Thousands Protest Roe V. Wade Decision

Thousands Protest Roe V. Wade Decision

There are 311496 comments on the Newsday story from Jan 22, 2008, titled Thousands Protest Roe V. Wade Decision. In it, Newsday reports that:

Thousands of abortion opponents marched from the National Mall to the Supreme Court on Tuesday in their annual remembrance of the court's Roe v. Wade decision.

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“Rockabye”

Since: May 11

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#262361 Oct 6, 2012
Doc Degall wrote:
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No it hasn't ya pea brain. Never assume. Of course if the medical technology that will enable a fetus to survive does not exist then the fetus is not viable. There are prematurely born fetuses that are born today that are physiologically identical to those born 100 years ago that were not considered viable then but are today because of the medical technology thet exists today. Just how stupid are you ?
<quoted text>
Really ? Not dependent on medical technolgy ?
Then where does this MEDICAL definition come from genius ?
http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.c...
viable infant
Neonatology An infant who is likely to survive to the point of sustaining life independently, given the benefit of available medical therapy
This is from a legit medical dictionary ( McGraw Hill Concise Dictionary of Modern Medicine )
Your turn now.
You come up with a medical definition of viability that defines it exclusively WITHOUT medical assistance.
Do you need me to read it to you as well?

"The following functions, taken together, constitute the minimal number of basic integrative physiologic functions to support an inference of viability:
(1) Perfusion of tissues with adequate oxygen and prevention of increasing accumulation of carbon dioxide and/or lactic and other organic acids. This function consists of the following components:
(a) inflation of the lungs with oxygen,
(b) transfer of oxygen across the alveolar membranes into the circulation and elimination of carbon dioxide from the circulation into the expired
gas, and
(c) Cardiac contractions of sufficient strength and regularity to
distribute oxygenated blood to tissues and organs throughout the body, and to eliminate organic acids from those tissues and organs.
(2) Neurologic regulation of the components of the cardio-respiratory perfusion function, of the capacity to ingest nutrients, and of spontaneous and reflex muscle movements.
https://scholarworks.iupui.edu/bitstream/hand...

Since: Jun 08

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#262362 Oct 6, 2012
AyakaNeo wrote:
<quoted text>You don't actually need to work as a nurse to call yourself a nurse. You need to pass the exam and get your degree first.
You don't have to be an experienced nurse to know what I told you in the post he chose to critique. Just like you don't have to be a pregnant woman to know what Doc says he knows about pregnancy. He just thinks I shouldn't talk about being a nurse. Sorry if I seem immodest, but no one has to read or pay attention to my posts.

“Rockabye”

Since: May 11

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#262363 Oct 6, 2012
elise in burque wrote:
<quoted text>You don't have to be an experienced nurse to know what I told you in the post he chose to critique. Just like you don't have to be a pregnant woman to know what Doc says he knows about pregnancy. He just thinks I shouldn't talk about being a nurse. Sorry if I seem immodest, but no one has to read or pay attention to my posts.
He is just a blithering name-caller the others take their cues from, Elise. I often imagine him sitting at the keyboard with spittle running down his chin and in need of a good shave, fresh clothes, and breath mints.

Since: Jun 08

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#262364 Oct 6, 2012
Doc Degall wrote:
<quoted text>
Maybe it wasn't the best of analogies. Why not ask Bitter if she's in a jewelry store and attempts to steal a diamond ring by ingesting it, does she own it because it is inside of her ???
I think a better question would be, would anyone want to buy it after its little journey? It should be discounted, at least.

“Pro-Life”

Since: Dec 10

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#262365 Oct 6, 2012
LiIrabbitfoofoo wrote:
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False. All I've said is what you and dozens of others have said, INCLUDING medical sites. A D&C is a D&C no matter WHAT the purpose its being done for. Nothing more, nothing less.
You're a liar. I proved it before and can keep proving it.

http://www.topix.com/forum/news/abortion/T833 ...

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lil Lily wrote:

<quoted text>
~"I don't need to, I'm not ignorant regarding what I'm talking about.
You're in nursing school and you're going to suggest that what Peter says is a fact?
An "abortion" procedure is performed for a dead fetus; in other words for a miscarriage? Yikes, hope you're not near graduation anytime soon.
The procedure that's done is not to abort the fetus, but to simply remove the fetus so there's no necrotic tissue left in the uterus and done to prevent sepsis.
The "dead fetus" is "delivered" if it's too big for the body to expell it naturally. It's not aborted, as Peter so ignorantly claimed, and you seem to be suggesting he's right by suggesting I should read a medical text. Maybe you should, especially if you're going to be a nurse one day.
http://www.thepregnancyzone.com/labor-deliver ...
"Normally, since pregnancy is a normal process, the woman usually detects fetal death due to the absence of fetal movement and the normal process follows with ~~~the uterus detecting this and naturally expelling the dead fetus~~~.
In some instances however, it stays a bit longer from 3 days to 6 weeks. In these rare cases,~~~induction of the labor process~~~ may be done or in still rarer cases ~~~dilatation and curettage~~~ or ~~~cesarean section~~~ may be necessary."
No "abortion" needed for a dead fetus, not even late term, as I stated and now proved, with a link."~

Foo's reply back in Jan.:
~"Your "pregnancy zone" is not a medical text Lynne you idiot. A D7C or a D&E are done, and those are surgical ABORTION procedures as has been shown.

You're a pathetic ole thing."~

That isn't a selective cut and paste as you lied about before. That's the entire post. I spoke of miscarriages early and late term, and you called both D&C and D&E "surgical abortion procedures".

If you didn't mean that's what they were in reference to miscarriages, you wouldn't have posted that reply to my post talking only about miscarriages, you dimwitted liar.

Foo's lie now: "All I've said is what you and dozens of others have said, INCLUDING medical sites. A D&C is a D&C no matter WHAT the purpose its being done for. Nothing more, nothing less."

No, you've said a D&C for miscarriage is a "sugical ABORTION procedure", as I have stated you've said, and proved yet again.

“Pro-Life”

Since: Dec 10

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#262367 Oct 6, 2012
You even tried to educate me about it. lol

http://www.topix.com/forum/news/abortion/T833...
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The entire post I wrote and you're replk. I'm leaving links and post numbers. Go look for yourself.

lil Lily wrote:

<quoted text>
~"Wow, your ignorance is mindboggling.
Abortion only refers to the "procedure" of induced abortions. It does not refer to any procedure of spontaneous abortions.
You can't just take part of a definition and use it out of context.
The entire definition has an (a) and a (b) part. The (a) part is about spontaneous abortion or miscarriage and it states it clearly after the definition "compare miscarriage". They couldn't be more clear than that to metaphorically slap some sense into a bonehead like you, so you have some chance of understanding what that particluar part of the definition "abortion" means. Part (b) is about induced abortion.
The entire definition is:
1: the termination of a pregnancy after, accompanied by, resulting in, or closely followed by the death of the embryo or fetus: a: spontaneous expulsion of a human fetus during the first 12 weeks of gestation—~~~compare miscarriage~~~
The word "termination" is from the word terminate and just means 'come to and end', which includes naturally, as in miscarriage.
Here's the other part of the definition that does mean the procedure of induced abortion.
b: induced expulsion of a human fetus c: expulsion of a fetus of a domestic animal often due to infection at any time before completion of pregnancy
Again, nowhere does the definition say that an "abortion" is done for a dead fetus.
Epic fail to prove your claim. Your inability to understand definitions and trying to make them mean what they don't mean doesn't constitute proof. "~

Foo's reply,

~"Lynne, stop being a moron already. From that same link:

Main Entry: dilation and curettage
Function: noun
: a medical procedure in which the uterine cervix is dilated and a curette is inserted into the uterus to scrape away the endometrium (as for the diagnosis or treatment of abnormal bleeding or for surgical abortion during the early part of the second trimester of pregnancy)—called also D&C

Main Entry: dilation and evacuation
Function: noun
: a surgical abortion that is typically performed midway during the second trimester of pregnancy and in which the uterine cervix is dilated and fetal tissue is removed using surgical instruments (as a forceps and curette) and suction—called also D&E

These are ALL forms of ABORTION to remove fetal matter from the uterus.

Growthefuckup Lynne. "~

You post about the procedure of D&C and then claim it's an ABORTION procedure, lke you know what you're talking about? lol. You're the moron and the liar, because women who aren't even pregnant can have D&C's. NOW you think you can post as though you know what you're talking about, and as though you've said what we've been saying all along, when those of us here at that time know darn well you were calling D&C's for miscrriages abortion procedures. Funny stuff.
Huskerlicious

United States

#262368 Oct 6, 2012
LiIrabbitfoofoo wrote:
<quoted text>Gee Knutbar, I thought it was some MOther that was the head crusher of your twisted version of "faith".
ROFLMAO! Sorry Knutbar, after your version of g-d removes his foot from your behind, its your hell, you're free to burn in it. My Lord doesn't put his feet on anyone's head. In fact, he doesn't HAVE "feet". You DO understand that G-d is SPIRITUAL right Knutter?
The Blessed Mother will crush the serpents head, you will indeed cower when that happens. God can have feet if He wants, after all He is God . You have a lot to fear.

“qui tacet consentire ”

Since: Oct 12

Detroit

#262369 Oct 6, 2012
OLD LADY wrote:
<quoted text>
Yikes! I was just pointing out its not an easy thing to adopt a child. You are picking out a few folks,who you think will not,or have said they will not.(which is extraordinary anyone would actually admit to that,in this debate.) We can do something,if we can't adopt,for whatever reason,big brother or sister comes to mind. Here are some others.
http://www.heartsandminds.org/links/childlink... :)
I responded to a poster who said that aborting a fetus at just about any stage was "killing a human", and then her answer to it all was adoption. I'm sorry, but it's just not that simple. I dont really know your opinions on this OL so I'm not directing this at you, I'm just going to state my view on this.
So many on the PL side want to make real life decisions for women who find them self with an unwanted pregnancy, yet they look at the world through rose colored glasses immune to reality, or worse, they think their "god" will make everything work out alright for that woman and child, again, immune from reality. The reality of outlawing abortion is that it will overburden the adoption system and many babies, kids will wind up in homes only to be abused. Many women who chose not to give up the babies will raise them in dysfunctional, neglectful homes. The reality is that our jails are filled with people that grew up in such homes and are a danger to society, to you, and your family. I live near Detroit and every night on the news is another story of an unfortunate kid, or woman, or father killed for a few bucks or their car, or some other stupid reason. God didn't save those victims, and the perpetrator wasnt saved by a loving family or community so that his life worked out happily ever after.
I know that many on the PL side say that people have to be responsible for their actions and should never abort, well I say, the PL side has to be responsible for their solutions, and forcing women into unwanted motherhood, or over whelming the adoption system is not a reasonable answer in today's society. The answers have to start with birth control and limited unwanted pregnancies, and unfortunately, yes, allowing abortion in early stages of pregnancy.

“Pro-Life”

Since: Dec 10

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#262370 Oct 6, 2012
IHere's a post from Elise on the topic of miscarriages and D&C, and her idiocy

http://www.topix.com/forum/news/abortion/T833...

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elise in burque wrote:

<quoted text>
~"She doesn't get that it doesn't matter whether the fetus is alive or dead, the procedure is the same. When she finds out she is wrong, she will make up some lame excuse. She is tiresome and tedious."~

Not once does this alleged nurse correct any of the PCers calling a D&C as treatment after a miscarriage "an abortion", but instead posts that her friends get it and I don't.

I replied,

~"It's not an "abortion" procedure, I don't care how many times you people claim it is.

The expulsion of the necrotic tissue of a dead fetus is not an abortion, and the procedure done isn't for "abortion" purposes.

All this talk and not one of you has provided a link to prove what you're saying is true. Except Foo using something in MS Magazine."~

So Elise and Foo can lie about knowing that D&C's used after miscarriage are NOT abortion procedures. But the truth that they were calling it that back in Jan. is in the thread, and easily accessible to provide. We PLers are the ones who knew that and were educating the PCers about it, including miss nursey.

“Pro-Life”

Since: Dec 10

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#262371 Oct 6, 2012
The link Foo had provided to a MS Magazine site wasn't even about the topic, but about something completely different. lol That's what she does to try to deflect from being caught in stupidity, or lies.She tries to change the subject.

“qui tacet consentire ”

Since: Oct 12

Detroit

#262372 Oct 6, 2012
LadiLulu wrote:
<quoted text>
I completely agree. Sometimes people mistake my warnings about adoption as being "anti" adoption. Absolutely not. I just loathe the "rosy" picture some paint, acting as if adoption is never extremely difficult for the parent adopting their child out, and as if the system is well-equipped to handle a million more babies per year, and as if adopted kids don't often end up with abandonment issues.
A friend of mine is a substance abuse counselor. She told me that a good half of her clients are adopted. Clearly this is not representative of their ratio in society. Bottom line is, not all kids handle being adopted out very well. Perhaps better mechanisms to address this early in life should be implemented.
ALL the choices with respect to an unwanted pregnancy are difficult.
good post La,

“Pro-Life”

Since: Dec 10

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#262373 Oct 6, 2012
As they display now, back then the PCers couldn't read for comprehension any better than now.

http://www.topix.com/forum/news/abortion/T833...
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Jan. 20, 2012
elise in burque wrote:
<quoted text>
~"In medical terminology, a miscarriage is nothing more than spontaneous abortion. An abortion is an abortion, in terms of charting a woman's pregnancy history. Spontaneous abortion is what a miscarriage is called in medicine. Miscarriage is the lay term. SA is the proper medical term. We were tested on this type of documentation last term, so that's why I'm sure of it."

Lil Lily wrote
<quoted text>
~ " 'In medical terminology, a miscarriage is nothing more than spontaneous abortion.'

Elise, if you're going to try to add to the discussion and try not to look ignorant while trying to argue something, at least add something I haven't already said.

"In medical terminology, a miscarriage is nothing more than spontaneous abortion."

Yes, I've already posted that to Peter. We're not refuting the term "abortion". I'm refuting Peter's claim that a "dead" fetus is "aborted", by an "abortion procedure". It's not, I proved it's not in a prior post. That ends the argument, because Peter was proved wrong."~

Back then they thought we PLers didn't understand that we weren't disputing that a D&C is used for both treatment of spontaneous abortion, and to perform induced abortions. We did understand that, because we're not the idiots here. The PCers were the ones who didn't get that that's not what we were talking about. Same way they don't get it in the present.

We were saying then like we're saying now; A D&C after a spontaneous abortion/miscarriage, is NOT an "abortion procedure". It's not documented as one in any way, shape or form. Now Foo is trying to claim she knew that all along, when her own past posts prove she didn't know anything, and neither did the resident self-proclaimed nurse, Elise.

tomtom

Allentown, PA

#262374 Oct 6, 2012
elise in burque wrote:
Look, everybody... I think we are all playing into the hands of a couple of pinheads (to use their own term) that are only interested in creating drama by starting endless bickerfests over semantics. They argue over one word or one sentence, literally. And then, LLL has the audacity to tell us that we should interpret HER words as she intended for them to mean, when she doesn't give us that benefit, herself. These women are petty, controlling, dishonorable and mean. That is my genuine opinion of their character and I believe I am correct.
I apologize for lowering myself to LLL's level. She is a manipulative bitch, to be sure, but I am responsible for reacting to her nastiness. I am a better person than that and I didn't act it. In the future, I will act in this venue with the proper ethics I live by in the RW.
I still reserve the right to make irreverent jokes, but I will be gentle. It's in my DNA to laugh at myself and to tease others. I will be kind, however :-)
And the real bitch is who again?

“Pro-Life”

Since: Dec 10

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#262376 Oct 6, 2012
Mistyped sentence corrected:

...Back then they thought we PLers didn't understand that a D&C is used for both treatment of spontaneous abortion, and to perform induced abortions, and we did understand that...

“Pro-Life”

Since: Dec 10

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#262377 Oct 6, 2012
Now before Foo claims again that I've been here posting for "almost 15 hours straight" when that was nowhere near the truth, I've been here a 1/2 hour and I'm leaving now. lol

She's such a pathological liar.

“Pro-Life”

Since: Dec 10

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#262378 Oct 6, 2012
_Bad Axe wrote:
<quoted text>I responded to a poster who said that aborting a fetus at just about any stage was "killing a human", and then her answer to it all was adoption. I'm sorry, but it's just not that simple. I dont really know your opinions on this OL so I'm not directing this at you, I'm just going to state my view on this.
So many on the PL side want to make real life decisions for women who find them self with an unwanted pregnancy, yet they look at the world through rose colored glasses immune to reality, or worse, they think their "god" will make everything work out alright for that woman and child, again, immune from reality. The reality of outlawing abortion is that it will overburden the adoption system and many babies, kids will wind up in homes only to be abused. Many women who chose not to give up the babies will raise them in dysfunctional, neglectful homes. The reality is that our jails are filled with people that grew up in such homes and are a danger to society, to you, and your family. I live near Detroit and every night on the news is another story of an unfortunate kid, or woman, or father killed for a few bucks or their car, or some other stupid reason. God didn't save those victims, and the perpetrator wasnt saved by a loving family or community so that his life worked out happily ever after.
I know that many on the PL side say that people have to be responsible for their actions and should never abort, well I say, the PL side has to be responsible for their solutions, and forcing women into unwanted motherhood, or over whelming the adoption system is not a reasonable answer in today's society. The answers have to start with birth control and limited unwanted pregnancies, and unfortunately, yes, allowing abortion in early stages of pregnancy.
"The answers have to start with birth control and limited unwanted pregnancies, and unfortunately,..."

That's something I agree with. Pregnancies CAN be prevented. Quite a few people on this thread alone, PL and PC alike have prevented pregnancies for years on end. Obviously it requires the people be diligent in either abstinence OR in their contraception use, and not depend on the legality of abortion.

“Pro-Life”

Since: Dec 10

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#262379 Oct 6, 2012
tomtom wrote:
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And the real bitch is who again?
See now? Elise calls me that, and "bonehead" doesn't even compare. I don't use crude names to call them. I use silly names children call each other, thinking they aren't so immature they can handle being called pinhead etc. But apparently not, because I've been reported by someone for it. lol.

They call PLers crude and vile names and they think the words I use compare? I'm the big ole meanie because I call them bonehead, pinhead, pea brain etc. lol

She didn't lower herself to my level as she claims, because I've never stooped to the level she did and other PCers do.

“Pro-Life”

Since: Dec 10

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#262380 Oct 6, 2012
I've now been online 50 mins. Just saying, for the one who likes to claim PLers don't have lives, as though we're here "almost 15 hours straight".

“qui tacet consentire ”

Since: Oct 12

Detroit

#262381 Oct 6, 2012
Doc Degall wrote:
<quoted text>
Exactly. I asked katie the same question. Even if there was a medical definition of viability that defined it exclusively WITHOUT medical assistance ( there isn't ), of what relevance would it have to abortion or abortion statutes ?
Did ya see where Vaddy the coward had the little atrophied nads to call someone else stupid for saying a fetus could be viable at 24 weeks ? He then went on to condescendingly correct that same poster by saying that at 24 weeks the fetus was not viable...but rather had a 50/50 chance of REACHING VIABILITY.
I'm just curious, I've not been here much and may have missed it, but has anyone even tried to show any case precedence to invalidate Roe v Wade's definition of "viable", or even where any other definition has been accepted in abortion law?

“qui tacet consentire ”

Since: Oct 12

Detroit

#262382 Oct 6, 2012
tomtom wrote:
<quoted text>
And the real bitch is who again?
I believe that would be you tomtom.

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