Activists: State should end all Confe...

Activists: State should end all Confederate memorials

There are 218 comments on the Creative Loafing Atlanta story from Jul 10, 2014, titled Activists: State should end all Confederate memorials. In it, Creative Loafing Atlanta reports that:

MOVE ON: After changing the Georgia flag and removing statue of a racist in front of the Capitol , academic and activist want state to do more.

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Yep

Albany, GA

#222 Aug 7, 2014
TOM wrote:
<quoted text>
Yep, give it some thought in time you will get it.
nope. The Buffalo Soldiers were not involved in a Civil War. They were carrying out orders from their government, as bad as those orders might have been, they did not declare war on my country. The fact that US troops (mostly white, some black) killed Native Americans has nothing to do with the Civil War. Where did you take American History?
Yep

Albany, GA

#223 Aug 7, 2014
TOM wrote:
<quoted text>
All the more reason for you to get to work bring in "500" Company's. Seems you are a glass half empty type of guy. And you know what you never will have a full glass. If you think it's bad...it will be.
I'll just bet if you spend the time you waste on this monument doing some thing to bring in "500" Company's you just might get one. Heck, any good company is a help. Jobs, less crimes.
But you have that CSA monument that must go. Or, at least in your mind it does.
Yep, don't know who you are and I do not wish to know but, I have a question. How many people in Valdosta keeps yelling, "This CSA monument" must go?" Some one put a petition on Change. Org. to have the CSA art work taken off Stone Mountain and only received about 700 yes take it off votes. Most petitions on Change. Org. get thousands to tens of thousands of votes. The 700 votes was so low Change. Org. took it down. TV station in Atlanta received over 24 thousand votes to keep the art work to about 1,300 votes saying take it down. The Change. Org. goes nation wide and only received 700 votes to take down the art work out of millions of people in the U.S. There is a reason for this. And there is a reason for tens of thousands of people going to the Civil War Reenactments. You can take down the CSA monuments and hide them if you wish. But, is that being fair to some child who may wish to see it from say Arizona? If just given a bit of thought there are many reasons for that old monument to stay. Every one has a right to see and judge for themselves America's past where it's good or bad. You simply cannot be their dictator no matter your thoughts about the CSA monuments.
Then put them in a museum!!!! We don't need to memorialize armed insurrection against our government. We don't need to memorialize the enslavement of human beings. It was a shameful time in our history.

“Happiness comes through giving”

Since: Feb 08

Location hidden

#224 Aug 7, 2014
NeoNazi1991 wrote:
Free speech is being decimated
Obama is decimating our rights and constitution
We should be able to say whatever we want and fly any flag on government property, especially us real Americans
I don't see anyone putting up a big stink about the Che Guevara shirts in Urban Outfitters, so why should us whites bow to the blacks who want the Southrrn flag off government property
After all , democrats had slaves and voted against civil rights too
Therefore, slavery and lynchings are not really racist. But it was when the democrats did it
For the sake of your soul, I hope you're putting us on.
Yep

Albany, GA

#225 Aug 8, 2014
Lawrence Wolf wrote:
<quoted text>For the sake of your soul, I hope you're putting us on.
He's a sick troll, no one pays him any attention.
NeoNazi1991

Collegeville, PA

#226 Aug 8, 2014
No, Larry - Tom, Ted, STM, Beth, faketony, Jim Moran, and I are not "putting you on".

We are merely saying what the PC people won't say: whites are oppressed and lazy blacks have gamed the system in their favor

Look at the Martins!

I know Jim Moran would agree with me that they have exploited their own child's death for power and wealth. Today, they are one of the most powerful families in the country outside of the Waltons or the Baldwins or other Hollywood types who own everything and force laws on us

Also blacks force us into slavery and PCness
NeoNazi1991

Collegeville, PA

#227 Aug 8, 2014
I fail to see how I'm a troll when I am merely piggybacking off what Tom and Jim and STM have been saying all along

Blacks have gamed the system, whites are the real slaves, Obama persecutes good white gun owners like Zimmerman and Dunne and Wafer because he wants to take our guns an give them to Mexico...

Is nothing new

Tom has posted dozens of articles of rampant black mobs killing whites while Obama laughs it up in his watermelon garden

Yet the liberal media won't cover this

Only conservative treehouse and brietbart <rip> and stormfront will take a look at this issue

Long live Theodore Wafer (aka Christ)
TOM

Valdosta, GA

#230 Aug 8, 2014
Yep wrote:
<quoted text>nope. The Buffalo Soldiers were not involved in a Civil War. They were carrying out orders from their government, as bad as those orders might have been, they did not declare war on my country. The fact that US troops (mostly white, some black) killed Native Americans has nothing to do with the Civil War. Where did you take American History?
You did not get it. You say,:White" people in the Confederacy held dominance (slaves) over Blacks. And even the CSA monument here in Valdosta was put up to show "White" dominance over "Blacks".

Not only did Black Troops, fresh from the Civil War, hold dominance, high powered rifles over Bow and Arrows in most cases, over Native Americans they "Slaughter" them and received a pay check from the U.S. to do so. I guess what your saying is it's ok for the Blacks to "Slaughter" Native Americans and get paid for it because they were ordered to do so.

"Yep, states, "Why should any normal citizen of the US of A in the year 2014 want to force the descendants of slaves, people who could neither vote nor run for office when that monument was erected, why should any normal citizen advocate to keep such a retrograde symbol on our courthouse lawn and force people to pay for its upkeep when it was erected for one reason: to foster dominance of the white race over the black race."

Did the Blacks "Foster their dominance over Native Americans?" Or, any one? I believe History shows they did.

Two wrongs does not make for a right. And were you alive when all you say happen? I know I was not. Oh, it happen to your forefathers. Same thing for Native Americans. The race of people that caught the most hell was the Native America's. You can keep bring up the KKK and the Confederacy to sooth your mind if you wish but, it will never change the facts of what the Blacks and Whites did to the Native Americans.

Let me make some thing clear I do not agree with one owning slaves. As my Forefather were also held as slaves. I do not agree with anything the KKK has done. The Confederacy has been history for what 150 years. Let it go!!! Get a life!!!

Oh, lets go into my Forefathers a bit. My Forefathers were held as slaves by the English and they came to the US to keep from starving to death. History shows, and please read it, my Forefathers were below that of the Blacks slaves. Please read your history on this Yep, my Forefathers were call Ni---rs by the Blacks. My Forefathers were scum and Blacks held dominance over my Forefathers. When my Forefather were sold on the slave block the Black slaves brought more money. The Women of my Forefather were breed by Black slaves to produces a stronger person for slave work. My Forefathers were not only beat by slave mastsers they were killed. Why? The Black slave had more value so they were just beat.Read your history Yep!!

My Forefather's country was taken by the English. The Beatiles had a song on this.

Yep, with all of your wisdom, what should I do? Oh gee, lets take down, burn down all English flags that fly in the U.S. and anything else that pertains to England. Dumb, Dumb, Dumb!!!

Do I have hard feeling towards the English..... no. This is history. Some thing to think about but certainly not let it control your life in any way. So why keep crying about it? Heck, most people that reads this did not know anything about it. That's good! It should stay in the past. And I'm sorry to bore you with this. Just trying to make a point.

When all Confederate Monuments etc. are gone..........then what Yep? Then what? Over and over I've seen you use the word "Whites". If the "White" race was destroyed would you be happy then? I submit the Confederate Monument is an excuse to, in some way, punish "White" people for their Forefather's bad deeds. Sad.

Yep, sorry but the Black race is not the only race that's been through trials and tribulations.

Since: Oct 08

Alpharetta, GA

#231 Aug 8, 2014
Lawrence Wolf wrote:
<quoted text>You can pick a little less cotton. Madras shorts are soooo passe.
when them cotton balls get rotten, you can't pick very much cotton.
TOM

Valdosta, GA

#232 Aug 8, 2014
Yep wrote:
<quoted text>Robert e Lee is not on the Courthouse lawn although his name is on Lee street. The issue is not limited to the Lowndes courthouse and there are other courthouses with monuments that include the Confederate flag. If you say it means nothing then let's remove it. The issue has nothing to do with what Lincoln said about Lee. How do you defend Forrest Street named for the founder of the KKK? If I saw a cloud formation shaped like REE I would say "there's a cloud!" You do know that my government to which I pay taxes does not build and maintain clouds ?
WTH?!!
Yep, before I read in the newspaper about these street names I had no idea where these names came from. And Frankly, they still are just names. That is, unless you want me to hate these names, at which I will not, because the people are dead and have been for some time. Lets see, Forrest Street to me means a walk down a street with Pine Trees, Oaks, and to breath the fresh air. Ah, Forrest Street= refreshing! Yep's vision of Forrest Street. Members of the KKK and the whole Confederate Army marching down Forrest Street. Lets, destroy Forrest Street. Hell, lets just destroy Valdosta and let Yep and Mr.Rose put in their own design. Let them take over where Hitler left off. If I don't like it destroy it. Make it my way!

Yep, dead people cannot cause harm to no one. They are dead......get it?
TOM

Valdosta, GA

#233 Aug 8, 2014
Yep, states," You do know that my government to which I pay taxes does not build and maintain clouds ? "

Ya think!!! Does your Government make me pay taxes or, is it just you that carries this burden? If you are the only one that pays taxes then I'm sorry and I'll shut my mouth. I'll add a thank you for your wonderful gift.

But no, you are being taxed without representation. And it only took 111 years to figure this out? Hey, news flash I had no representation at that time because I was not alive. If any one was Taxed without Representation it may have been your Forefathers. Another news flash......they are not alive.

Those pesky English.
The slogan "no taxation without representation" was coined by the American colonists of the original 13 colonies, beginning around 1750. The idea behind the words related to taxing the colonies on imports such as sugar and tea.

The English Bill of Rights of 1689 determined taxation of its citizens without representatives in British Parliament illegal. However, the British taxed the colonists, who had no representative in Parliament. In 1773, colonists threw shiploads of taxed tea into the Boston Harbor, in a protest called The Boston Tea Party. The Tea Party escalated differences between the colonists and the British king, and was one of the main precursors to the American Revolutionary War.

“Happiness comes through giving”

Since: Feb 08

Location hidden

#234 Aug 8, 2014
inbred Genius wrote:
<quoted text>
when them cotton balls get rotten, you can't pick very much cotton.
Look away, look away........
Grandpa

Albany, GA

#236 Aug 8, 2014
TOM wrote:
<quoted text>
You did not get it. You say,:White" people in the Confederacy held dominance (slaves) over Blacks. And even the CSA monument here in Valdosta was put up to show "White" dominance over "Blacks".
Not only did Black Troops, fresh from the Civil War, hold dominance, high powered rifles over Bow and Arrows in most cases, over Native Americans they "Slaughter" them and received a pay check from the U.S. to do so. I guess what your saying is it's ok for the Blacks to "Slaughter" Native Americans and get paid for it because they were ordered to do so.
"Yep, states, "Why should any normal citizen of the US of A in the year 2014 want to force the descendants of slaves, people who could neither vote nor run for office when that monument was erected, why should any normal citizen advocate to keep such a retrograde symbol on our courthouse lawn and force people to pay for its upkeep when it was erected for one reason: to foster dominance of the white race over the black race."
Did the Blacks "Foster their dominance over Native Americans?" Or, any one? I believe History shows they did.
Two wrongs does not make for a right. And were you alive when all you say happen? I know I was not. Oh, it happen to your forefathers. Same thing for Native Americans. The race of people that caught the most hell was the Native America's. You can keep bring up the KKK and the Confederacy to sooth your mind if you wish but, it will never change the facts of what the Blacks and Whites did to the Native Americans.
Let me make some thing clear I do not agree with one owning slaves. As my Forefather were also held as slaves. I do not agree with anything the KKK has done. The Confederacy has been history for what 150 years. Let it go!!! Get a life!!!
Oh, lets go into my Forefathers a bit. My Forefathers were held as slaves by the English and they came to the US to keep from starving to death. History shows, and please read it, my Forefathers were below that of the Blacks slaves. Please read your history on this Yep, my Forefathers were call Ni---rs by the Blacks. My Forefathers were scum and Blacks held dominance over my Forefathers. When my Forefather were sold on the slave block the Black slaves brought more money. The Women of my Forefather were breed by Black slaves to produces a stronger person for slave work. My Forefathers were not only beat by slave mastsers they were killed. Why? The Black slave had more value so they were just beat.Read your history Yep!!
My Forefather's country was taken by the English. The Beatiles had a song on this.
Yep, with all of your wisdom, what should I do? Oh gee, lets take down, burn down all English flags that fly in the U.S. and anything else that pertains to England. Dumb, Dumb, Dumb!!!
Do I have hard feeling towards the English..... no. This is history. Some thing to think about but certainly not let it control your life in any way. So why keep crying about it? Heck, most people that reads this did not know anything about it. That's good! It should stay in the past. And I'm sorry to bore you with this. Just trying to make a point.
When all Confederate Monuments etc. are gone..........then what Yep? Then what? Over and over I've seen you use the word "Whites". If the "White" race was destroyed would you be happy then? I submit the Confederate Monument is an excuse to, in some way, punish "White" people for their Forefather's bad deeds. Sad.
Yep, sorry but the Black race is not the only race that's been through trials and tribulations.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =kaO4XeHhwo8XX
Son, you have no idea what analogies are, do you?

Native American genocide not pertinent to Civil War. If you don't understand that, then go sit down with an American History teacher. A real one. Not one from Bob Jones University.
Grandpa

Albany, GA

#237 Aug 8, 2014
TOM wrote:
Yep, states," You do know that my government to which I pay taxes does not build and maintain clouds ? "
Ya think!!! Does your Government make me pay taxes or, is it just you that carries this burden? If you are the only one that pays taxes then I'm sorry and I'll shut my mouth. I'll add a thank you for your wonderful gift.
But no, you are being taxed without representation. And it only took 111 years to figure this out? Hey, news flash I had no representation at that time because I was not alive. If any one was Taxed without Representation it may have been your Forefathers. Another news flash......they are not alive.
Those pesky English.
The slogan "no taxation without representation" was coined by the American colonists of the original 13 colonies, beginning around 1750. The idea behind the words related to taxing the colonies on imports such as sugar and tea.
The English Bill of Rights of 1689 determined taxation of its citizens without representatives in British Parliament illegal. However, the British taxed the colonists, who had no representative in Parliament. In 1773, colonists threw shiploads of taxed tea into the Boston Harbor, in a protest called The Boston Tea Party. The Tea Party escalated differences between the colonists and the British king, and was one of the main precursors to the American Revolutionary War.
I think you might be needing some guidance in the areas of deductive reasoning and analysis.

Maybe you could take a Learning in Retirement class at VSU. Don't take a class with the professor that keeps the Confederate flag on his wall; he's a loony toon.
Grandpa

Albany, GA

#238 Aug 8, 2014
TOM wrote:
<quoted text>
Yep, before I read in the newspaper about these street names I had no idea where these names came from. And Frankly, they still are just names. That is, unless you want me to hate these names, at which I will not, because the people are dead and have been for some time. Lets see, Forrest Street to me means a walk down a street with Pine Trees, Oaks, and to breath the fresh air. Ah, Forrest Street= refreshing! Yep's vision of Forrest Street. Members of the KKK and the whole Confederate Army marching down Forrest Street. Lets, destroy Forrest Street. Hell, lets just destroy Valdosta and let Yep and Mr.Rose put in their own design. Let them take over where Hitler left off. If I don't like it destroy it. Make it my way!
Yep, dead people cannot cause harm to no one. They are dead......get it?
Son, you cannot see the FOREST for the trees!
TOM

Valdosta, GA

#239 Aug 8, 2014
"Yep, states, "Why should any normal citizen of the US of A in the year 2014 want to force the descendants of slaves, people who could neither vote nor run for office when that monument was erected, why should any normal citizen advocate to keep such a retrograde symbol on our courthouse lawn and force people to pay for its upkeep when it was erected for one reason: to foster dominance of the white race over the black race."

Better question, "Why would any normal descendant of slaves in the year 2014 enslave themselves with the burden of remembering the crap that happen 111 to 150 years ago?" If the CSA monument is taken down this will go on and on much like a cancer that will destroy you life. You do not get it, "You have enslaved yourselves".

Is so far as the CSA monument.....take down, move it, or use C-4 to blow it to small pieces. It will be your loss not mine. You do not get it. This monument does not, has not, and will not control my life. I will not be enslaved by a monument or a Street name.

Yep, I've said my piece as it were now you and Mr. Rose can do what you wish. In so far as taxes. When the CSA Monument comes down I expect to be credited on my taxes. I am sure it will be enough for me to take a trip to Hawaii.
TOM

Valdosta, GA

#240 Aug 8, 2014
Grandpa wrote:
<quoted text> Son, you have no idea what analogies are, do you?
Native American genocide not pertinent to Civil War. If you don't understand that, then go sit down with an American History teacher. A real one. Not one from Bob Jones University.
You do not get it.........sad.

Since: Oct 08

Alpharetta, GA

#241 Aug 8, 2014
anybody that things the south is/was prejudiced, should watch two movies, and compare the stereotypes....gone with the wind, and Don't be a menace to society while drinking your juice in the hood. One will make you cry, the other will make you laugh
TOM

Valdosta, GA

#242 Aug 8, 2014
Grandpa wrote:
<quoted text> I think you might be needing some guidance in the areas of deductive reasoning and analysis.
Maybe you could take a Learning in Retirement class at VSU. Don't take a class with the professor that keeps the Confederate flag on his wall; he's a loony toon.
No...Florida State.

Since: Oct 08

Alpharetta, GA

#243 Aug 8, 2014
Grandpa wrote:
<quoted text>
Son, you cannot see the FOREST for the trees!
I think he was referring to the Honorable Nathan Bedford Forrest ( 2 R's) A hero who has not been properly recognized.
TOM

Valdosta, GA

#244 Aug 8, 2014
Grandpa wrote:
<quoted text>
Son, you cannot see the FOREST for the trees!
Oh, I understand the spelling ok. Just telling you what I see by the sound on this Street. If you see it as bad..........it will be.

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