Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 222220 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

Join the discussion below, or Read more at Best of New Orleans.

OLD HAPPY

Lubbock, TX

#52999 Oct 16, 2012
ToManyLaws wrote:
<quoted text>
Who said "let there be light"??? Oh and who created the being that said let there be light? Oh and etc etc etc..
Our Creator is a Spirit and in the beginning he moved upon the face of the deep and water was first created, then his voice said Let there be light and there was light. This is The beginning of all things and how it happened, we do not read of any other creator or any other beginning. We read that God is like a father and he so loved the world that he sent his only begotten Son to give us everlasting life and this is the purpose for our being here now, to choose this day who we will serve and where we will spend eternity. There is a place that is prepared for the spirit of sin which is the devil and his angels and it is a bottomless pit where the fire is never quenched. God is not willing that anyone should perish and go to that awfull place and depart from him; and every person will be judged from what is in their heart and if they have rejected the truth that is in the word of God and chose the lie of the devil. Believe in Jesus and you shall be saved.

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#53000 Oct 16, 2012
OLD HAPPY wrote:
<quoted text>Our Creator is a Spirit and in the beginning he moved upon the face of the deep and water was first created, then his voice said Let there be light and there was light. This is The beginning of all things and how it happened, we do not read of any other creator or any other beginning. We read that God is like a father and he so loved the world that he sent his only begotten Son to give us everlasting life and this is the purpose for our being here now, to choose this day who we will serve and where we will spend eternity. There is a place that is prepared for the spirit of sin which is the devil and his angels and it is a bottomless pit where the fire is never quenched. God is not willing that anyone should perish and go to that awfull place and depart from him; and every person will be judged from what is in their heart and if they have rejected the truth that is in the word of God and chose the lie of the devil. Believe in Jesus and you shall be saved.
Silly.

We can read of hundreds, if not thousands, of other Creators and other beginnings.
anonymous

Chagrin Falls, OH

#53001 Oct 16, 2012
wolverine wrote:
All Of The Intellectual Bloviators Continue To Set Up Believers Of God, With A Straw Man. God Cannot Be Defined Or Explain Through Scientific Methods, Yet That What The Bloviators Insist You Do For Them.
Scientific Method Is Not The End All Authority On Anything, And Lacks The Capability To Understand Many Things.
In Reality, It Is Jealousy, That Empowers Them, They Cannot Come To Grips With The Fact That They Were Not Sent A Personal Invitation To The Event, And Will Demean And Insult Those Who Seem To Have Been.
See, this is where the hypocrisy begins.

1. How do you explain "God"? Certainly not with empirical evidence. Certainly not through a common shared private experience experience among believers.

2. Assuming that there IS some private event, why shouldn't people be indignant? For no conceivable reason, your "God" is rejecting those who engage in rational behavior in favor of those who trust in "voices in their head" delusions. Many people consider that a sign of mental instability or pathological lying.

Now I'll be the first to place a very real value in the dreams. But you have to be hard wired to play them back in context. Once again, this is a personal theory so I can't provide evidence any more than you can. Nomadic peoples from pre-urban times are far better suited to digest complex problems in their sleep. Urban, socially evolved people are far more interested in instant gratification and really have no awareness as to what is internal and what is a path laid out by external elements.

What can you say to convince me that you're not being duped by the shaman or the mass-media or the government in an ugly big-brother world of aristocrats, propaganda/policy wonks, and corporations in a perpetual state of blind ambition?

The key here is "the message". With all of the different religions out there, why should I consider your faith any better than the one they're selling over at Joe's Diner? This is where I really am not going to feel the slightest guilt at your accusations. What do Christians offer me? I believe it goes something like: "If you work hard for the boss man, keep your mouth shut and raise a large family of minimum wage workers without whining, and give a lot of your money to the shaman, when you DIE, YOU will go to HEAVEN!"

You just can't see how silly that sounds! Obviously, being part of the herd is FAR more important to you than it is to us. So be it. But in this forum, you're addressing us non-believers. We define respect quite differently than you do.

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#53002 Oct 16, 2012
Since the beginning of history, which is defined by the invention of writing around 6000 years ago by the Sumerians, there have been over ten thousand mythological "gods", 6329 of which can be considered deities. Why should this one deity be held against evolution, with no factual evidence to be had? Evolution is a scientific study. We study it. When I the last time you had an opportunity to study god? You can't study something that isn't there.

“I am Sisyphus”

Since: Nov 07

Location hidden

#53003 Oct 16, 2012
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> I meant:
Faculty of Arts.

Oh, you mean Liberal Arts.

“I am Sisyphus”

Since: Nov 07

Location hidden

#53004 Oct 16, 2012
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Ofcourse they owned it.
It was an error on my part. Sorry.

Please get an English dictionary and look up the word "owned".

“I am Sisyphus”

Since: Nov 07

Location hidden

#53005 Oct 16, 2012
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> English, which every one knows as a language, is under the faculty of Arts.

Maybe "faculty of Arts" means something in your country. In colleges in the U.S. English is its own department. Maybe you study it under Language, or Liberal Arts or "faculty of Arts" (whatever that is).

“I am Sisyphus”

Since: Nov 07

Location hidden

#53006 Oct 16, 2012
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Why is Mathematics compulsory at basic or " o" level?
Before one can become an engineer or any scientist and social scientist, he or she needs Mathematics, why?

Math is the language of those fields. It is how information is communicated.
Anonymous

UK

#53007 Oct 16, 2012
Dogen wrote:
<quoted text>
HA ha Ha hA HA ha Ha hA HA ha Ha hA HA ha Ha hA HA ha Ha hA.
Now England is a linguistic squid.
I would like to put Charles up against Ryan from the other forum for an undisputed, patron saint of Stupid, dual-to-the-death, cage match. We could get Dunning and Kruger to officiate it.
English, the biggest language the world has ever known.
German, the smallest language of any major European nation, that no obe in the world speaks, or would ever want or need to speak, game over

“I am Sisyphus”

Since: Nov 07

Location hidden

#53008 Oct 16, 2012
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Are you insulting your self?
I am a teacher and love doing the job. Mathematics, Economics, Geography, Management sciences and Computer studies are some of my favourites. Boy, what do you do for a living?

Sorry, but you are not knowledgeable enough to teach at a competitive kindergarten in the U.S. And the U.S. SUCKS at education.

Maybe you are smarter in your native language.

“I am Sisyphus”

Since: Nov 07

Location hidden

#53009 Oct 16, 2012
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> He can never say no to the truth.
The truth can never be denied.


Dogen wrote:
<quoted text>
I love it that you do not know when you are being mocked.

“I am Sisyphus”

Since: Nov 07

Location hidden

#53010 Oct 16, 2012
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Say that again, but this time in English.

That was English. Not surprising that you do not recognize it.

At least you constructed a functional sentence this time. You even used a comma correctly. Amazing.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#53011 Oct 16, 2012
Brian_G wrote:
Creation and evolution, let's keep the order straight. One causes the other.
Boy, there's just no topic you can't talk crud on is there?

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#53012 Oct 16, 2012
Dogen wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry, but you are not knowledgeable enough to teach at a competitive kindergarten in the U.S. And the U.S. SUCKS at education.
Maybe you are smarter in your native language.
I presume you really have a problem...

“Waytogo”

Since: Oct 09

Location hidden

#53013 Oct 16, 2012
OLD HAPPY wrote:
<quoted text>Our Creator is a Spirit and in the beginning he moved upon the face of the deep and water was first created, then his voice said Let there be light and there was light. This is The beginning of all things and how it happened, we do not read of any other creator or any other beginning. We read that God is like a father and he so loved the world that he sent his only begotten Son to give us everlasting life and this is the purpose for our being here now, to choose this day who we will serve and where we will spend eternity. There is a place that is prepared for the spirit of sin which is the devil and his angels and it is a bottomless pit where the fire is never quenched. God is not willing that anyone should perish and go to that awfull place and depart from him; and every person will be judged from what is in their heart and if they have rejected the truth that is in the word of God and chose the lie of the devil. Believe in Jesus and you shall be saved.
No such being..Sorry no facts and no proof...The buybull and your religion are just hate filled bigoted anti-fact cults.

“you must not give faith”

Since: Jul 12

UK

#53014 Oct 16, 2012
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Don't be bored, Frank.
Two parrellel lines can never meet, unless a transverse line(agreement) is drawn...
I am bored no don't respond with anything you just state what you believe and leave it at that. So a guess this is over (as if it ever began).
New challenger to the ring...

"I have noticed that Charles and HTS haven't provided any evidence for creation (as far as I can see I been distracted at late so if you have give me the post numbers) and as well as responses to counter argument’s (same as before post numbers please) so I've decided to stop trying to defend evolution for a short while and instead attack Christian creation, my attack divided into three categories; scientific empirical things that creation cannot take into account for, philosophical nonempirical issues that are raised by Christian creation and hybrids empirical data that raises nonempirical issues (I know it may not be very clear but it should be a bit clearer after I have gotten into some examples).

Scientific
The nerve going from the brain to the voice box goes past the heart to get the voice box which is strange because the distance between the two is very small at least a few inches and humans and a few feet in giraffes. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recurrentlarynge... . This is important as God knows how much “wiring” it needs so why the waste? It just adds to be likelihood of problems occurring like cancer spreading into the nerve this is not the sort of thing one should expect from God.

Philosophical
How did things go wrong in the Garden of Eden the first place? Surely if God is perfect then one would expect nothing but perfection in what it creates, or at least follow its idea of perfection and God considers doubt and temptation to disobey a bad thing so why did the temptation exist?

Hybrid Neanderthal burial grounds, Neanderthals were a different species than modern man but more importantly the way the burial grounds were set out in its religious like way showing the universe wasn't just for us because there were other sentient creatures. http://news.discovery.com/history/neanderthal... round-afterlife-11 0420.html Of course that assumes God is good and if it were not so ethical and really did make universe with us in mind then that would mean he would have created two sentient species just to destroy one them, let's not even go into the size of the universe the immensity of it shows how silly it is to say it was made for us this does the job brilliantly better even, besides we have to make up for lost time that should in an ideal world have been spent mourning the loss of our fellow travellers, trying to find out what the like and how they ended."
Lets see what you can do.

“Shoot First, Think Never”

Since: Jun 09

Elk Grove

#53015 Oct 16, 2012
NEW SCIENTIFIC DISCOVERIES PROVE DARWIN WAS WRONG





Researchers in genetics and embryology are learning something new every day. The more they learn, the more obvious it becomes that it is impossible for humans to have evolved from apes.



We wish to reiterate and emphasize that this website will inform you about the latest scientific discoveries based on peer reviewed research papers published in the most respected scientific journals.



For purposes of clarity and ease of writing, on this website, we will use the term "Darwin Busters" to refer to scientific evidence that strongly contradict "ape to human evolution" theory.



Since 2001, many scientists conducting research in genetics and embryology have discovered more than just a few Darwin Busters.



Here are four Darwin Busters:



Darwin Buster One: Darwinians have been dead wrong whenever they have claimed that the "genetic matter of ape and humans is 98% identical." The ape and human chromosomes are remarkably divergent and too different for "ape to human evolution" theory to adequately explain. For example, the human Y chromosome has twice as many genes as the chimpanzee Y chromosome and the chromosome structures are not at all similar.

http://darwinconspiracy.com/

“Shoot First, Think Never”

Since: Jun 09

Elk Grove

#53016 Oct 16, 2012
Now zombie DNA is a remarkable match to human...

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#53017 Oct 16, 2012
Dogen wrote:
<quoted text>
Math is the language of those fields. It is how information is communicated.
You didnot address the comments.
anonymous

Chagrin Falls, OH

#53018 Oct 16, 2012
Knightmare wrote:
NEW SCIENTIFIC DISCOVERIES PROVE DARWIN WAS WRONG
Researchers in genetics and embryology are learning something new every day. The more they learn, the more obvious it becomes that it is impossible for humans to have evolved from apes.
We wish to reiterate and emphasize that this website will inform you about the latest scientific discoveries based on peer reviewed research papers published in the most respected scientific journals.
For purposes of clarity and ease of writing, on this website, we will use the term "Darwin Busters" to refer to scientific evidence that strongly contradict "ape to human evolution" theory.
Since 2001, many scientists conducting research in genetics and embryology have discovered more than just a few Darwin Busters.
Here are four Darwin Busters:
Darwin Buster One: Darwinians have been dead wrong whenever they have claimed that the "genetic matter of ape and humans is 98% identical." The ape and human chromosomes are remarkably divergent and too different for "ape to human evolution" theory to adequately explain. For example, the human Y chromosome has twice as many genes as the chimpanzee Y chromosome and the chromosome structures are not at all similar.
http://darwinconspiracy.com/
So... instead of refusing to provide links, you're directing us to a site with no links.

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