Evolution vs. Creation

[Charles Idemi]

Drew Smith wrote:

The existence of *some* means that mathematics must be learned as a language just like ordinary spoken languages are learned.
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No. With physics and chemistry, you are learning facts and theories about the real world. You may be learning some terminology, but that terminology is in an existing language (such as English or French or German).
With mathematics, you are not learning facts and theories about the real world. You are learning symbols and the grammar rules to manipulate them. Just as with learning any other language.

You are not getting the fact. All courses are man made. Though all the things we are studying are already there, whether visible or invisible. Physics and Chemistry needs Mathematics to carry out its physical scientific operations effectively, like chemistry. Maths is important to majority of the world languages.

[Aura Mytha]

Charles Idemi wrote:

<quoted text> You are not getting the fact. All courses are man made. Though all the things we are studying are already there, whether visible or invisible. Physics and Chemistry needs Mathematics to carry out its physical scientific operations effectively, like chemistry. Maths is important to majority of the world languages.

Math is needed to express amounts, so what?

[Charles Idemi]

Drew Smith wrote:

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No. Chemistry and physics discover new information about the real world, because they use the scientific method.
Mathematics does not, because it doesn't.

No!

If there is no single Mathematics in Chemistry and in Physics. They are like a "storm in the tea cup".
If there is no differentiation, calculus, integration, permutation, combinations and many Mathematical science in physics. Physics, would have been a semi science.

[Charles Idemi]

Drew Smith wrote:

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No. Chemistry and physics discover new information about the real world, because they use the scientific method.
Mathematics does not, because it doesn't.

Lastly, no subject is more important than the other. Their use have enhanced the world, and many more are yet to come...

[Charles Idemi]

Drew Smith wrote:

The existence of *some* means that mathematics must be learned as a language just like ordinary spoken languages are learned.
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No. With physics and chemistry, you are learning facts and theories about the real world. You may be learning some terminology, but that terminology is in an existing language (such as English or French or German).
With mathematics, you are not learning facts and theories about the real world. You are learning symbols and the grammar rules to manipulate them. Just as with learning any other language.

No.
Mathematics, just like every other subjects, except the languages( English, German, French etc), are taught world wide. The languages are only taught in the universities and some special schools.

[Charles Idemi]

Drew Smith wrote:

The existence of *some* means that mathematics must be learned as a language just like ordinary spoken languages are learned.
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No. With physics and chemistry, you are learning facts and theories about the real world. You may be learning some terminology, but that terminology is in an existing language (such as English or French or German).
With mathematics, you are not learning facts and theories about the real world. You are learning symbols and the grammar rules to manipulate them. Just as with learning any other language.

This is also applicable to physics, chemistry. You must learn it, before you can become perfect in it. So, it is a type of language.

[Charles Idemi]

Drew Smith wrote:

The point is, the scientific method does not *require* mathematics in order to work. It requires only observing, creating a hypothesis, and testing the hypothesis. Notice that none of that requires mathematics.
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You'd have to ask the instructor who is grading the test. Otherwise, there is no way to know.

Remove all the Mathematics in Physics and Chemistry and see what you will get. Mathematics, is an integral part of the sciences, Social and Management sciences. Without Maths, they are in-complete.

[superwilly]

Charles Idemi wrote:

<quoted text> No!
If there is no single Mathematics in Chemistry and in Physics. They are like a "storm in the tea cup".
If there is no differentiation, calculus, integration, permutation, combinations and many Mathematical science in physics. Physics, would have been a semi science.

I hope you do not make your living as a academic, teaching students.

If you are as ill prepared in mathematics or whatever your discipline is, as you are in the understanding and use of logic and the use of english to get your point across, you are ill prepared for your position.

[Charles Idemi]

Drew Smith wrote:

What do you mean by "in the same faculty"?
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In the United States, they aren't called "faculties". They are called "colleges".
As I have already pointed out, in many U.S. universities, mathematics is under "sciences and mathematics", which tells us that they recognize that mathematics itself is not a science.
Mathematics and world languages (natural languages) are not usually grouped together as a single "College of Languages" because the learning methods are different (for instance, learning a natural language also involves learning something about the culture of the place it is spoken).
But that doesn't change the fact that mathematics is a language. It is a set of symbols with rules to combine them. It doesn't use the scientific method. It is not a science.

Wait a minute!
My country and yours, are not the same. My country and some other countries, see Maths as science, but in yours, no. This brings us to the Economics term, "choice".

[Charles Idemi]

Drew Smith wrote:

No,*you* said that philosophy was a *required* course at universities, and I pointed out your error.
You still won't admit to that error. Why is that? Do I need to link to the posting in which you made your error?
Since you won't admit to your error, I'll provide the direct link to it:
http://www.topix.com/forum/news/evolution/T9Q ...
Now, in case you're afraid to follow that link, I'll quote directly from it: "All disciplines, take philosophy in the first or second year, why?"
In that quote, did you limit your statement to only some countries? Yes or no?(The answer is obvious. And you won't admit your error.)
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My immediate response to your posting (the one in which you said "All disciplines, take philosophy in the first or second year, why?"
was "No, they don't.".
So what do you mean by "you never initially said no"?
In your quote, did you limit your statement to only some countries? Yes or no?(The answer is obvious. And you won't admit your error.)

True, you said no to my comments. But you never said that philosophy is taken as a "core" subject in other countries. You only mentioned "elective". You are also wrong.

[Charles Idemi]

Drew Smith wrote:

Sciences, such as physics and chemistry, use the scientific method to discover information about the real world.
Languages, such as mathematics and the natural languages (such as English) manipulate a vocabulary of symbols using a set of rules (a grammar).
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Where in what I wrote above did I say that "Mathematics and English are not important"? Please point to that in my words.

Your comments is pointing to that direction. You are insulting Mathematics and other languages, in favour of Physics and Chemistry, when you know that, all of them are man made and are useful to mankind. Maths is not a language.
All courses, are just a type of language( communication).

[Charles Idemi]

Drew Smith wrote:

If they have no words for numbers, then they can't count or do basic mathematical operations.
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No, those are not forms of mathematics. If I give you some wheat and in exchange you give me some fish, we didn't use mathematics to accomplish that.

Not in this generation any more. All nations are now using currencies or coins, whether local or international. So, the reality, is that, Mathematical concept, like buying and selling, are done daily.

[Charles Idemi]

Charles Idemi wrote:

<quoted text> In most universities and their faculties, Mathematics is under the sciences why English( a language) is under the faculty.

Gush!
Incomplete:
I meant that, English are under the faculty of Arts.

[Charles Idemi]

Charles Idemi wrote:

<quoted text> The department of English in many universities are under the faculty of Israel

I meant:
Faculty of Arts.

[Charles Idemi]

anonymous wrote:

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That's it. the plug's pulled and I'm turning off the drip.

Lol.
Just an error.

[Charles Idemi]

The Dude wrote:

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And here we were thinking that the English owned it.
:-/

Ofcourse they owned it.
It was an error on my part. Sorry.

[Charles Idemi]

Dogen wrote:

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???
In English please.

English, which every one knows as a language, is under the faculty of Arts.

[Charles Idemi]

Aura Mytha wrote:

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Math is needed to express amounts, so what?

Why is Mathematics compulsory at basic or " o" level?
Before one can become an engineer or any scientist and social scientist, he or she needs Mathematics, why?

[Charles Idemi]

superwilly wrote:

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I hope you do not make your living as a academic, teaching students.
If you are as ill prepared in mathematics or whatever your discipline is, as you are in the understanding and use of logic and the use of english to get your point across, you are ill prepared for your position.

Are you insulting your self?
I am a teacher and love doing the job. Mathematics, Economics, Geography, Management sciences and Computer studies are some of my favourites. Boy, what do you do for a living?

[christ]

the fact that we don't know is just sick and wrong..