Barack Obama sees worst poll rating drop in 50 years

[Savant]

Mac-7 wrote:

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Don't they?
Americans do not like Obama's policies.
If they don't believe Obama knows what he's doing and is going in the wrong direction then maybe they really don't like him very much, but are afraid to say so when the lib pollsters ask them.

Thus far, Obama's approval rating remains over 50%, about 52--57% according to polls taken within the last two or three weeks.
As for policies,they vary. I think Obama is going to have more problems with Afghanistan than with healh care. A majority seem to approve the public option. And a majority of physicians support it too, and would love to have gone all the way to single-payer health care. But Obama took that off the table in the early days.
It's too bad Barack Obama isn't as left wing as conservatives believe he is. He's still a CENRIST liberal. I wish he was a MILITANT fighter for health care and eonomic justice.

[Savant]

Elvan wrote:

Devin Wrote:
That's the same strategy that ruined the American Econmy under the Republican leadership over the last 14 years out of 16 years that Congress was lead by the Republicans. >>Devin
You're back and you're still wrong. The economy was doing just fine until the Dems took over in 2006...it was in all the papers.

Actually, the economy was in the black rather than the red when George W. Bush took and his neoconservative buddies took over.
The economy tanked under the Republican watch. However, I'm not sure whether this is due to bad policies by either party, or whether these economic crises are simply inherent to the inner workings of capitalism.

[Tyranny And Control]

This so called healthcare bill is nothing less than the Government bossing its citizens around.
Forcing us to buy something we don't need and don't want.
Plus they want to tax us for the honor. And on top of that they want to hold and control all of our records so they will have us by the testicles.
We will have no choice but to do whatever they tell us to do.

Our government has forgotten that it works for us--this is how civil wars begin and the very reason our founding fathers gifted us the 2nd ammendment.

When people fear their government you have tyrrany
When government fears their people you have democracy.

[shamrock]

Chicago Guy wrote:

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If it was easy to pass healthcare reform, it would've passed 60 years ago.
But the public won't be fooled by the lies of the right any longer.
The system is woefully broken. Overhaul is desperately needed.
The AMA sees it. The AARP sees it.
Now, you can call them "liberal shills" all you want to, but it doesn't change facts. Where is any equally reputable group of seniors or doctors coming out against reform?
But you're right on one thing: despite all the loony rantings of so many idiots on Topix, the bill won't be repealed once it's passed, no matter who takes office.
And that is a great relief to those millions of us who support the reform.

I noticed you did not address my comments especially about lawmakers wanting to pass this before they went home for another recess and being forced to face voters. If the majority of voters were so eager for this to pass, the lawmakers should not have been afraid to face those voters after voting yea.

The AMA? Do you know now only about 17% of doctors belong to the AMA? They have been losing membership for years. AARP has lost mamy members also, since they started saying they supported this bill. Seniors and doctors are out there; Obama just doesn't invite them to the White House.

Well, it hasn't passed yet.

[Savant]

Tyranny And Control wrote:

This so called healthcare bill is nothing less than the Government bossing its citizens around.
Forcing us to buy something we don't need and don't want.
Plus they want to tax us for the honor. And on top of that they want to hold and control all of our records so they will have us by the testicles.
We will have no choice but to do whatever they tell us to do.
Our government has forgotten that it works for us--this is how civil wars begin and the very reason our founding fathers gifted us the 2nd ammendment.
When people fear their government you have tyrrany
When government fears their people you have democracy.

Interesting you should make those last two statements. Michael Moore notes that in France (which has universal health care) the government fears the people; but in America (which lacks universal health care) people fear the government.
And that's probably why we have the least progressive public policies and forms of taxation among industrialized nations.
Our people are passive, and corporate elites run government and frame the issues for us.

[shamrock]

Chicago Guy wrote:

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Wow. Thanks for the link to the hyper-partisan anti-healthcare website.
How will you get hit with $10K a year in extra taxes, BTW? Where did you get that figure?

They are hyper-partisan because you say so and because you disagree with then?
Are you saying the AMA and AARP are not hyper-partisan?

Guess that is a matter of opinion.

[Savant]

Tyranny And Control wrote:

This so called healthcare bill is nothing less than the Government bossing its citizens around.
Forcing us to buy something we don't need and don't want.
Plus they want to tax us for the honor. And on top of that they want to hold and control all of our records so they will have us by the testicles.
We will have no choice but to do whatever they tell us to do.
Our government has forgotten that it works for us--this is how civil wars begin and the very reason our founding fathers gifted us the 2nd ammendment.
When people fear their government you have tyrrany
When government fears their people you have democracy.

Where were these conservative protests about tyrannical "big government" when the previous administration (with support of BOTH parties) shoved the repressive Patriot Act down our throats? While Habeas Corpus was being gutted? Where is the conservative protests when huge amounts of taxes are poured into military build up and cruel and wasteful wars? The founding fathers were suspicious of large standing armies. Nowadays if you don't empty the nation's treasury in support of such military giants you're seen by the Right as wimpy liberals.
It is only when funds are for the COMMON GOOD, such as health care and education, that conservatives start worrying about government oppression and profligate spending.

[shamrock]

Robert Newell wrote:

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First of all, http://www.60plus.org/ is a legitimate seniors group for which you asked for an example.
The healthcrime bill will tax my health insurance premium 40%. Since my premiums are over $25,000 per year, that equates to over $10,000 per year in additional tax.
BTW, I don't have an extra $10,000 a year in my budget.

That is an obscene and confiscatory tax. No one should pay a 40% tax on anythng at any time on any anount of money.

But, the liberals don't care. You have better health insurance than they do; they want it; so you must pay.
They are always willing and anxious to give to others, but they always want to do it with the money of others, not their own.

[Mac-7]

Savant wrote:

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Thus far, Obama's approval rating remains over 50%, about 52--57% according to polls taken within the last two or three weeks.
As for policies,they vary. I think Obama is going to have more problems with Afghanistan than with healh care. A majority seem to approve the public option. And a majority of physicians support it too, and would love to have gone all the way to single-payer health care. But Obama took that off the table in the early days.
It's too bad Barack Obama isn't as left wing as conservatives believe he is. He's still a CENRIST liberal. I wish he was a MILITANT fighter for health care and eonomic justice.

"Thus far, Obama's approval rating remains over 50%, about 52--57% according to polls taken within the last two or three weeks."

Actually about 40% to 57% depending on which poll you quote.

The lying lib polls can hide Obama's slipping poll numbers for a while by polling more Democrats than Republicans or independents, but the only poll that matters is the one conducted on election day.

Last Tuesday we got evidence that Obama is becoming ever more isolated from the American people.

And we'll probably get more proof in 2010 if he doesn't back off his far left agenda.

[shamrock]

Back On Track wrote:

We were betrayed by Pres.(baby) Bush both terms. Bush decided to be a dictator and not follow any of the rules, only the rules he made up as he went along. Pres. Obama deserves a chance. Pres. Obama was aware of the shape the country was in, and how other countries felt about the US and the challenges he was up against. With all that in mind, he was still willing to run for the Presidency. Pres. Obama did not create the mess we are in yet he is being blamed for all of it. The catastrophe that George W. Bush created in 8 years will take more than 8 years to clean up. It can’t be done overnight. Instead of supporting Pres. Obama, people are pointing fingers at him. Point your fingers at George W. Bush, he got us into this and was able to walk off the job because his term was over. He could have been impeached, but because of the deals made behind closed doors he was able to finish his term. We also have the citizens that hate him because of his color and don’t care about anything else. I say to those people, go live in an other country. This is the United States of America. If you don’t like it, get out of here and see how far you get in an other country starting racist problems there. We all need to get together and get this Country back on track. For those of you who don’t like the elected President, well you have four years to find someone that you think can do a better job for the Country.

This is indeed, the United States of America, a country like no other.

The liberals want and are trying to change this country to be like every other country. Some of you keep saying "If you don't like it here, leave, or go to another country." The point is, some of us don't want to live in those other courntries; we want to live the the United States of America. If all of you think others countries are so great, and this country is so bad, selfish, and uncaring, why don't you go to one of those countries and leave America as the only place for freedoms and choice?

[Robert Newell]

Savant wrote:

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Where were these conservative protests about tyrannical "big government" when the previous administration (with support of BOTH parties) shoved the repressive Patriot Act down our throats? While Habeas Corpus was being gutted? Where is the conservative protests when huge amounts of taxes are poured into military build up and cruel and wasteful wars? The founding fathers were suspicious of large standing armies. Nowadays if you don't empty the nation's treasury in support of such military giants you're seen by the Right as wimpy liberals.
It is only when funds are for the COMMON GOOD, such as health care and education, that conservatives start worrying about government oppression and profligate spending.

The goal of the Constitution is to PROVIDE for the common defense and PROMOTE (not provide) the general welfare.

[shamrock]

Elvan wrote:

Devin Wrote:
That's the same strategy that ruined the American Econmy under the Republican leadership over the last 14 years out of 16 years that Congress was lead by the Republicans. >>Devin
You're back and you're still wrong. The economy was doing just fine until the Dems took over in 2006...it was in all the papers.

Do you remember the 2006 election when Pelosi said "I guarantee that if we are elected, we will bring the price of gasoline down?" Well, the Democrats were elected and gas rose to over $4.00/gal. What happened? Who blamed Pelosi?
Gas prices are up again, but no one is saying anything about the increase in gasoline prices; no one is saying Obama's oil buddies are getting rich. Increased prices haven't even been mentioned.

[Voice of Sanity]

Savant wrote:

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Interesting you should make those last two statements. Michael Moore notes that in France (which has universal health care) the government fears the people; but in America (which lacks universal health care) people fear the government.
And that's probably why we have the least progressive public policies and forms of taxation among industrialized nations.
Our people are passive, and corporate elites run government and frame the issues for us.

In France and England, there is now, because of governmental controls over healthcare, a crisis in the form of a doctor shortage. Doctors must be "imported" from other countries, and often are poorly trained and surely NOT what you would want for yourself or your family, no matter who is paying for it.

[Voice of Sanity]

shamrock wrote:

<quoted text>This is indeed, the United States of America, a country like no other.
The liberals want and are trying to change this country to be like every other country. Some of you keep saying "If you don't like it here, leave, or go to another country." The point is, some of us don't want to live in those other courntries; we want to live the the United States of America. If all of you think others countries are so great, and this country is so bad, selfish, and uncaring, why don't you go to one of those countries and leave America as the only place for freedoms and choice?

I know people who would gladly fund their one-way airline ticket!

Those of us who love, honor and respect our country for what it is, will stay, thank you very much.

[shamrock]

Savant wrote:

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Where were these conservative protests about tyrannical "big government" when the previous administration (with support of BOTH parties) shoved the repressive Patriot Act down our throats? While Habeas Corpus was being gutted? Where is the conservative protests when huge amounts of taxes are poured into military build up and cruel and wasteful wars? The founding fathers were suspicious of large standing armies. Nowadays if you don't empty the nation's treasury in support of such military giants you're seen by the Right as wimpy liberals.
It is only when funds are for the COMMON GOOD, such as health care and education, that conservatives start worrying about government oppression and profligate spending.

The Federal Govenment is charged to "provide for the common defense" and "promote the general welfare"
Provide and promote have two different meanings.

[shamrock]

Robert Newell wrote:

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The goal of the Constitution is to PROVIDE for the common defense and PROMOTE (not provide) the general welfare.

Robert, I replied with my post before I read yours.

It appears you and I have read the same document, the Constitution.

[Voice of Sanity]

Savant wrote:

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Where were these conservative protests about tyrannical "big government" when the previous administration (with support of BOTH parties) shoved the repressive Patriot Act down our throats? While Habeas Corpus was being gutted? Where is the conservative protests when huge amounts of taxes are poured into military build up and cruel and wasteful wars? The founding fathers were suspicious of large standing armies. Nowadays if you don't empty the nation's treasury in support of such military giants you're seen by the Right as wimpy liberals.
It is only when funds are for the COMMON GOOD, such as health care and education, that conservatives start worrying about government oppression and profligate spending.

I respectfully submit for your consideration, one important fact you have omitted from your last sentence. You state that expenditures of "funds" for the "common good", such as healthcare and education create "worry" among conservatives. Well, you are absolutely correct. And if you were aware of the impetus for such proposed expenditures, you would be "worried" as well. That is, unless you are a communist adherent.

The two areas a government can most easily gain control of a people is through their healthcare and through their education. If the government proposes any increase in expenditures in those two areas, citizens should see a big "red flag" and look very closely at exactly what is being proposed, at what cost and if there is a "control" factor, which there always will be.

I don't wish to be unkind, but, quite often liberal-minded folks, in their "rush" to see that what they perceive as "good" is installed and implemented as quickly as possible, do not take the time or make the effort to delve deeper into the issues they are touting support of.....a very worthwhile endeavor, especially when it comes to anything being proposed by the government.

[Mac-7]

Robert Newell wrote:

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The goal of the Constitution is to PROVIDE for the common defense and PROMOTE (not provide) the general welfare.

Well said.

[Vance1]

Barack Obama sees worst poll rating drop in 50 years

and after healthcare....falling lower and lower
end of story

[Devin]

Mac-7 wrote:

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"You've been forecasting failure since nov 2008 and it's not happened yet."
Really?
Only a confirmed America-hater like Obama would consider 10.2% unemployment a success.
Or after kissing the Russian's butt and stabbing Poland and the Czech Republic in the back he's no closer to reigning in the mad mullahs in Iran than ever.

Why are you affraid of Russians? The Russian Empire has folded. When the Russians sought help America danced in the Street as if it mean some kind of Victory.

Why is there still such a fear of Russia, Russia has adopted to Capitalism and are making in roads just like america had to after WW II, why Hate Russia still?

Poland and the Chezc Republic were part of the once Soviet Union, if the Europeans didn't want Missiles who is America to just impose their will on Europe and insist on installing a Missile Base. Would you feel the Same way if the Mexicans wanted to put a Missile Base downtown Dallas, Texas?

If the Missile Base is desired why can't poland built and operate a Missile Base? If a Missile Base was needed in Poland, why is NATO opposed to building the Missile Base in Europe?

It's those cowboy attitudes that has America in waist deep muck in Asia now. As with the Economy George Bush running wild and talking out of turn demanded America put a Missile Base in Poland. He's done enough to destroy America that's why the European and NATO had no regard for George Bush.