Colorado Shooting Rekindles Gun Control Debate

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eternal cynic wrote:

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Post 1173 http://www.topix.com/forum/guns/T77J6UN6589LM...
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One must assume loaded with that statement as unloaded weapons can’t fire under any circumstance.

In California you can open carry but it must be UNLOADED so dropped guns don't discharge of course they don't protect very well either.

[eternal cynic]

buckwheat wrote:

<quoted text>Brush up on reading comp. I said no modern gun will go off. I stand by that. I had a S&W model 19 .38 cal revolver that was used by the Tulsa Police back in the '70s and I could not make it fire without pulling the trigger. Of course black powder and really old guns will go off but I didn't make that claim.
Mythbusters tried it on several guns including revolvers, autos, mac 10, and several others. I have no reason to believe that the tests were not accurate. I can't see what they would gain by cutting corners.
As for as your question about testing all guns, I would say you are either an idiot or don't pay attention, so I won't bother answering that one.

Because I disagree with you I must have a reading comprehension problem? Nice.

How do you define modern gun? You keep going back to antiques.

Real events http://www.khou.com/news/HPD-Woman-shot-after... and http://www.beaumontenterprise.com/news/articl...

Once again, it’s extremely rare but it does happen. The claim it can’t happen is uninformed.

The Mythbusters are for entertainment. They did an early episode about exploding cigarette lighters left in cars. They claimed it was busted. I had firsthand experience with that. When I first moved to Georgia in 1985 I left a cigarette lighter on my dash. It exploded leaving shards of plastic all over the interior. No damage.
Point is, they can’t test every possibility. Yes, most of the time their conclusions are probably correct and reasonable. Not always.

Another example
http://orgoneresearch.com/2010/03/17/when-myt...

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eternal cynic wrote:

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Because I disagree with you I must have a reading comprehension problem? Nice.
How do you define modern gun? You keep going back to antiques.
Real events http://www.khou.com/news/HPD-Woman-shot-after... and http://www.beaumontenterprise.com/news/articl...
Once again, it’s extremely rare but it does happen. The claim it can’t happen is uninformed.
The Mythbusters are for entertainment. They did an early episode about exploding cigarette lighters left in cars. They claimed it was busted. I had firsthand experience with that. When I first moved to Georgia in 1985 I left a cigarette lighter on my dash. It exploded leaving shards of plastic all over the interior. No damage.
Point is, they can’t test every possibility. Yes, most of the time their conclusions are probably correct and reasonable. Not always.
Another example
http://orgoneresearch.com/2010/03/17/when-myt...

After checking both cases neither gun owner was following the owners manual. Both were carrying cocked with safety off. I have owned several derringers like his and they have a 100% safety record when carried according to the manual. The hammer block safety is one of the best in the industry. Cocking the hammer on a live round and setting the safety to fire is a deliberate action preparing the gun to fire, don't be surprised when it does. I consider it the same as a person getting drunk and driving, it is an intentional action setting in motion conditions for injury or death to occur. In both cases the operator knew better but had disregard for his safety or people around him. Did you not read the instructions on the lighter about not leaving it in the dash in the sun?

[Jeff T in MPLS]

barefoot2626 wrote:

<quoted text>Almost as if I decided you were to stupid to respond to, especially when you start crying when it got tossed back in your soft face.

You don't even make sense.

But you are liberal.

You have taught us to expect that from you.

[buckwheat]

eternal cynic wrote:

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Because I disagree with you I must have a reading comprehension problem? Nice.
How do you define modern gun? You keep going back to antiques.
Real events http://www.khou.com/news/HPD-Woman-shot-after... and http://www.beaumontenterprise.com/news/articl...
Once again, it’s extremely rare but it does happen. The claim it can’t happen is uninformed.
The Mythbusters are for entertainment. They did an early episode about exploding cigarette lighters left in cars. They claimed it was busted. I had firsthand experience with that. When I first moved to Georgia in 1985 I left a cigarette lighter on my dash. It exploded leaving shards of plastic all over the interior. No damage.
Point is, they can’t test every possibility. Yes, most of the time their conclusions are probably correct and reasonable. Not always.
Another example
http://orgoneresearch.com/2010/03/17/when-myt...

Not at all. I'm not infallible, but you kept saying that I said "no gun will off" when in fact I said "no modern gun will go off." I'm talking about a gun manufactured after the mid to late '70's or so based on the police issue revolver I mentioned earlier. Guns made today will not go off if dropped.

[barefoot2626]

Prep-for-Dep wrote:

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Yeah, dumbass, misfire means the firearm doesn't discharge when you want it to.

Dumbphuque: drop a gun and it goes off.

Roll around on the floor and cry "the gun doesn't go off...the bullet goes off"...

I'm not confused about who is responsible.

*WHO*- not what.

[barefoot2626]

Where Is My America wrote:

I am not biting that hook but their are advantages to the pistols over the AR-15 and vice verse.

Ah... especially if you want to kill people- lots and lots and lots of people you don't know- the advantages of having a rifle with a capacity to fire a hundred rounds in less than two minutes are clearly indicated.

Compared to, say: home defense where it would be rather unlikely you home would be invaded by hundreds of people.

It is almost as though there is absolutely no real excuse to have this kind of magazine other than the fact it is nothing more than a toy.

A toy that can and has been used to kill people.

[barefoot2626]

buckwheat wrote:

you will see that I stipulated modern guns in the beginning.

Follow the thread.

It's funny how when gnutters scream 'no gun will go off when it's dropped' and then it changes to 'no MODERN gun will go off' and then it's 'I have a hand gun that won't go off if you hit it with a hammer' and then it'guns don't go off... it's the bullet that's in the chamber that goes off...'

Man goes into Walmart and drops his pants to pinch a loaf and his pistol hits the floor and no matter how you want to word it, lambchop, a bullet flies from the pistol...

However you want to put it, darling: it seems to me that I am not confused by *who* I make responsible for these discharges.

[Le Jimbo]

barefoot2626 wrote:

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Dumbphuque: drop a gun and it goes off.
Roll around on the floor and cry "the gun doesn't go off...the bullet goes off"...
I'm not confused about who is responsible.
*WHO*- not what.

Obama Fundraisers to Deny Thousands a Day at the Beach

by Keith Koffler on August 4, 2012, 11:20 am

A popular Connecticut park and its 234 acres of wetlands, woodlands and beach on Long Island Sound will be shut down all day Monday so that President Obama can use the location as a base for fundraising nearby.

The Sherwood Island State Park in Westport, Connecticut will have to turn away thousands of bathers so that Obama can get to and from his events, including a $35,800 per head bash at the 9,000-square-foot,$8.3-million waterfront estate of movie mogul Harvey Wienstein, according to The Connecticut Post.

[Le Jimbo]

barefoot2626 wrote:

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Follow the thread.
It's funny how when gnutters scream 'no gun will go off when it's dropped' and then it changes to 'no MODERN gun will go off' and then it's 'I have a hand gun that won't go off if you hit it with a hammer' and then it'guns don't go off... it's the bullet that's in the chamber that goes off...'
Man goes into Walmart and drops his pants to pinch a loaf and his pistol hits the floor and no matter how you want to word it, lambchop, a bullet flies from the pistol...
However you want to put it, darling: it seems to me that I am not confused by *who* I make responsible for these discharges.

The only thing liable to go off is your mouth.......but unfortunately we can't drop you.

[Le Jimbo]

hell........we can't even pick you up orca.

[barefoot2626]

Le Jimbo wrote:

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Obama Fundraisers to Deny Thousands a Day at the Beach

Gosh... if you could only find someone in America that cares.

[Prep-for-Dep]

barefoot2626 wrote:

<quoted text>Dumbphuque: drop a gun and it goes off.

Roll around on the floor and cry "the gun doesn't go off...the bullet goes off"...

I'm not confused about who is responsible.

*WHO*- not what.

I'm simply pointing out that you obviously do NOT know the definition of MISFIRE.
You used the word misfire to mean the gun fires when you don't want it to, such as when you drop a loaded gun.
Actually misfire means you pull the trigger and the gun fails to fire.
As a side note, firearms manufactured within the last quarter century have failsafes that prevent accidental discharge, such as dropping a loaded gun.
The bottom line is, there is NO possible way to avoid every kind of accident. Accidents happen. It's heartbreaking, but it's a fact of life. These days however, everyone wants some kind of revenge or someone/some corporation to pay a monetary penalty for accidents. It's a shame that America has been reduced to this.

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barefoot2626 wrote:

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Dumbphuque: drop a gun and it goes off.
Roll around on the floor and cry "the gun doesn't go off...the bullet goes off"...
I'm not confused about who is responsible.
*WHO*- not what.

No gun goes off. The powder in the round burns, it does not require the gun to do that. Two separate devices. The gun contains the powder to cause a pressure build up. No car will run without gas and gas does not require a car to burn.

[Tray]

barefoot2626 wrote:

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Ah... especially if you want to kill people- lots and lots and lots of people you don't know- the advantages of having a rifle with a capacity to fire a hundred rounds in less than two minutes are clearly indicated.
Compared to, say: home defense where it would be rather unlikely you home would be invaded by hundreds of people.
It is almost as though there is absolutely no real excuse to have this kind of magazine other than the fact it is nothing more than a toy.
A toy that can and has been used to kill people.

That YOU can think of. I guess you missed the LA riots.

[Tray]

barefoot2626 wrote:

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Follow the thread.
It's funny how when gnutters scream 'no gun will go off when it's dropped' and then it changes to 'no MODERN gun will go off' and then it's 'I have a hand gun that won't go off if you hit it with a hammer' and then it'guns don't go off... it's the bullet that's in the chamber that goes off...'
Man goes into Walmart and drops his pants to pinch a loaf and his pistol hits the floor and no matter how you want to word it, lambchop, a bullet flies from the pistol...
However you want to put it, darling: it seems to me that I am not confused by *who* I make responsible for these discharges.

You are talking about the owners failure to control his machine kind of like a driver not controlling their car. No gun will fire by being dropped if the owner follows the manufacturers instructions in the manual that came with the gun.

[buckwheat]

barefoot2626 wrote:

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Follow the thread.
It's funny how when gnutters scream 'no gun will go off when it's dropped' and then it changes to 'no MODERN gun will go off' and then it's 'I have a hand gun that won't go off if you hit it with a hammer' and then it'guns don't go off... it's the bullet that's in the chamber that goes off...'
Man goes into Walmart and drops his pants to pinch a loaf and his pistol hits the floor and no matter how you want to word it, lambchop, a bullet flies from the pistol...
However you want to put it, darling: it seems to me that I am not confused by *who* I make responsible for these discharges.

At first I thought maybe you were just reading impaired but now I see that you are just the dumbest bitch on this thread. No matter how many times you read what I said you still twist the words around to suit your ignorance. So shove a gun up your fat ass, sit down real hard and see if it goes off. You anti-gunnuts need to understand the mechanics of a subject before you start crying about what you saw happen in Yosemite Sam cartoons.

"Boo Hoo, I'm scared of guns so nobody should have one."

[buckwheat]

Le Jimbo wrote:

hell........we can't even pick you up orca.

You don't know how right you are, there. I know for a fact.

[Where Is My America]

barefoot2626 wrote:

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Ah... especially if you want to kill people- lots and lots and lots of people you don't know- the advantages of having a rifle with a capacity to fire a hundred rounds in less than two minutes are clearly indicated.
Compared to, say: home defense where it would be rather unlikely you home would be invaded by hundreds of people.
It is almost as though there is absolutely no real excuse to have this kind of magazine other than the fact it is nothing more than a toy.
A toy that can and has been used to kill people.

A gun is never to be considered a toy.

You are not of proper mind or attitude to handle firearms.

[positronium]

Jeff T in MPLS wrote:

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You don't even make sense.
But you are liberal.
You have taught us to expect that from you.

Agree, I have dealt with him in the past.....