Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 209897 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#51535 Oct 9, 2012
So starkey is now stark raving mad. Perhaps you might want to join Psycho over on the "Should evolution be taught in high-school?" thread.

All you have left are taunts and lies. They make me feel good. You might as well be waving a white flag that was 6 feet by 10 feet.

Since: Apr 11

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#51536 Oct 9, 2012
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Chuckles, you aren't white. You should not be laughing at a racist joke. The maker of that joke would consider you to be one of the "mudpeople" too.
The colour of ones skin has nothing to do with the matter discussed. Remember, all races evolved from the so called dark world, Africa...

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#51537 Oct 9, 2012
I take it none of the creationists want to debate based upon actual science.

What!? No takers? I guess they are right. It is a foregone conclusion when you restrict creationists to the facts and truth they will always lose the argument.

“Darwin was right..of course.”

Since: Jun 11

Evolution is true.....

#51538 Oct 9, 2012
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> The colour of ones skin has nothing to do with the matter discussed. Remember, all races evolved from the so called dark world, Africa...
All humans alive today can trace their bloodline back to Africa. Mankind was born in Africa...the cradle of humanity.

I'm glad you now accept evolution Charles.

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#51539 Oct 9, 2012
Subduction Zone wrote:
I take it none of the creationists want to debate based upon actual science.
What!? No takers? I guess they are right. It is a foregone conclusion when you restrict creationists to the facts and truth they will always lose the argument.
You do not know anything about "fact and truth" .
wolverine

Greeley, CO

#51541 Oct 10, 2012
thewordofme wrote:
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So you have no proof and you will not help to find this god of yours?
Sweet...just as predicted.
I Never Agreed To Help You....Nor Am I A Rabbi, Pastor, Or Clergyman. If You Dont Have Enough Sense To See The Reality Around You, It Is Obvious You Will Not Accept " Help "

Peddle Your Atheist Assertions On Those Who Would Listen.

Just As Predicted

Since: Apr 11

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#51542 Oct 10, 2012
thewordofme wrote:
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All humans alive today can trace their bloodline back to Africa. Mankind was born in Africa...the cradle of humanity.
I'm glad you now accept evolution Charles.
Evolution is the handiwork of God. Evolution of humans from apes to date, are baseless and un Godly...
wolverine

Greeley, CO

#51543 Oct 10, 2012
Subwoffer.....Religion, Faith, Belief In God, Always Will Win.

Atheism Relys On Science To Try To Debunk " God "

Science Cannot Deal With Something Supernatural, Paranormal, It Cannot Detect Or Measure It, It Cannot Observe Or Repeat It....

Seems Atheists Have Hitched Themselves To The Wrong Wagon.....But This Doesnt Surprise Me.
Anonymous

Saint Charles, MO

#51544 Oct 10, 2012
You said: They are so quick to announce their fake evolution discoveries, but they are not so quick to expose their mistakes and disproven conjectures.

It took 50 years for the theory of plate tectonics to be accepted as probably being true.

Benjimin Franklin said the worst mistake he made was not getting his daughter vacinated for smallpox. At the time the vacination was a theory and not proven.

Your worst mistake is not getting enough education to know that you know a lot less than you think you know.

““You must not lose faith ”

Since: Jun 11

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#51545 Oct 10, 2012
anonymous wrote:
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I haven't heard too much on Neanderthals being blue-eyed. White skin goes along with northern climates. Mostly I've heard speculation that they may have had red hair as they share a similar mutation that Celts possess.
Personally, I'm inclined to expect the elder species to have similar characteristics to the ones modern humans do. The diversity in European choices of pigmentation probably reflect a tendency to among Europeans express an extroverted behavior. That extroversion is probably helped by announcing one's tribal affiliation in advance. Essentially, it announces friends or enemies in advance of any social faux-pas.
Dienekes.blog is a good source as far as actual research and anthropologic speculations go.

Well if you had red hair, you would stand out.
Maybe being extrovert is a safety measure.
As in do not creep up on people.
Or a strategy for reproduction, avoiding inbreeding, in making the guest feel welcome.

But the obvious question would be why you would consider Europeans more extroverted.

““You must not lose faith ”

Since: Jun 11

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#51546 Oct 10, 2012
As in nexus in trade like modern New York can show a great diversity, but some do not, as in still having a clear dominant haplotype.

““You must not lose faith ”

Since: Jun 11

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#51547 Oct 10, 2012
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Evolution is the handiwork of God. Evolution of humans from apes to date, are baseless and un Godly...
What is it with you?
You have been shown various sites (that might have been too far a stretch for your understanding) and we talked about bllodgroups and chromosome 2 and the concept of concestors as well as epigenetic oncogenic methylation.
So ape and human were concestor before they split. And later we find other concestors as in the hominina (or simply hominids) that also split of and being not that different from us to stand totally in the way of reproduction.
Homo sapience is pretty good at acquiring extra genes, so if you are not talking in terms of proven concestery you could say that ape and hominids split from what eventually became homo sapience.

Small gradual changes.

Today i read a statement by Liam R that christians can not believe in all the bible says, but that they are cafetaria believers, they have to pick and choose.

Well the same does not go for evolution. Science will correct premisses, till we get at the bottom of it all. The full menu or nothing.
OLD HAPPY

San Angelo, TX

#51549 Oct 10, 2012
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> The colour of ones skin has nothing to do with the matter discussed. Remember, all races evolved from the so called dark world, Africa...
Yes brother, but didn't Noah's descendants journey from the east and build a city in the land of Shinar which is modern day Iraq? The desert plain is where all languages is said to have came from, is that correct?

“First it steals your mind..”

Since: Jun 11

..and then it steals your soul

#51550 Oct 10, 2012
OLD HAPPY wrote:
<quoted text>Yes brother, but didn't Noah's descendants journey from the east and build a city in the land of Shinar which is modern day Iraq? The desert plain is where all languages is said to have came from, is that correct?
Wrong.

““You must not lose faith ”

Since: Jun 11

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#51551 Oct 10, 2012
thewordofme wrote:
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A Draft Sequence of the Neanderthal Genome
..."In 2010, Svante Pääbo’s lab announced a draft sequence of the Neanderthal genome (Green et al. 2010). This new study has produced evidence consistent with interbreeding between Neanderthals and anatomically modern Homo sapiens and points to aspects of the human genome that may have changed since the split between humans and Neanderthals.
DNA was extracted from three Neanderthal bones from Vindija Cave, Croatia. By comparing sequences from their mtDNA and their nuclear DNA, scientists determined that the three bones came from different individuals, although two of them might be related on their mother’s side. The researchers used several methods to ensure that the DNA they were sequencing was derived from the Neanderthal specimens rather than from contamination by modern humans in the lab.
The Neanderthal sequence was compared to those of five modern humans from France, China, Papua New Guinea, as well as Africans from the San and Yoruba groups. Tests indicated that Neanderthals shared more derived alleles with non-African modern humans than with African modern humans. They compared parts of the Neanderthal genome with pairs of modern humans. While the European and Asian pairs had similar amounts of derived material compared with the Neanderthal, Neanderthals had more similarities with non-African humans than with Africans. The simplest explanation for these results is gene flow from Neanderthals into modern humans. Gene flow could also have occurred from modern humans into Neanderthals. Interbreeding events between Neanderthals and modern humans might be obscured if the modern human population was large.
Neanderthals have contributed approximately 1% to 4% to the genomes of non-African modern humans. This evidence of interbreeding sheds light on how we think of the expansion of modern humans out of Africa. It refutes the strictest scenario in which anatomically modern humans replaced archaic hominins completely without any interbreeding. However, even with some interbreeding between moderns and archaic hominins, most of our genome still derives from Africa.
The data also points to the time when interbreeding might have taken place. Since the Neanderthal DNA was equally related to that of the modern samples from France, China and Papua New Guinea, admixture between moderns and Neanderthals must have occurred before the Eurasian populations split off from each other. Remains of both modern humans and Neanderthals dating to around 100,000 years ago have been found in the Middle East. A few interbreeding events during this period could have produced the results found in this study.
The sequence of our close hominin relative also shows us how humans are unique. Researchers found 78 sequence differences that would have affected proteins in which Neanderthals had the ancestral state and modern humans had a newer, derived state. Five genes had more than one sequence change that affected the protein structure. These proteins include SPAG17, which is involved in the movement of sperm, PCD16, which may be involved in wound healing, TTF1, which is involved in ribosomal gene transcription, and RPTN, which is found in the skin, hair and sweat glands. Scientists do not know the function of the CAN15 protein, which was also one of the differences. Other changes may affect regulatory regions in the human sequence. Some changes are in regions that code for microRNA molecules that regulate protein manufacture..."
http://humanorigins.si.edu/evidence/genetics/...
Yes there is a connection between man and Neanderthal.
I repeat; you probably have some small amount of Neanderthal blood/genes in your body.
It could do with a repeat.

Since: Apr 11

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#51552 Oct 10, 2012
MAAT wrote:
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What is it with you?
You have been shown various sites (that might have been too far a stretch for your understanding) and we talked about bllodgroups and chromosome 2 and the concept of concestors as well as epigenetic oncogenic methylation.
So ape and human were concestor before they split. And later we find other concestors as in the hominina (or simply hominids) that also split of and being not that different from us to stand totally in the way of reproduction.
Homo sapience is pretty good at acquiring extra genes, so if you are not talking in terms of proven concestery you could say that ape and hominids split from what eventually became homo sapience.
Small gradual changes.
Today i read a statement by Liam R that christians can not believe in all the bible says, but that they are cafetaria believers, they have to pick and choose.
Well the same does not go for evolution. Science will correct premisses, till we get at the bottom of it all. The full menu or nothing.
I think something is really wrong with you...
Evolution from apes to humans, is a farce( failure)..

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#51553 Oct 10, 2012
wolverine wrote:
Subwoffer.....Religion, Faith, Belief In God, Always Will Win.
Atheism Relys On Science To Try To Debunk " God "
Science Cannot Deal With Something Supernatural, Paranormal, It Cannot Detect Or Measure It, It Cannot Observe Or Repeat It....
Seems Atheists Have Hitched Themselves To The Wrong Wagon.....But This Doesnt Surprise Me.
woofy is without a clue, as usual. First off there is only one side that can be shown to regularly lie on this forum and that is the creationist side. We have shown so many times over that your side lies that it is laughable whenever any creationist talks about the truth.

Second science and technology beats faith all of the time and you are a hypocrite for using the results of that technology and then claiming faith could do better. We have gone over this before woofy and you lost then and you will lose again with the exact same argument.

Doesn't your side have anything new? Ever!!??

Since: Apr 11

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#51554 Oct 10, 2012
OLD HAPPY wrote:
<quoted text>Yes brother, but didn't Noah's descendants journey from the east and build a city in the land of Shinar which is modern day Iraq? The desert plain is where all languages is said to have came from, is that correct?
Babylon!!!
You are right. But from the bible, there were serious contacts between people of Africa( North to the horn) and the middle east...

Since: Apr 11

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#51555 Oct 10, 2012
Double Fine wrote:
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Wrong.
How ?

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#51556 Oct 10, 2012
wolverine wrote:
Subwoffer.....Religion, Faith, Belief In God, Always Will Win.
Atheism Relys On Science To Try To Debunk " God "
Science Cannot Deal With Something Supernatural, Paranormal, It Cannot Detect Or Measure It, It Cannot Observe Or Repeat It....
Seems Atheists Have Hitched Themselves To The Wrong Wagon.....But This Doesnt Surprise Me.
First Evolution and Atheism are two different topics. Try to get that simple fact into your head. It seems that you are now trying to discuss atheism, a topic that you know as little about as you know about evolution.

Atheism does not rely on science. People are atheists for many different reasons. Some of them base it on science some don't. Do you think every theist believes in the existence of god for the same reason. Go ahead ask around, try to get out of the circle jerk that you are involved in and see what people of other denominations and even other beliefs say are the reasons that they believe in god.

Science never sets out to disprove the existence of god. Now if it is necessary for the Earth to be at the center of the universe and all of the other planets rotate around it, then you might have a problem with science. That does not mean that science is against god. It took the Catholics over 300 years to realize that. Don't smirk, you're version of Christianity is no better. If you think that the Earth is not 4.5 billion years old, or that man appeared on the Earth through the process of evolution then it is again you that has the problem and not science. Science only cares about what is. What is observable, what is predictable, what is measurable. And all aspects of science support evolution. They do not support biblical creation.

Of course that does not mean that science is anti-god. Again, science does not care if gods exist or don't exist. All science cares about is the observable world. So unless your god is a huge liar, who plants signs of that agree with all aspects of evolution in every branch of science then evolution is true. When you say evolution is a liar you are saying god is a liar.

Are you comfortable with that?

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