Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 172004 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

Join the discussion below, or Read more at Best of New Orleans.

The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#36170 Jul 31, 2012
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> Been where you are at.
<quoted text> Is that true? If it is true then it self refutes.
lightbeamrider wrote:
What was true and moral for Hitler is not the same as what was true and moral for Ghandi. Both are equally valid by your definition.
Objectively speaking, that is correct.
lightbeamrider wrote:
There is no reason to help the weak if non theistic evolution is true.
Theism is irrelevant to evolution, whether it be atheism or theism. There is no reason to help the weak if theism is true because God will sort it all out anyway.
lightbeamrider wrote:
There is no reason to accept our sense of right and wrong as nothing more than activity in the brain. Like everything else, Brain exhaust.
Then go around assaulting everybody then. Watch what happens. Then tell me there's no good reason.

Another fundie adds evidence to the idea that fundies really are psychopaths.
lightbeamrider wrote:
But you know better? Actually it is an invisible all powerful Being capable of speaking everything into existence and much more.
Oh, well if you put it like that then how can we not take you seriously?

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The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#36171 Jul 31, 2012
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> So you take those passages literally? Learn how to read ancient literature.
You learn how to read ancient literature. Your baseless religious opinions arent' any better than anyone else's. You're not the world's greatest Biblical scholar. Your not His official spokesperson. God does not love you best. You're simply just another fundie with a big mouth who thinks his opinions are worth sh t.

They aren't.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#36172 Jul 31, 2012
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> Uncaused cause. Yes. Outside time and space since these had a beginning at the big bang. Get this through your head.
I have. You're a hypocrite. You complain about quantum events then invoke an uncaused cause yourself.
lightbeamrider wrote:
Only life produces life.
Life is an arbitrary definition. Fact is that life is chemistry. Chemistry produces chemistry. You are claiming it works when it's theologically convenient and it doesn't work when it's theologically inconvenient. As pointed out, your religious opinions are irrelevant.

Besides, in order to get to heaven you have to be dead. But God is in heaven but he is alive. God is alive but he is a non-biological spirit. Only biology produces biology. God also didn't produce humans via his natural reproductive system, he created them artificially, like Dr Frankenstein. In other words, life coming from non-life.
lightbeamrider wrote:
Confess your own sins.
Don't need to. Who are you again?(shrug)
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#36173 Jul 31, 2012
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>
The facts are this singularity having gravity of unheard of strength could not just start expanding! Impossible. As soon as the laws of physics take hold like one billionth of a second after the big bang then gravity would have held or pulled this singularity back together and stopped time again.
Science deals with facts - them are the facts.
Pre big bang singularity and then the big bang just could not have happened.
Common physic laws prove this.
Your science doesn't know if it's coming or going. Science needs to stick to the facts and not make up this crap that just could not have happened.
So the physicists who propose the Big Bang are all wrong and you know better even though you don't understand a single shred of science.

Plus evidence doesn't matter to you anyway because evidence of a young Earth is evidence of a young Earth and evidence of an old Earth is evidence of a young Earth. Thus rendering all your complaints moot.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#36174 Jul 31, 2012
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>Why does someone who believes in a nonsensical god quote Brian Greene saying the universe has to make sense?
Especially when Brian Greene disagrees with him.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#36175 Jul 31, 2012
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>
No it is you who grasp at straws and ignore what you wish to twist and turn the bible it to ridicules non scripture statements.
And the pay homage to anything your science says no matter how reticules it is. "all matter that ever existed fitting on a pins head and then just started expanding all on its own" clueless that breaks all rules and laws that science has come up with to date.
No need to twist anything, it's all right there in the Bible.

Like I said, no such thing as a Biblical literalist. There are only those who know it's flawed, or hypocrites.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#36176 Jul 31, 2012
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> Only life produces life? Yes. As does Science. Biogenesis. You know. Eliminated Spontaneous Generation which was believed true for 200 years because they had no other explanation for maggots on rotting meat. Folks in your camp have nothing but contempt for the Bible and that is the way it is read. Says more about critics than it does about Scripture.
Spontaneous generation was falsified as there was no mechanism for the idea to bring about fully-formed organisms out of nowhere, such as maggots in rotting meat. It was later learned it was simply flies laying eggs in the body. In short, it falsified creationism.

It said nothing about the incremental of life developing from naturally occurring chemical processes.

Since that IS how life happens now, creationists are only bastardizing the concept of spontaneous generation in order to beat up a caricature. Their straw-men have little to do with reality.

Since: Apr 12

Beijing, China

#36177 Jul 31, 2012
lightbeamrider wrote:
Again, it all boils down to one event. The resurrection of Christ. It either happened or it did not.
I agree.
Also, either the resurrection of Mithra happened or it did not.
Either the resurrection of Orisis happened or it did not.
Either the resurrection of Gilgamish happened or it did not.

Is this enough common ground for a logical discussion?
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#36178 Jul 31, 2012
lightbeamrider wrote:
Non theistic macro evolution is BS.
Except I proved you wrong. Just like every other fundie you've avoided addressing it. Also you place limits on your god in the process.

Maybe there is a God. But it used evolution. Or God is a liar.
lightbeamrider wrote:
Scientific evidence for God is in creation. It is how the facts are interpretated.
False. Your "interpretation" is subjective and worthless.

Fossil with feathers and three middle ear bones? Goddidit.

No fossils with feathers and three middle ear bones? Goddidit.
lightbeamrider wrote:
You cannot or will not distinguish the difference between fairy tales and actual ancient accounts. On the one hand you write you have no contempt for the Bible and on the other you dismiss it as a book of fairy tales. No ''basic logic'' in that. Again, it all boils down to one event. The resurrection of Christ. It either happened or it did not.
So far there is no evidence other than claims made by Christians. Your "interpretation" is that the opinions of Christians are enough to dictate what reality is.

In fact that's all you've ever done.

Your opinions are still irrelevant.

“Pissing people off since 1949”

Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#36179 Jul 31, 2012
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>
Because he created a mature Adam and Eve an all the plants and trees and animals were all created full grown.
It's looks lime that how God rolls.
Yeah. I used to believe in fairy tales too. Once upon a time.

“Pissing people off since 1949”

Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#36180 Jul 31, 2012
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>
Ya like anyone with faith would believe someone who was willingly spewing Blaspheme of the Holy Spirit.
Oh, wow! I feel soooooooo insulted.

Not.

“There's a feeling I get...”

Since: Jun 11

...when I look to the West

#36181 Jul 31, 2012
Thomas Robertson wrote:
<quoted text>
I agree.
Also, either the resurrection of Mithra happened or it did not.
Either the resurrection of Orisis happened or it did not.
Either the resurrection of Gilgamish happened or it did not.
Is this enough common ground for a logical discussion?
Heavens no.

All of those are mythical.

Jesus is REAL. I mean, many of the places mentioned really exists!

Don't you see?? Proving that Egypt exists leads to verifying the Genesis account!

*Disclaimer: Double Fine is not a creationist. Just bored at work.
FREE SERVANT

Bellevue, WA

#36182 Jul 31, 2012
Creation according to the Bible happened at once when God said for it to be, and it was so. God created the living creatures after their own kind and then he commanded them to be fruitful and to multiply, and they all do so with their own kind. Evolution teaches that very simple organisms became all living things over a great amount of time. We have two very different ideas as to where all living things originate from, and modern evidence doesn't support Darwin when he assumed every life form began simple and then became complex.
Elohim

Branford, CT

#36183 Jul 31, 2012
You cannot or will not distinguish the difference between fairy tales and actual ancient accounts. On the one hand you write you have no contempt for the Bible and on the other you dismiss it as a book of fairy tales. No ''basic logic'' in that. Again, it all boils down to one event. The resurrection of Christ. It either happened or it did not.
B.S. Total B.S. I have no more contempt for your fairy tale book than I have for Aesop's Fable's, Dr. Suess or any other book of moralistic tales. As was noted above the tales of resurrections go back thousands of years before the tale of Jesus was written.
Elohim

Branford, CT

#36184 Jul 31, 2012
MikeF wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh, wow! I feel soooooooo insulted.
Not.
Watch out..... The Spanish Inquisition may be coming for you when you least expect it. No one expects The Spanish Inquisition.

“Pissing people off since 1949”

Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#36185 Jul 31, 2012
Elohim wrote:
<quoted text>Watch out..... The Spanish Inquisition may be coming for you when you least expect it. No one expects The Spanish Inquisition.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =Tym0MObFpTIXX
True, true.
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#36186 Jul 31, 2012
>>>>lightbeamrider
So you take those passages literally? Learn how to read ancient literature.

>>>Gillette
This is hilarious coming from you, who thinks the ancient style of myth-making and tall-tale-telling to make a point is equivalent to"lying," and you who never heard of the Documentary Hypothesis and the fact that the Pentateuch can be pulled apart into its 4 separately written strands.

You apparently know about the bible only what Pastor BIlly Bod has programmed into you. The wider world of 200 years of Bible scholarship has completely eluded you.

And we, supposedly, are the "biblical illiterates." LOL!
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#36187 Jul 31, 2012
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> Been where you are at.
I've been where YOU are at. I was a Christian for 41 years before I woke up and grew up. When will YOU?
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> (GILLETTE ... "Truth and morality are SUBJECTIVE things.")
Is that true? If it is true then it self refutes.
No it doesn't. That's my OPINION, that all truth and morality are subjective. That's my subjective view of how it looks. We ALL have a subjective view.

PROVE any kind of "objective morality" exists.
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> What was true and moral for Hitler is not the same as what was true and moral for Ghandi. Both are equally valid by your definition.
Yes, they are valid to THOSE people, in their minds.

People have different sense of morality. That seems really obvious. And it backs the idea that morality is SUBJECTIVE, not absolute.
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> There is no reason to help the weak if non theistic evolution is true. There is no reason to accept our sense of right and wrong as nothing more than activity in the brain. Like everything else, Brain exhaust.
Utter nonsense.

I can have a subjective sense of what I think is right and moral and act by it without in ANY way subscribing to any theistic beliefs or idea of a God.

Since: May 08

EVERYWHERE

#36188 Jul 31, 2012
After one reads Romans 1:18-32, we can easily see just how relevant the Bible is for today and how it's not an accident that god-haters, socialists, atheists, secular humanists, pagans,--and all those (whether religious or non-religious) people who LIVE LIKE there's no Holy God that they're accountable to, eventually will accept the sin of homosexuality as their personal death-style. In this case, the lust for perversion and homosexuality comes before their adoption of Atheism.

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness,

19 because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, 21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened.

22 Professing to be wise, they became fools, 23 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man--and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things.

24 Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, 25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. 26 For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature.

27 Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men (HOMOSEXUALITY) committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.

28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge (ATHEISM), God gave them over to a DEBASED MIND, to do those things which are not fitting; 29 being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, 30 backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving, unmerciful; 32 who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.

In all the Atheist's efforts to attack the God of the God and insult his Holy Spirit. They end up unwittingly confirming God's word is true as they must suppress the Knowledge that they all ready have.

The Psychology of Atheism
http://cross.tv/84577

Doubt Atheism
http://evolutionfacts.blogspot.com

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The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#36189 Jul 31, 2012
PROFESSOR X wrote:
After one reads Romans 1:18-32, we can easily see just how relevant the Bible is for today
Apparently not that relevant since you constantly ignore the 9th Commandment which states DO NOT LIE. The only rational conclusion is that you're a God-hater who doesn't really believe what he's saying anyway, as all you've done is present lies and ad-hom and totally EPICALLY FAILED to demonstrate your position for 12 months.

Till next time, fake Prof.

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