Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 168846 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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“Is that all you've got?”

Since: Jun 10

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#51604 Oct 10, 2012
Drew Smith wrote:
Mathematics is not a science. It does not use the scientific method.
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So? That wasn't the issue.
No?

“Is that all you've got?”

Since: Jun 10

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#51605 Oct 10, 2012
xD
bohart

Newport, TN

#51606 Oct 10, 2012
The Dude wrote:
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Gee bo, what a serious case of projection ya got goin' on thar.
Ahh the Dude, always rushing to the defense of his religion answering every post whether it was to him or not. A pure Pharisee of the evolutionist puddle goo crowd attempting to stamp out the heresy of oppostion to his beloved goo.
MIDutch

Waterford, MI

#51607 Oct 10, 2012
bohart wrote:
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Ahh the Dude, always rushing to the defense of his religion answering every post whether it was to him or not.
This is an open internet forum.

Anyone can respond to anyone else's post, whether they are the addressee or not. Heck, YOU'VE done it plenty of times.
bohart wrote:
<quoted text>A pure Pharisee of the evolutionist puddle goo crowd attempting to stamp out the heresy of oppostion to his beloved goo.
150+ years after it's introduction, there is NO, repeat, NO scientific opposition to the Theory of Evolution.

The ONLY people who have a problem with the ToE are bronze age, goat herder FAIRY TALE cultists like you who don't like the ToE because it demonstrates how childishly stupid your "holy science textbook" is.

“you must not give faith”

Since: Jul 12

UK

#51608 Oct 10, 2012
I feel the need to post this again.

I have noticed that Charles and HTS haven't provided any evidence for creation (as far as I can see I been distracted at late so if you have give me the post numbers) and as well as responses to counter argument’s (same as before post numbers please) so I've decided to stop trying to defend evolution for a short while and instead attack Christian creation, my attack divided into three categories; scientific empirical things that creation cannot take into account for, philosophical nonempirical issues that are raised by Christian creation and hybrids empirical data that raises nonempirical issues (I know it may not be very clear but it should be a bit clearer after I have gotten into some examples).

Scientific
The nerve going from the brain to the voice box goes past the heart to get the voice box which is strange because the distance between the two is very small at least a few inches and humans and a few feet in giraffes. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recurrentlarynge... . This is important as God knows how much “wiring” it needs so why the waste? It just adds to be likelihood of problems occurring like cancer spreading into the nerve this is not the sort of thing one should expect from God.

Philosophical
How did things go wrong in the Garden of Eden the first place? Surely if God is perfect then one would expect nothing but perfection in what it creates, or at least follow its idea of perfection and God considers doubt and temptation to disobey a bad thing so why did the temptation exist?

Hybrid Neanderthal burial grounds, Neanderthals were a different species than modern man but more importantly the way the burial grounds were set out in its religious like way showing the universe wasn't just for us because there were other sentient creatures. http://news.discovery.com/history/neanderthal... round-afterlife-11 0420.html Of course that assumes God is good and if it were not so ethical and really did make universe with us in mind then that would mean he would have created two sentient species just to destroy one them, let's not even go into the size of the universe the immensity of it shows how silly it is to say it was made for us this does the job brilliantly better even, besides we have to make up for lost time that should in an ideal world have been spent mourning the loss of our fellow travellers, trying to find out what the like and how they ended.
MIDutch

Waterford, MI

#51609 Oct 10, 2012
wolverine wrote:
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I Never Agreed To Help You....Nor Am I A Rabbi, Pastor, Or Clergyman. If You Dont Have Enough Sense To See The Reality Around You, It Is Obvious You Will Not Accept " Help "
Reality? You really want to talk about reality?

We're not the ones who believe in people being poofed into existence out of a pile of dirt or magic fruit or talking snakes or angels and demons or giants and unicorns or satyrs and cockatrices or witches and witches or the sun standing still in the sky so that one tribe of goat herders can more efficiently slaughter another tribe of goat herders or a man living in a fishes belly for three days or ...

No worries though. Most everyone else in the world outside of your bronze age, goat herder FAIRY TALE cult think you guys (and your close allies and brethren, the radical, fundamentalist muslims) are beyond help anyways.
wolverine wrote:
<quoted text>Peddle Your Atheist Assertions On Those Who Would Listen.
BILLIONS of Hindus, Buddhists, Confucianists, Daoists, Shinto, Sikhs, Pagans, Wiccans, agnostics, etc. are also interested in your evidence for YOUR "god". It isn't just the atheists.

“Darwin was right..of course.”

Since: Jun 11

Evolution is true.....

#51610 Oct 10, 2012
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> I think something is really wrong with you...
Evolution from apes to humans, is a farce( failure)..
Sorry Charlie....it's a fact.

I expect your Christian sect to not believe, but it IS fact.

“Stuffs gettin better ”

Since: Aug 12

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#51611 Oct 10, 2012
Evolution is a religion designed not to seek truth but to destroy faith.
The problem with the religion of evolution is that its sole purpose is to disprove what cannot be disproved by proving what cannot be proved.

The religion of evolution is its own worst enemy.

P.S
Those who say that creationists are in denial of science, have no idea that they are the biggest supporters of science.
Anyone who can create a universe has got to be the greatest scientist there ever was or ever will be.

"Stuff's gettin better"

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#51612 Oct 10, 2012
Anyone see this yet?

http://phys.org/news/2012-10-complex-brains-e...

Complex brains evolved much earlier than previously thought, as evidenced by a 520-million year old fossilized arthropod with remarkably well-preserved brain structures. Representing the earliest specimen to show a brain, the fossil provides a "missing link" that sheds light on the evolutionary history of arthropods, the taxonomic group that comprises crustaceans, arachnids and insects.

The remarkably well-preserved fossil of an extinct arthropod shows that anatomically complex brains evolved earlier than previously thought and have changed little over the course of evolution. According to University of Arizona neurobiologist Nicholas Strausfeld, who co-authored the study describing the specimen, the fossil is the earliest known to show a brain.

The discovery will be published in the Oct. 11 issue of the journal Nature.

Embedded in mudstones deposited during the Cambrian period 520 million years ago in what today is the Yunnan Province in China, the approximately 3-inch-long fossil, which belongs to the species Fuxianhuia protensa, represents an extinct lineage of arthropods combining an advanced brain anatomy with a primitive body plan.

The fossil provides a "missing link" that sheds light on the evolutionary history of arthropods, the taxonomic group that comprises crustaceans, arachnids and insects.

The researchers call their find "a transformative discovery" that could resolve a long-standing debate about how and when complex brains evolved.

"No one expected such an advanced brain would have evolved so early in the history of multicellular animals," said Strausfeld, a Regents Professor in the UA department of neuroscience.

According to Strausfeld, paleontologists and evolutionary biologists have yet to agree on exactly how arthropods evolved, especially on what the common ancestor looked like that gave rise to insects.

"There has been a very long debate about the origin of insects," Strausfeld said, adding that until now, scientists have favored one of two scenarios.

Some believe that insects evolved from the an ancestor that gave rise to the malacostracans, a group of crustaceans that include crabs and shrimp, while others point to a lineage of less commonly known crustaceans called branchiopods, which include, for example, brine shrimp.

<<More at link above>>
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#51615 Oct 10, 2012
bohart wrote:
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Ahh the Dude, always rushing to the defense of his religion answering every post whether it was to him or not. A pure Pharisee of the evolutionist puddle goo crowd attempting to stamp out the heresy of oppostion to his beloved goo.
On the contrary, I'm giving you fundies every opportunity to post something with substance. Twelve months this thread has been going on and you've all avoided it like the plague.(shrug)

““You must not lose faith ”

Since: Jun 11

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#51626 Oct 10, 2012
Dogen wrote:
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"Hominidae consists of orangutans, gorillas, chimpanzees, bonobos and humans.[1][2] Alternatively, the hominidae family are collectively described as the great apes.[3][4][5][6]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ape
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homininae

Just to get in in my head.
Better yet if some here would come to terms with it.
Then we could move on(move back :))

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#51627 Oct 10, 2012
President Starky wrote:
Evolution is a religion designed not to seek truth but to destroy faith.
Science, including the Theory of Evolution, presents and explains known and observed facts of the natural world.

And if your "faith" is so threatened by the facts being shown, than your faith is pretty damn weak.
wolverine

Greeley, CO

#51628 Oct 10, 2012
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>
woofy is without a clue, as usual. First off there is only one side that can be shown to regularly lie on this forum and that is the creationist side. We have shown so many times over that your side lies that it is laughable whenever any creationist talks about the truth.
Second science and technology beats faith all of the time and you are a hypocrite for using the results of that technology and then claiming faith could do better. We have gone over this before woofy and you lost then and you will lose again with the exact same argument.
Doesn't your side have anything new? Ever!!??
Wrong, As Usual.

Can Science Explain What Gravity Is ?
Can It Explain Emotions ?
Can It Explain Conscienceness ?
Can It Explain Feelings ?
Can It Explain Loneliness ?
Can It Explain Hate ?

You See Dweebscicle....They Can Theorize About It....But Nothing Other Then That.

Yes, Sciences Inventions Are Great And Amazing....But Those Are Seperate From Theory.

I And Most Everyone Applaud The Inventors, And Some Of Them Used Theory To Begin With. But, They Excelled Beyond Theory, And Actually Produced Something Of Value. Your Religion Merely Relies On Theory Without Producing Anything Provable.
And Has A Cult Following Of Foot Soldiers.....Hmmm

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#51629 Oct 10, 2012
Kong_ wrote:
<quoted text>Science, including the Theory of Evolution, presents and explains known and observed facts of the natural world.

And if your "faith" is so threatened by the facts being shown, than your faith is pretty damn weak.
"Then"
wolverine

Greeley, CO

#51630 Oct 10, 2012
Kong_ wrote:
<quoted text>
Science, including the Theory of Evolution, presents and explains known and observed facts of the natural world.
And if your "faith" is so threatened by the facts being shown, than your faith is pretty damn weak.
My Faith Is Not Threatened By Science....God Created Science, For The Fools To Keep Themselves Busy. Otherwise They Would Be Blind From Masturbation.

Ever Watch Big Bang Theory ? Thats Exactly The TYpes That Are Theoretical Scientists, They Couldnt Get Laid In Mexico On Payday.
wolverine

Greeley, CO

#51631 Oct 10, 2012
The Dude wrote:
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On the contrary, I'm giving you fundies every opportunity to post something with substance. Twelve months this thread has been going on and you've all avoided it like the plague.(shrug)
LOL...Ive Spent 3 Years, And Still Nothing Of Value From Atheists, Seems We Do Have Something In Common.

““You must not lose faith ”

Since: Jun 11

Location hidden

#51632 Oct 10, 2012
Double Fine wrote:
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Origins of languages has nothing to do with your mythical story.
Genetic distance does however.
http://www.friesian.com/trees.htm
Also see Sforza's work

I'm starting to wonder whether creationists are a bundle of genes short from the rest of us.
Is there some small remote island where they engineered them without the proper neural network and inbuild intellectual lazyness.

Nonsense aside, most can't even understand the bible.
They remind me of hooligans.
Usually the kind of people that are during the week small dictators, thus shop managers or general middle management or even the guy that advises you. So enough money to afford the outrageous prices for a season-ticket or away games.
Well in the weekend they go spare.
Overhere they troll and are incapable to understand that they must make an arguement that completely and totally explains creation.

“Waytogo”

Since: Oct 09

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#51633 Oct 10, 2012
wolverine wrote:
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My Faith Is Not Threatened By Science....God Created Science, For The Fools To Keep Themselves Busy. Otherwise They Would Be Blind From Masturbation.
Ever Watch Big Bang Theory ? Thats Exactly The TYpes That Are Theoretical Scientists, They Couldnt Get Laid In Mexico On Payday.
Science is fact....RELIGION IS EVIL HATE FILLED BIGOTRY AND VIOLENCE......I will take fact hitler trash......

““You must not lose faith ”

Since: Jun 11

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#51634 Oct 10, 2012
wolverine wrote:
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LOL...Ive Spent 3 Years, And Still Nothing Of Value From Atheists, Seems We Do Have Something In Common.
Double shrug.
For support of evolution it is totally irrelevant whether people are believing or atheist.

“I Am No One To Be Trifled With”

Since: Jun 09

Dread Pirate Roberts

#51635 Oct 10, 2012
http://members.iinet.net.au/~sejones/histry01...

Darwin's attack on creation
Darwin erected a straw man caricature of creation to attack
"Often the Creationist position seems merely a straw man-set up only to be knocked down"
"Yet even here, where Darwin's arguments are strongest, nagging questions remain. For example, a reader of the Origin might be justified in wondering what Creationist view Darwin is referring to. Perhaps this is a problem more for the present-day reader. Darwin's contemporaries may have known exactly what he meant, though I doubt it. Often the Creationist position seems merely a straw man-set up only to be knocked down. The constraints on space in the Origin, which led Darwin to abandon his original intention of arguing on both sides of the mutability issue, add to this feeling. The result is that the Creationist position is never clearly defined in the Origin." (Gale B.G., "Evolution Without Evidence: Charles Darwin and the Origin of Species," University of New Mexico Press: Albuquerque NM, 1982, p.139).[top]

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