Hong Kong Welcomes Edward Snowden to ...

Hong Kong Welcomes Edward Snowden to the Neighborhood

There are 95 comments on the The Atlantic story from Jun 18, 2013, titled Hong Kong Welcomes Edward Snowden to the Neighborhood. In it, The Atlantic reports that:

It may still be early in Edward Snowden's attempt to find safe haven here, but a new poll and a weekend rally demanding that the local government protect Snowden indicate that the people and government of this semi-autonomous region of China may be taking a shine to the 29-year-old whistle-blower.

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Lamer

Norwalk, OH

#22 Jun 24, 2013
Realization wrote:
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Obviously Snowden gave the Chinese his formerly top secret copies of what the USA monitored with Chinese elctric communications, and now Snowden has to be done with the Chinese. Snowden then went to Russia to personally give formerly top secret copies of USA monitoring of Russian communications, and now Snowden is done with the Russians. It does not matter if Snowden publically tells the world or booasts to the world that he shall travel to another country as long as that country is no friend of the USA and the USA has no power to stop Snowden from travelling to that country.
Obviously you have zero proof. Why would he come public then turn around and give the data to foreign governments? cash? safety? what would the reasoning be? I doubt you will return with an answer but it doesnt really add up.
Responsibility

Petaluma, CA

#23 Jun 24, 2013
dude wrote:
<quoted text> I call him a hero cause he will likely be killed for this.
So, dearie, if he lives, is he still a hero?
Analysis

Pittsburgh, PA

#24 Jun 26, 2013
Lamer wrote:
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Obviously you have zero proof. Why would he come public then turn around and give the data to foreign governments? cash? safety? what would the reasoning be? I doubt you will return with an answer but it doesnt really add up.
Perhaps Edward Snowden was a spy to begin with; or later on he became a "turncoat" spy; it is one or the other. Do you think that everything he did was not well planned in advance? It had to be. Snowden probably had secret contact with Chinese, Russians, Wilileaks Assange and others, and everything now is all going to plan; all working just as he planned it. But he discovers now that Eucador and Iceland are not so keen on wanting him to enter as he previously thought they would be.
Lamer

Hopkins, MN

#25 Jun 26, 2013
Analysis wrote:
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Perhaps Edward Snowden was a spy to begin with; or later on he became a "turncoat" spy; it is one or the other. Do you think that everything he did was not well planned in advance? It had to be. Snowden probably had secret contact with Chinese, Russians, Wilileaks Assange and others, and everything now is all going to plan; all working just as he planned it. But he discovers now that Eucador and Iceland are not so keen on wanting him to enter as he previously thought they would be.
or he could have been a spy, not released anything and simply passed on the info to his handlers and still have his job, his access, his hot g/f, house in hawaii, and be of much more use to whomever he was spying for.

so again, your speculation doesnt really make any sense that he is spying yet wanted to out himself and release data to the world rather than his handler. His actions do not back up your speculation.
Guest

United States

#26 Jun 26, 2013
Lamer wrote:
<quoted text>Obviously you have zero proof. Why would he come public then turn around and give the data to foreign governments? cash? safety? what would the reasoning be? I doubt you will return with an answer but it doesnt really add up.
Who says he gave it? He was there, they took what they wanted. We would do the same thing if a Russian traitor flew in looking to hide. The Chinese now have a copy of the 4 laptops he had and now Putin has his own copy.
dude

Aberdeen, WA

#27 Jun 26, 2013
Realization wrote:
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Your so-called hero, Snowden, wants America to be a lot less safer from terrorist attacks than it has been. Dozens and dozens of intended USA terrorist attacks were stopped due to the wonderful, caring US eavsdrop system which was designed in the first place to protect the American people from harm and death.
I guess not looking at facts and trusting everything those clowns in DC tell you works for you. The fact that you are far more likely to die slipping in a bathtub then from terrorists makes their fear inducing bull hold no water. I ask you to name one attack they stopped with this total infringement on our rights. I don't mean what 1 clown said on cspan. Post a link to a mugshot if you can find one.
dude

Aberdeen, WA

#28 Jun 26, 2013
Responsibility wrote:
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So, dearie, if he lives, is he still a hero?
He did leave a 6 figure a year pay, hot girlfriend, family, nice house in Hawaiian paradise. He has every federal agency looking to stick him in the gulag to be water boarded. He gave alot more for this country then most would with that delt hand .So yea living or not still a hero.
Anonymous

Yanai, Japan

#29 Jun 27, 2013
dude wrote:
<quoted text> I guess not looking at facts and trusting everything those clowns in DC tell you works for you. The fact that you are far more likely to die slipping in a bathtub then from terrorists makes their fear inducing bull hold no water. I ask you to name one attack they stopped with this total infringement on our rights. I don't mean what 1 clown said on cspan. Post a link to a mugshot if you can find one.
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dude wrote:
<quoted text> He did leave a 6 figure a year pay, hot girlfriend, family, nice house in Hawaiian paradise. He has every federal agency looking to stick him in the gulag to be water boarded. He gave alot more for this country then most would with that delt hand .So yea living or not still a hero.
There must be something in that drinking water in Aberdeen.
Lamer

Hopkins, MN

#30 Jun 27, 2013
Guest wrote:
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Who says he gave it? He was there, they took what they wanted. We would do the same thing if a Russian traitor flew in looking to hide. The Chinese now have a copy of the 4 laptops he had and now Putin has his own copy.
so more speculation with zero facts yet you talk like it is set in stone. Seems like there is a lot of ignorance like that around here.
Guest

United States

#31 Jun 27, 2013
dude wrote:
<quoted text>I guess not looking at facts and trusting everything those clowns in DC tell you works for you. The fact that you are far more likely to die slipping in a bathtub then from terrorists makes their fear inducing bull hold no water. I ask you to name one attack they stopped with this total infringement on our rights. I don't mean what 1 clown said on cspan. Post a link to a mugshot if you can find one.
If they stopped the attack there isn't an attack or a mug shot associated with the attack that didn't happen, dumbass.
Guest

United States

#32 Jun 27, 2013
Lamer wrote:
<quoted text>so more speculation with zero facts yet you talk like it is set in stone. Seems like there is a lot of ignorance like that around here.
Doesn't stop right wingers from talking about scandals going up to Obama with zero facts or birthers, fool.
Lamer

Hopkins, MN

#33 Jun 27, 2013
Guest wrote:
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Doesn't stop right wingers from talking about scandals going up to Obama with zero facts or birthers, fool.
your calling me the fool when you going on with zero proof and trying to justify it by claiming "the other side does it too so its ok" when in reality your simply lowering youself to their level.

Who's the fool?
Guest

United States

#34 Jun 27, 2013
Lamer wrote:
<quoted text>your calling me the fool when you going on with zero proof and trying to justify it by claiming "the other side does it too so its ok" when in reality your simply lowering youself to their level.

Who's the fool?
What I said about right wingers is true.

Yes, we don't know what damage was done, yet. But it is clear what he did damaged our tactics on gathering intel on terrorists. We won't know the extent of that damage until he is brought to justice.
Lamer

Hopkins, MN

#35 Jun 27, 2013
Guest wrote:
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What I said about right wingers is true.
Yes, we don't know what damage was done, yet. But it is clear what he did damaged our tactics on gathering intel on terrorists. We won't know the extent of that damage until he is brought to justice.
From what i can see, they were hardly gathering intel on terrorist and gathering intel on everyone. There is a difference there. If they suspect someone as a terrorist, then they can easily subpoena those records and not need 99% of all the other data collected. There is zero proof that these programs in themselves initiated any leads regarding terrorist threats.

Of the info the gov has released to justify these programs, all of it has shown that these programs were used after the initial leads were made. If that was the case then that is the time they subpoena records and continue their investigation, not before.

On to how "dangerous" these leaks are... The gov keeps telling us that but so far there have been what, 3-4 documents released that gave us a hint at what is going on. Now the gov is scrambling to answer questions and declassiffy docs and we are learning more and more. Now from the leaker, but from the gov itself.

If that info is so dangerous, then why are we learning more about it from the gov now that the cat is out of the bag? Currently in this case, we are learning more about what our gov is doing from our gov only because Snowden initiated the disucession.
dude

Aberdeen, WA

#36 Jun 27, 2013
Guest wrote:
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If they stopped the attack there isn't an attack or a mug shot associated with the attack that didn't happen, dumbass.
What do you think they do with the people they have caught planning an attack ? They don't pinch their nipples give them lunch and a plane ticket home. Arrest and mugshot vs pinched nipples and lunch. What sounds more reasonable for a terrorist ?
Guest

United States

#37 Jun 28, 2013
dude wrote:
<quoted text>What do you think they do with the people they have caught planning an attack ? They don't pinch their nipples give them lunch and a plane ticket home. Arrest and mugshot vs pinched nipples and lunch. What sounds more reasonable for a terrorist ?
When that suspect is not in this country it's hard to catch them. The programs targeted terrorist suspects in the Middle East talking to anyone in the US. If you weren't talking to them on the phone then you have privacy.
Guest

United States

#38 Jun 28, 2013
They only collected phone numbers and who they called and they went before the courts to get that. From that list they scanned for known terrorist phone numbers. When they find one they go before the court to get wire taps on that number.

They can care less if you were hooking up with girlfriend behind your wife's back, fools.
Lamer

Norwalk, OH

#39 Jun 28, 2013
Guest wrote:
They only collected phone numbers and who they called and they went before the courts to get that. From that list they scanned for known terrorist phone numbers. When they find one they go before the court to get wire taps on that number.
They can care less if you were hooking up with girlfriend behind your wife's back, fools.
They collect far more than that. Seems this whole time you have been trying to defend this program with wild speculation and misinformation. One could start to believe that you were a shill or sockpuppet of the gov.
Anonymous

Pittsburgh, PA

#40 Jun 28, 2013
Lamer wrote:
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or he could have been a spy, not released anything and simply passed on the info to his handlers and still have his job, his access, his hot g/f, house in hawaii, and be of much more use to whomever he was spying for.
so again, your speculation doesnt really make any sense that he is spying yet wanted to out himself and release data to the world rather than his handler. His actions do not back up your speculation.
The US government has charged Snowden with theft of classified material and espionage, and espionage means "spying".
Guest

United States

#41 Jun 28, 2013
Lamer wrote:
<quoted text>They collect far more than that. Seems this whole time you have been trying to defend this program with wild speculation and misinformation. One could start to believe that you were a shill or sockpuppet of the gov.
According to the Verizon info, it was only numbers called and time called.

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