Evolution vs. Creation

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go rilla

United States

#64956 Dec 12, 2012
The Dude wrote:
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And as already been pointed out, evolution makes no theological claims. Since we have pointed this out to you almost every time you've popped up here, the only possible conclusion can be that you're just another liar for Jesus.
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And yet amazingly, the ONLY people who are aware of this are "good Christians", since the scientific community is blissfully unaware of it.
So what "scientific alternative" do you propose? That's it - Goddidit with magic!
This is why no-one takes you seriously.
Where are all the intermediate species between not only man and ape but everything else. evolution lacks evidence period.

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#64957 Dec 12, 2012
Subduction Zone wrote:
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bohart, there have been thousands of successful experiments. The very first one was successful. Their goal was to show that amino acids could form under natural conditions and they found that to be so. Experiments have gotten more specific and more detailed as time goes on and the vast majority have been successful.
Not only that, but ten years ago, they found amino acids in deep space.

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn2558-am...

Hmmmmmm.....

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#64958 Dec 12, 2012
go rilla wrote:
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Where are all the intermediate species between not only man and ape but everything else. evolution lacks evidence period.
Your lack of education on the subject does not invalidate the presence of the evidence for evolution.

Get used to disappointment.

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#64959 Dec 12, 2012
Kong_ wrote:
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Not only that, but ten years ago, they found amino acids in deep space.
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn2558-am...
Hmmmmmm.....
Yep. Space or Earth, getting a source of amino acids is not all that difficult.

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#64960 Dec 12, 2012
go rilla wrote:
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Where are all the intermediate species between not only man and ape but everything else. evolution lacks evidence period.
You could not be more wrong. But then you do not know what evidence is in the first place.

There is undeniable literally mountains of scientific evidence that support the theory of evolution. There is no scientific evidence that supports creationism. That is a fact that anyone who understands evidence cannot deny.
Russell

Adelaide, Australia

#64961 Dec 12, 2012
Subduction Zone wrote:
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bohart, there have been thousands of successful experiments. The very first one was successful. Their goal was to show that amino acids could form under natural conditions and they found that to be so. Experiments have gotten more specific and more detailed as time goes on and the vast majority have been successful.
You are the sort to declare powered flight to be impossible since the very first rubber band powered glider that the Wright Brothers built was not powerful enough to carry a man.
Get a clue. Stop lying. Learn something.
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Subduction Zone wrote:
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bohart, there have been thousands of successful experiments. The very first one was successful. Their goal was to show that amino acids could form under natural conditions and they found that to be so. Experiments have gotten more specific and more detailed as time goes on and the vast majority have been successful.
You are the sort to declare powered flight to be impossible since the very first rubber band powered glider that the Wright Brothers built was not powerful enough to carry a man.
Get a clue. Stop lying. Learn something.
You, SubDud are the only PROVEN liar here!

Even Dawkins admits that the Miller experiment led to a dead end..

Got a trillion years?

Firstly, primordial soup experiments are run with pure materials under carefully controlled conditions, with purification steps of the desired products after every step, adjusted pH , temp etc, to maximum advantage, UV light applied at the right time to destroy the biologically problematic side products without damaging the desired material….

In other words HEAPS of investigator interference….

Secondly, enzyme expert Wolfenden showed in 1998 that a reaction absolutely essential in creating the building blocks of DNA and RNA would take 78 million years in water, but was speeded up 10 to the power 18 times by an enzyme:

This is orotidine 5-prime-monophostate decarboxtlase, responsible for de novo synthesis of uridine 5-prime-phosphate, an essential precursor of RNA and DNA, by carboxylating orotidine 5 prime-monophosphate (OMP) as everyone now knows.

In 2003 Wolfenden found another enzyme that exceeded even this VAST rate enhancement. A PHOSPHOTASE, which catalyses the hydrolysis of phosphate bonds, magnified the reaction rate by a thousand times more than the previous enzyme-&#61664; 10 to the power of 21 times.

Phosphotase allows reactions vital for cell signalling and regulation to take place in a hundredth of a second

WITHOUT PHOSPHATASE THESE ESSENTIAL REACTIONS WOULD TAKE a trillion years

That is a hundred times even the supposed evolutionary age of the Universe.


Cited in Lang L H, Without enzyme catalyst slowest known biological reaction takes 1 trillion years, Biocompare Life Science News, news.biocompare.com , 2003
Russell

Adelaide, Australia

#64963 Dec 12, 2012
Subduction Zone wrote:
Russell, now you are lying by making an obvious omission. You have been corrected on this before so once again you are either a complete idiot or a liar. Your choice.
Natural selection is only half of what drives evolution. It is Natural Selection and Random Variation that together drive evolution. The reason that Darwin is honored so much is that he was the first to put the two together.
And I knew you were a fool, but to believe in Noah's Ark is inexcusable. The Tooth Fairy is just as likely.
Expression of genetic variation via assortment of alleles IS NOT EVOLUTION

How do you classify the hyper-variable portions of antibodies?
Is that evolution right before our eyes?

Stick to your claim that you DONT KNOW and stop your idiocy

You who can NEVER accept when he is wrong...and who is continually wrong

AND furthermore-->
Without catalysts there would be no life at all

Natural selection only works if there is life

Proteins DO NOT SELF REPLICATE
AND prions do not count
Russell

Adelaide, Australia

#64964 Dec 12, 2012
Subduction Zone wrote:
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You could not be more wrong. But then you do not know what evidence is in the first place.
There is undeniable literally mountains of scientific evidence that support the theory of evolution. There is no scientific evidence that supports creationism. That is a fact that anyone who understands evidence cannot deny.
Mountains of improbability....
You are a desperate dolt
Russell

Adelaide, Australia

#64965 Dec 12, 2012
Kong_ wrote:
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Not only that, but ten years ago, they found amino acids in deep space.
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn2558-am...
Hmmmmmm.....
Kong
Don't be a fool
TheIndependentMa jority

Somerset, KY

#64966 Dec 12, 2012
Kong_ wrote:
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Not only that, but ten years ago, they found amino acids in deep space.
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn2558-am...
Hmmmmmm.....
Makes a probability of alien lifeforms existing seem NOT so (unscientifically) "out there" now doesn't it !

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#64967 Dec 12, 2012
Russell, please don't lie about what Dawkins said, you have no clue. Nor do you even know the purpose of the Miller/Urey experiments. How could they have led to a dead end if they were successful?

And Russell, no, you are the proven liar. When I asked you to quote the lie you were unable to. I requested it several times. You never found a falsehood in our debate where you used a lying sham of a PChemist.

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#64968 Dec 12, 2012
Russell wrote:
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Mountains of improbability....
You are a desperate dolt
And Russell continues to show that he is either a liar or an idiot. My bet is on both.

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#64969 Dec 12, 2012
Russell wrote:
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Expression of genetic variation via assortment of alleles IS NOT EVOLUTION
How do you classify the hyper-variable portions of antibodies?
Is that evolution right before our eyes?
Stick to your claim that you DONT KNOW and stop your idiocy
You who can NEVER accept when he is wrong...and who is continually wrong
AND furthermore-->
Without catalysts there would be no life at all
Natural selection only works if there is life
Proteins DO NOT SELF REPLICATE
AND prions do not count
That's right idiot. It is the change in those alleles under the forces of Natural Selection and Random Variation.

And you don't get to ask questions about subjects that are ten years in education over your head. You would not understand the answer. We have to dumb down the science to much for you to understand the answer to that particular question.

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#64970 Dec 12, 2012
TheIndependentMajority wrote:
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Makes a probability of alien lifeforms existing seem NOT so (unscientifically) "out there" now doesn't it !
I never thought otherwise.

But "E.T."? Unlikely.

More likely (in the short term), mold or algae. Or similar fossils of either.

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#64971 Dec 12, 2012
Russell wrote:
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Kong
Don't be a fool
I'm not.

YOU, however.....

Amino acids, water, methane, alcohol, and various organic compounds HAVE been detected in deep space.

Sorry if it's inconvenient for your shallow theological beliefs.
TheIndependentMa jority

Somerset, KY

#64972 Dec 12, 2012
Russell wrote:
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You, SubDud are the only PROVEN liar here!
Even Dawkins admits that the Miller experiment led to a dead end..
Got a trillion years?
Firstly, primordial soup experiments are run with pure materials under carefully controlled conditions, with purification steps of the desired products after every step, adjusted pH , temp etc, to maximum advantage, UV light applied at the right time to destroy the biologically problematic side products without damaging the desired material….
In other words HEAPS of investigator interference….
Secondly, enzyme expert Wolfenden showed in 1998 that a reaction absolutely essential in creating the building blocks of DNA and RNA would take 78 million years in water, but was speeded up 10 to the power 18 times by an enzyme:
This is orotidine 5-prime-monophostate decarboxtlase, responsible for de novo synthesis of uridine 5-prime-phosphate, an essential precursor of RNA and DNA, by carboxylating orotidine 5 prime-monophosphate (OMP) as everyone now knows.
In 2003 Wolfenden found another enzyme that exceeded even this VAST rate enhancement. A PHOSPHOTASE, which catalyses the hydrolysis of phosphate bonds, magnified the reaction rate by a thousand times more than the previous enzyme-&#61664; 10 to the power of 21 times.
Phosphotase allows reactions vital for cell signalling and regulation to take place in a hundredth of a second
WITHOUT PHOSPHATASE THESE ESSENTIAL REACTIONS WOULD TAKE a trillion years
That is a hundred times even the supposed evolutionary age of the Universe.
Cited in Lang L H, Without enzyme catalyst slowest known biological reaction takes 1 trillion years, Biocompare Life Science News, news.biocompare.com , 2003
But-- what's to say (or disprove) that such enzymes don't exist elsewhere, in different structural strengths, already?
TheIndependentMa jority

Somerset, KY

#64973 Dec 12, 2012
Kong_ wrote:
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I never thought otherwise.
But "E.T."? Unlikely.
More likely (in the short term), mold or algae. Or similar fossils of either.
In this galaxy, in solid molecular form, it would be pretty surpising.

But in meta physical form...hmmm..

Since: Nov 12

Milk River, Canada

#64974 Dec 12, 2012
ChristineM wrote:
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ps Here is a small (very small) mRNA strand code for Ribonuclonoc acid – AHGACGGAGCYYCGFAGUUAG
BTW are you using H for dihydrouridine and F for pseudouridine? And what does the Y stand for? Another from of modified uridine?
Russell

Adelaide, Australia

#64975 Dec 12, 2012
Kong_ wrote:
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I'm not.
YOU, however.....
Amino acids, water, methane, alcohol, and various organic compounds HAVE been detected in deep space.
Sorry if it's inconvenient for your shallow theological beliefs.
Could they perchance have been launched into space FROM earth when that naughty great asteroid hit and knocked off all the dinosaurs?????

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#64976 Dec 12, 2012
Russell wrote:
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Could they perchance have been launched into space FROM earth when that naughty great asteroid hit and knocked off all the dinosaurs?????
No.

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