Fact check: GOP response to Obama gun...

Fact check: GOP response to Obama gun plan

There are 10 comments on the www.usatoday.com story from Jan 25, 2013, titled Fact check: GOP response to Obama gun plan. In it, www.usatoday.com reports that:

Republican response to President Obama's plan to reduce gun violence has been peppered with misleading claims.

•Rep. Steve Stockman of Texas claimed, "Gun bans and anti-gun laws have always led to one thing — more gun violence." But the majority of academic research on the effect of the federal assault weapons ban, as well as restrictive gun laws in several major cities, has found no such causal link.

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“It's a Brand New Day”

Since: Feb 06

New Rochelle

#1 Jan 25, 2013
The study I need to see is not 'general crime statistics' going up or down with assault weapons ban; but "MASSACRE STATISTICS or MASS MURDERS" in relation to assault weapons ban.

“Open your eyes”

Since: Sep 09

Central Florida

#2 Jan 25, 2013
Let's think about this.

The government has put restrictions on items, commodities, people throughout history.

And how did it turn out?

Prohibition, the war on drugs are the 2 biggest i can think of right now. What did that accomplish? More violence.

So who in their right mind could this that the US Government that is filled with nothing but people who are inept can do anything about gun violence?

Seriously ask yourself this question.

“It's a Brand New Day”

Since: Feb 06

New Rochelle

#3 Jan 25, 2013
Kahoki wrote:
Let's think about this.
The government has put restrictions on items, commodities, people throughout history.
And how did it turn out?
Prohibition, the war on drugs are the 2 biggest i can think of right now. What did that accomplish? More violence.
So who in their right mind could this that the US Government that is filled with nothing but people who are inept can do anything about gun violence?
Seriously ask yourself this question.
Apples and oranges.

How about the ban on machine guns? Seen any tommy-guns lately?
The assault weapon, semi-auto, easily converted to full auto, is the preferred weapon of mass-murderers, NO?

NO?

There is no reason to provide these killing tools to mass murderers, but that is what you advocate.

“Open your eyes”

Since: Sep 09

Central Florida

#4 Jan 25, 2013
Mr_Bill wrote:
<quoted text>
Apples and oranges.
How about the ban on machine guns? Seen any tommy-guns lately?
The assault weapon, semi-auto, easily converted to full auto, is the preferred weapon of mass-murderers, NO?
NO?
There is no reason to provide these killing tools to mass murderers, but that is what you advocate.
But here you are talking about tools that are being used.

What is the root cause of the individual using the tool. Why was the tool used?

This is not what is being discussed. Only the tools that are being used is the focus.

And there is the problem. People do not look at root causes. They only look at symptons of a problem.

And this is a perfect example of that. It is the tool and not the individual who used the tool.

“It's a Brand New Day”

Since: Feb 06

New Rochelle

#5 Jan 25, 2013
Kahoki wrote:
<quoted text>
But here you are talking about tools that are being used.
What is the root cause of the individual using the tool. Why was the tool used?
This is not what is being discussed. Only the tools that are being used is the focus.
And there is the problem. People do not look at root causes. They only look at symptons of a problem.
And this is a perfect example of that. It is the tool and not the individual who used the tool.
Anger, little penis, brain chemestry, WHO CARES?

You put the assault weapon in their hands, they go to kindergartens, movie theaters, colleges, and start shooting.

Look at the rooots after the kids are murdered by the dozen?
That won't stop the next one, will it?
Will you tie up every possibly crazy person? Good luck with that, Don Quixote.

Stop the flow of assaut weapons to crazy people and petty criminals.

You are overly concerned with examining the reasons after the kids, or movie gowrs, or mall shoppers are punctured, bled out, and in the ground.


And I don't care that much why. Crazy does crazy things, and there is NO REASON TO FEED THEM ASSAULT WEAPONS.

NO REASON, and then examine entrails ater for meaning?
And the victims are all dead.

“Open your eyes”

Since: Sep 09

Central Florida

#6 Jan 25, 2013
Mr_Bill wrote:
<quoted text>
Anger, little penis, brain chemestry, WHO CARES?
You put the assault weapon in their hands, they go to kindergartens, movie theaters, colleges, and start shooting.
Look at the rooots after the kids are murdered by the dozen?
That won't stop the next one, will it?
Will you tie up every possibly crazy person? Good luck with that, Don Quixote.
Stop the flow of assaut weapons to crazy people and petty criminals.
You are overly concerned with examining the reasons after the kids, or movie gowrs, or mall shoppers are punctured, bled out, and in the ground.
And I don't care that much why. Crazy does crazy things, and there is NO REASON TO FEED THEM ASSAULT WEAPONS.
NO REASON, and then examine entrails ater for meaning?
And the victims are all dead.
LOL, you just proved my point.

Your knee jerk reaction to a tool and not the reason why an individual used a tool is part of the problem. And the ignorance of what Diane Feinstein's bill actually does is a part of the problem.

So here we go. Democrats get what they want. Feinstein get's what she wants. Guns are taken. With a reduction to access to guns, the root problem is still there. People on mind altering drugs.

So they go to the kitchen, get a large knife, walk into a school and starts flaying around slicing and dicing. Kills X amounts, injures X amount of people. Children are involved.

Then it is the knifes fault. Because based on your precedent, the tool is the problem and not the individual who used the tool. So at no point in time is there personal responsibility.

Let me ask you this. If you want gun control so bad, then why not start at the top? Because the fish rots from the head down. How many children and innocent people have died thanks to the Bush/Obama foreign policy? A million in Iraq, thousands in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, Libya......

Oh wait, those children are acceptable to die I guess.

Since: Dec 07

Athens, TX

#8 Jan 25, 2013
Mr_Bill wrote:
<quoted text>
Apples and oranges.
How about the ban on machine guns? Seen any tommy-guns lately?
The assault weapon, semi-auto, easily converted to full auto, is the preferred weapon of mass-murderers, NO?
NO?
There is no reason to provide these killing tools to mass murderers, but that is what you advocate.
There are lot's of tommy guns in the hands of responisble collectors. These nutballs are being raised on the concept they a victim of society, given mind drugs all their lives. Been proven already.

Worst School Massacre in US history: Bath, Michigan School Massacre. 1927. Murder accomplished with explosives. 44 victims (equal to the Columbine and Virginia Tech massacres combined

Worst Domestic Terrorist Attack in US History: Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building bombing. 4/19/95. Murder accomplished with a rental truck full of fertilizer based explosives. 168 dead (including many children in an onsite day care).

Worst Foreign based Terrorist Attack in US History: September 11, 2001 attacks on NYC, PA, Pentagon. Murder accomplished with box cutters and commerical airliners.~3,000 people dead.

Arson, Stabbing Rampage in Seoul South Korea : 10/20/2008. 6 people dead, 5 from stabbing. 7 others wounded, 4 seriously. An angry man felt people “looked down on him.”

18 year old slashes 4 to death in Sitka, Alaska, US: 3/25/2008. 4 people killed. 18 year old (old enough to purchase a rifle over the counter) kills 4 people, related to him, with a 5 inch knife

4 killed in stabbing spree in London, UK: 9/2004. 4 killed, 2 wounded. Mentally ill man attacks mostly older people.

6 killed over Xbox dispute in Deltona, Florida, US: 8/6/2004. 6 killed. 4 men (all old enough to legally purchase firearms) bludgeon 6 people to death with baseball bats over purloined Xbox

It's not a gun problem, billy boy..It's a nutball problem.

“It's a Brand New Day”

Since: Feb 06

New Rochelle

#9 Jan 25, 2013
Kahoki wrote:
<quoted text>
LOL, you just proved my point.
Your knee jerk reaction to a tool and not the reason why an individual used a tool is part of the problem. And the ignorance of what Diane Feinstein's bill actually does is a part of the problem.
So here we go. Democrats get what they want. Feinstein get's what she wants. Guns are taken. With a reduction to access to guns, the root problem is still there. People on mind altering drugs.
So they go to the kitchen, get a large knife, walk into a school and starts flaying around slicing and dicing. Kills X amounts, injures X amount of people. Children are involved.
Then it is the knifes fault. Because based on your precedent, the tool is the problem and not the individual who used the tool. So at no point in time is there personal responsibility.
Let me ask you this. If you want gun control so bad, then why not start at the top? Because the fish rots from the head down. How many children and innocent people have died thanks to the Bush/Obama foreign policy? A million in Iraq, thousands in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, Libya......
Oh wait, those children are acceptable to die I guess.
LOL, you just proved my point.
Your knee jerk reaction to a tool and not the reason why an individual used a tool is part of the problem....

If you think a knife would kill as many 6 year olds as a high capacity semi-auto assault weapon, why even have assault weapons. They are expensive. Let our troops all fight with your equally efficient knives.

Do you hear yourself?

(And I agree about Iraq.) Afghanistan, having harbored al Qaeda and been run by Taliban is a different; more complicated problem, but basically yes... but that has nothing to do with killing babes in Connecticut, or college kids in the mass murder of the week.

REALITY:
It is much HARDER to mass murder with a knife, a car, a hammer, whatever, that with an assault weapon. That's why AK-47s, AR-15's exist.

It is much easier to escape from, or to disarm a mass murderer with a knife, a car, a hammer, whatever; than a mass murderer with a 10 or 20 round doubled-up clip & a semi.

And I still don't care if your mass murderer is on drugs, or was beat up by a bully, or your "root problem."
That whole line of thinking is, simply, superstition. Reading tea-leaves after the deed is done.
JustSayMaybe

Mesa, AZ

#10 Jan 25, 2013
AR's,AK's, a semi-automatic gun is a semi-automatic gun. Handheld, shoulder style, black or pink, they all work the same. Many hunters and skeet shooters use a semi-automatic. Most handguns today are semi-automatic. Banning the bad looking ones will give you the same security as taking off your shoes at airport security.

“Open your eyes”

Since: Sep 09

Central Florida

#12 Jan 28, 2013
Kahoki wrote:
<quoted text>

Let me ask you this. If you want gun control so bad, then why not start at the top? Because the fish rots from the head down.
Hey Bill! Check this out.

Personal Defense Weapons Solicitation
Solicitation Number: HSCEMS-12-R-00011

That's on Fed Biz Ops. And it is for 7000 personal firearms for the DHS.

Gun control should start from the top down. And the DHS is geared towards the people.

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