Evolution vs. Creation

There are 20 comments on the Jan 6, 2011, Best of New Orleans story titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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#52471 Oct 12, 2012
Drew Smith wrote:
When, in this thread, you first made your assertion about philosophy, did you say that you were limiting your claim to certain countries?
Yes or no?
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Philosophy courses are taken by many students in many different countries. I never said otherwise.
Now, back to my question to you. When, in this thread, you first made your assertion about philosophy, did you say that you were limiting your claim to certain countries?
Yes or no?
You initially said that, philosophy are not taken in many nations. You didn't say the other wise. Admit your and lets move on.

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#52472 Oct 12, 2012
Langoliers wrote:
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They are not my numbers bone head I don't do census.
A survey published in the 2005 Encyclopedia Britannica stated that 2.3% of the world's population consists of individuals who profess "atheism, skepticism, disbelief, or irreligion, including the militantly antireligious." In regards to the 2.3% figure just mentioned, the 2005 survey cited by Encyclopedia Britannica survey did not include Buddhist in regards to the 2.3% figure and Buddhism can be theistic or atheistic."
Wikipedia:
"Another survey attributed to Britannica shows the population of atheists at around 2.4% of the world's population.[citation needed] It is difficult to determine whether atheism is growing or not"
Wikipedia :
"2005 poll by AP/Ipsos surveyed ten countries. Of the developed nations, people in the United States were most sure of the existence of God or a higher power (2% atheist, 4% agnostic)"
Wikipedia :
"According to one estimate, atheists make up about 2.3% of the world's population"
"In 2007, a Pew Forum survey found that the atheist population in the United States was 1.6% of the American population."
Yup. 1.6%. LOL
1,6%. 1.6%. 1.6%. 1.6%. 1.6%
Of course they are your numbers. At least they are the number that you are trying to use. And they are wrong. My survey is seven years newer. I will post them for you again. First the question:

"Irrespective of whether you attend a place of worship or not, would you say you are a religious person, not a religious person or a convinced atheist?"

That question gives theists a boost in numbers since you don't have to be a church goer to call your self "a religious person".

The results:

"It shows that on average 59% of the world said that they think of themselves as religious, whereas 23% think of themselves as not religious and 13% think of themselves as convinced atheists. Naturally there are enormous variations from country to country."

That is 13% atheist and another 23% not religious. Ow, it must hurt to be you.

http://www.secularism.org.uk/news/2012/08/num...

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#52474 Oct 12, 2012
http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/on-fai...
Religiosity is on the decline in the U.S. and atheism is on the rise, according to a new worldwide poll.

The poll, called “The Global Index of Religiosity and Atheism,” found that the number of Americans who say they are “religious” dropped from 73 percent in 2005 (the last time the poll was conducted) to 60 percent.At the same time, the number of Americans who say they are atheists rose, from 1 percent to 5 percent.

The poll was conducted by WIN-Gallup International and is based on interviews with 50,000 people from 57 countries and five continents. Participants were asked,“Irrespective of whether you attend a place of worship or not, would you say you are a religious person, not a religious person, or a convinced atheist?”...

Other findings from the poll include:

— Besides Vietnam, Ireland had the greatest change in religiosity, down from 69 percent to 47 percent.

— China has the most “convinced atheists,” at 47 percent, followed by Japan (31 percent), Czech Republic (30 percent) and France (29 percent)

— The most religious countries are in Africa (Ghana, Nigeria, Kenya), South America (Brazil, Peru) and Eastern Europe (Macedonia, Romania, Armenia).

— Countries with the same percentage of atheists as the U.S. are Poland, Moldova and Saudi Arabia.
This is the same sort of poll as you keep quoting, Langoliers. Except it was taken this year. Yours was taken seven years ago.

The number of atheists is soaring world wide. Don't worry, we don't persecute religious fools like theists used to persecute atheists.

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#52476 Oct 12, 2012
Drew Smith wrote:
None of which makes mathematics itself a "science".
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Which *still* doesn't make mathematics itself a "science".
If you can't build a house without a hammer, does that mean that hammers are houses?
Before any house or building can stand, they must measure( a form of Math) the land.
Hectares, scales, metric systems, acres etc are all forms of Mathematics.

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#52477 Oct 12, 2012
Drew Smith wrote:
None of which makes mathematics itself a "science".
<quoted text>
Which *still* doesn't make mathematics itself a "science".
If you can't build a house without a hammer, does that mean that hammers are houses?
This and many more proves that, Mathematics is a science.
DarWINNING

Columbus, OH

#52479 Oct 12, 2012
Even evolution is still a form of creationism..the only thing that truly changes are the labels.

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#52480 Oct 12, 2012
Drew Smith wrote:
How are any of those models "scientific"? Do they use the scientific method? Yes or no?
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Nope. Just because a science uses mathematics as one of its tools, does not mean that mathematics itself is a science. Mathematics is not a science. It does not use the scientific method.
Period.
(As already pointed out to you, all sciences use language as a tool, but you aren't claiming that language is a science, are you?)
Wrong, wrong and wrong.
Mathematics is a science, it is born with man. It never originated from a particular unlike language.

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#52481 Oct 12, 2012
Langoliers wrote:
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Can't stand it can you!
Pointing out the percentage of atheist in your church doesn't mean anything the percentage of the world population that is Atheist is 2.3%.
In the U.S. 1.6%
You started out with 100% of the world population now you have just 2.3%
97.7% have left your clan and its burning a hole right through you. LOL
Maybe you and all your friend can each do a pretend world census to help cover up the facts.
My listed numbers are from official census. Yours are slanted and not official.
2.3%. 1.6% 2.3%. 1.6%. 2.3%. 1.6%
Nope, the poll I site is just as official as the one that you site. That is why it was reported by so many sources. Do you want to see another one that used that source? Though in the U.S. it is pretty hard to find a newspaper with more prestige than the Washington Post, but here goes:

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Global-News/20...

Oh, sweet Irony!! The Christian Science Monitor:

Atheism is on the rise in the United States and elsewhere while religiosity is declining, according to a new worldwide poll.“The Global Index of Religiosity and Atheism,” conducted by WIN-Gallup International headquartered in Switzerland, found that the number of Americans who say they are “religious” dropped from 73 percent in 2005 – when the poll was last conducted – to 60 percent. Those who said they were “convinced” atheists rose from 1 to 5 percent. And 33 percent of the people polled said that they don’t consider themselves as a “religious person."

Ryan Cragun, a University of Tampa sociologist of religion, told the “Religion News Services” he questions whether the number of atheists in the United States really grew as the poll suggested. Dr. Cragun suggests that people may just be more comfortable identifying themselves as atheist.

That view seems consistent with a study conducted by the Pew Research Center’s Forum on Religion & Public Life in 2009 showing that 5 percent of Americans at that time said they did not believe in God or a universal spirit, but only 24 percent of the nonbelievers actually called themselves atheists.

RELATED: Are you an atheist? Take our quiz!

The new poll is based on interviews (face-to-face, by telephone or online varying from country to country) with more than 50,000 people from 57 countries. The participants were asked this question:“Irrespective of whether you attend a place of worship or not, would you say you are a religious person, not a religious person, or a convinced atheist?”

America remains way down the list of countries for self-reported atheism. China tops that list with 47 percent “convinced atheists,” followed by Japan (31 percent), the Czech Republic (30 percent), France (29 percent), and South Korea (15 percent).

Religious Ghana

According to the poll, the following are the top ten religious countries: Ghana (96 percent of the participants that they are religious), Nigeria (93 percent), Armenia (92 percent), Fiji (92 percent), Macedonia (90 percent), Romania (89 percent), Iraq (88 percent), Kenya (88 percent), Peru (86 percent), and Brazil (85 percent).

The least religious nations, according to the poll, are China (14 percent saying they are religious), Japan (16 percent), Czech Republic (20 percent), Turkey (23 percent), Sweden (29 percent), Vietnam (30 percent), Australia (37 percent), France (37 percent), Hong Kong (38 percent) and Austria (42 percent)."

Once again, ow. It must suck to be you.

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#52482 Oct 12, 2012
Drew Smith wrote:
How are any of those models "scientific"? Do they use the scientific method? Yes or no?
<quoted text>
Nope. Just because a science uses mathematics as one of its tools, does not mean that mathematics itself is a science. Mathematics is not a science. It does not use the scientific method.
Period.
(As already pointed out to you, all sciences use language as a tool, but you aren't claiming that language is a science, are you?)
Science can never be called science completely, without the use of Mathematics. That is why Mathematics is a science.

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#52483 Oct 12, 2012
Drew Smith wrote:
If math can function without the sciences, then math itself is not a science.
<quoted text>
Nobody here claimed that science didn't use mathematics as one of its tools.
But the tools used by science are not automatically sciences themselves.
Is a hammer a type of house? Yes or no?
Since science can not function without Mathematics, Mathematics is as important as science...

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#52484 Oct 12, 2012
I liked the Christian Science Monitor's explanation for why the number of atheists is growing so much. The main reason they think is due to people who are atheist losing their fear to admit that they are atheist. In most countries in the world there has been a history of oppression of atheists. That oppression has been dropping and people are not as afraid of reprisals as they were in the past.

Langoliers is going nuts since this newer more precise study shows that his numbers no longer apply.

Maybe I can put it in terms that he will understand:

Langoliers, when the election is held this fall should we use the four year old poll numbers that show who the American people want for President or the brand new ones we will be getting in November?

“Don't be mad at me.”

Since: Jan 11

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#52485 Oct 12, 2012
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Science can never be called science completely, without the use of Mathematics. That is why Mathematics is a science.
Mathematics is more a language. It is the language of science. It isn't a science itself.

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#52486 Oct 12, 2012
Drew Smith wrote:
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Nope. Human-created laws and theories are abstractions. They are mental models. They are not reality itself.
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That's a meaningless statement. Economies existed long before anyone created laws or theories to describe them.
You don't know what you are talking about. Economics laws, theories and principles, are practical. The law of demand, supply are practical. We see them daily.

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#52487 Oct 12, 2012
Dogen wrote:
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Oh, I know some doctors who consult me on figuring percentages.
One of the basis of medicine or medical professions, is Mathematics.

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#52488 Oct 12, 2012
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>Nope, the poll I site is just as official as the one that you site. That is why it was reported by so many sources. Do you

Once again, ow. It must suck to be you.
Oh ya 30 atheist post that as a source so it must be real!

Encyclopedia Britannica kind of trust worthy. More then lying atheist.

A survey published in the 2005 Encyclopedia Britannica stated that 2.3% of the world's population consists of individuals who profess "atheism, skepticism, disbelief, or irreligion, including the militantly antireligious." In regards to the 2.3% figure just mentioned, the 2005 survey cited by Encyclopedia Britannica survey did not include Buddhist in regards to the 2.3% figure and Buddhism can be theistic or atheistic."

Wikipedia:

"Another survey attributed to Britannica shows the population of atheists at around 2.4% of the world's population.[citation needed] It is difficult to determine whether atheism is growing or not"

Wikipedia :

"2005 poll by AP/Ipsos surveyed ten countries. Of the developed nations, people in the United States were most sure of the existence of God or a higher power (2% atheist, 4% agnostic)"

Wikipedia :

"According to one estimate, atheists make up about 2.3% of the world's population"

"In 2007, a Pew Forum survey found that the atheist population in the United States was 1.6% of the American population."

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#52489 Oct 12, 2012
Your sources are old and out of date.

My poll is the current and up to date one.

Did you not see that even the Christian Science Monitor accepted that poll?

Poor Langy, it must suck to be you.

Pick anyone you want:

https://www.google.com/search...

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#52490 Oct 12, 2012
The Dude wrote:
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I gave you a complete scientific experiment without reference to math.
And i am telling you that, Physics, Chemistry, etc can never be as functional, when the use of Mathematics is out.

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#52491 Oct 12, 2012
The Dude wrote:
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Yes, we find language to be important. That still doesn't make them sciences.
Point of correction:
Mathematics is not language. It is in-built in us all. Languages has or have origins from a particular place or location.
KJV

United States

#52492 Oct 12, 2012
Subduction Zone wrote:
Your sources are old and out of date.

My poll is the current and up to date one.

Did you not see that even the Christian Science Monitor accepted that poll?

Poor Langy, it must suck to be you.

Pick anyone you want:

https://www.google.com/search...
"Global atheism is shrinking and demographic changes in the United States and the world are expected to shrink the influence of American secularism.
In 2012, Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary reported that globally every day there are 800 less atheists per day, 1,100 less non-religious (agnostic) people per day and 83,000 more people professing to be Christians per day.
In 2011, the American Spectator declared concerning research published in the International Bulletin of

Missionary Research:
The report estimates about 80,000 new Christians every day, 79,000 new Muslims every day, and 300 fewer atheists every day. These atheists are presumably disproportionately represented in the West, while religion is thriving in the Global South, where charismatic Christianity is exploding."

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#52493 Oct 12, 2012
The Dude wrote:
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I demonstrated otherwise.
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It is integral to biology. Ethics is irrelevant to the validity of science.
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Trees don't care about economics and were around long before humans invented the concept.
Physics, Chemistry, evolution and other subjects, are all man made inventions. Economics is the backbone of any nation. Without it, there would be no updated research and technology.

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