King's legacy still cause of debate

Jan 19, 2014 Full story: USA Today 1,089

It is a large legacy that looms over the past five decades, from the prophetic "I Have a Dream" speech delivered during the March on Washington to his last campaign taking a stand for underpaid black sanitation workers in Memphis, the city where he was slain.

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#198 Jan 22, 2014
The King Family is divided on its own history, they deserve to be forgotten.
mjjcpa wrote:
Blacks are de-evolving socially in direct correlation to their subservience to the surrendercrats who enable illiterate teens to spawn future felons with generational welfare.
If MLK were alive today, he'd recommend pulling your pants up, graduating from high school, speaking proper english, and getting married before having kids.
sandy1

New City, NY

#199 Jan 22, 2014
Lawrence Wolf wrote:
<quoted text>Did you know that Irving Berlin was this little Jewish guy from the lower east side of New York who wrote the song many people think is our national anthem -- God Bless America?
Thanks for the info on Irving Berlin, I didn't know that he wrote "God Bless America", and anybody that doesn't know our true national anthem should be hung for treason.

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#200 Jan 22, 2014
sandy1 wrote:
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Thanks for the info on Irving Berlin, I didn't know that he wrote "God Bless America", and anybody that doesn't know our true national anthem should be hung for treason.
Here's another one. Remember the perennial Christmas song, "White Christmas"? Guess who wrote it.
sandy1

New City, NY

#201 Jan 22, 2014
Lawrence Wolf wrote:
<quoted text>Here's another one. Remember the perennial Christmas song, "White Christmas"? Guess who wrote it.
Irving Berlin. I admit that I cheated by looking it up. I like learning new things, more info please.

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Alpharetta, GA

#202 Jan 22, 2014
Lawrence Wolf wrote:
<quoted text>Mercer and Carmichael, two good composers. Though I couldn't stand Mercer's singing.
Hoagy originally meant for Stardust to be up-tempo, but was later convinced to slow it down. Among the many good interpretations of the song, a lesser known but beautiful one was by Nat Cole.
yeah, Nat had some good songs, and such a great voice.....how could a man with such a smooth voice allow himself to die from throat cancer? He and Stubby Kay were brilliant in Cat Ballou...they were the musical bridge between scene changes. This was one of Jane's early movies, night after she showed her left tit in Barbarella. Kid Shaleen has always been a favorite of mine too. Lee was among the best bad guy of movies, Kid, Liberty, a few more. But Leo Gordon was the best, he was so scary, that Don Siegal was scared to work with him, and Don was the Director.
ICE

Richmond, IN

#203 Jan 22, 2014
kuda wrote:
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I've been trying to tell you nicely that I really don't want to quibble with you. It's just not that interesting. I'm certainly willing to concede that you may be better informed about Chris Smitherman than I, if that's the trophy you want after all, you're the WLW fan, which I'm not. Would you like a framed certificate?
However, if you persist in hurling insults, I'll place you on my Knights of the Satanic Order of the List of Terminally Insulting and Disgusting Without Redeeming Capacity for Reasonable Discourse — or simply “Club SOL” for short. Once so knighted, there’s no opportunity for reinstatement to the Knights of the Holy Order of the List of the Decent, Honorable, Desirable and Reasonable. Jesus still loves members, but they’re nevertheless in solitary for eternity. Like a Roach Motel, one can check in, but can’t check out, and there's no room phone for contacting the front desk or management. These considerations not withstanding, members are encouraged to keep busy filling out complaint forms.
You may have noticed that there are several posters here to whom I never respond, regardless of how persistently or provocatively they may troll or sometimes try to suck up. They're all Knights of the SOL.
Are you in?
Do you really think I care if you respond? I don't!

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#204 Jan 22, 2014
sandy1 wrote:
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Irving Berlin. I admit that I cheated by looking it up. I like learning new things, more info please.
Who was buried in Grant's tomb?

What was the U.S. import and export of coal in 1492?

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#205 Jan 22, 2014
Ish Tov wrote:
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You're the liar, boy. The economic condition of the inner city deteriorated largely AFTER Reagan implemented his corporate-sucking trickle-down economic policies, now recognized as an obvious and colossal failure.
You're full of fascist propaganda. Teachers Unions destroyed America! LOL... nobody believes that crap but the most hardened dittohead, boy.
Black lung is caused by coalmining, boy. Coal mines without Unions end up deathtraps, since corporate power has no morality and cares not about piles of dead miners as long as the profits go up.
We are falling behind because of the Reaganomics gutting of our social system, including education. The U$A remains a 2nd-tier country, INFERIOR to the rest of the developed world which adheres to the more advanced policies of demosocialism. They all have universal healthcare access... we just got it in 2014, despite the greed-motivated reactionary resistance to change by misanthropic connedservatives like you.
Reagan is regarded as America's most important President since Lincoln. He ushered in two decades of global prosperity.

Lyndon Johnson created most American ghettoes with urban renewal.

The only thing Reagan had to do with creating liberal ghettoes was giving motivated white people the mobility to move.

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#206 Jan 22, 2014
According to the pro-education reform documentary Waiting for ‘Superman,’ one out of every 57 doctors loses his or her license to practice medicine.

One out of every 97 lawyers loses their license to practice law.

In many major cities, only one out of 1000 teachers is fired for performance-related reasons. Why? Tenure.

Tenure is the practice of guaranteeing a teacher their job. Originally, this was a due process guarantee, something intended to work as a check against administrators capriciously firing teachers and replacing them with friends or family members. It was also designed to protect teachers who took political stands the community might disagree with. Tenure as we understand it today was first seen at the university level, where professors would work for years and publish many pieces of inspired academic work before being awarded what amounted to a job for life.

At the elementary and high school level, tenure has evolved from the original understanding of “due process” to the university-style “job for life.” In most states, teachers are awarded tenure after only a few years, at which time they become almost impossible to fire. The main function of these laws is to help bad teachers keep their jobs.

Consider New York City. The New York Daily News reports that “over the past three years [2007-2010], just 88 out of some 80,000 city schoolteachers have lost their jobs for poor performance.”

Things are no better in New York as a whole. The Albany Times Union looked at what was going on outside New York City and discovered some shocking data: Of 132,000 teachers, only 32 were fired for any reason between 2006 and 2011.

Or look at Chicago. In a school district that has by any measure failed its students — only 28.5 percent of 11th graders met or exceeded expectations on that state’s standardized tests — Newsweek reported that only 0.1 percent of teachers were dismissed for performance-related reasons between 2005 and 2008. When barely one in four students nearing graduation can read and do math, how is it possible that only one in one thousand teachers is worthy of dismissal?

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#207 Jan 22, 2014
In 2003, one Los Angeles union representative said: “If I’m representing them, it’s impossible to get them out. It’s impossible. Unless they commit a lewd act.” Unfortunately for the students who have to learn from these educators, virtually every teacher who works for the Los Angeles Unified School District receives tenure: In 2009, The Los Angeles Times reported that fewer than two percent of teachers are denied tenure during the two year probationary period after being hired. And once they have tenure, there’s no getting rid of them. Between 1995 and 2005, only 112 Los Angeles tenured teachers faced termination — eleven per year — out of 43,000. And that’s in a school district where the graduation rate in 2003 was just 51 percent.

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#208 Jan 22, 2014
inbred Genius wrote:
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yeah, Nat had some good songs, and such a great voice.....how could a man with such a smooth voice allow himself to die from throat cancer? He and Stubby Kay were brilliant in Cat Ballou...they were the musical bridge between scene changes. This was one of Jane's early movies, night after she showed her left tit in Barbarella. Kid Shaleen has always been a favorite of mine too. Lee was among the best bad guy of movies, Kid, Liberty, a few more. But Leo Gordon was the best, he was so scary, that Don Siegal was scared to work with him, and Don was the Director.
Look for a little-known recording by Nat Cole titled, "I'm Lost".

If you haven't yet seen it, look up the film, "Bad Day at Black Rock", with Lee Marvin and Spencer Tracy.

You've probably seen it, but Stubby Kaye was great in "Guys and Dolls", with Marlon Branflakes as Sky Masterson.

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Huntington, NY

#209 Jan 22, 2014
One New Jersey union representative was even blunter about the work his organization does to keep bad teachers in the classroom, saying:“I’ve gone in and defended teachers who shouldn’t even be pumping gas.”

In ten years, only about 47 out of 100,000 teachers were actually terminated from New Jersey’s schools. Original research conducted by the Center for Union Facts (CUF) confirms that almost no one ever gets fired in Newark, New Jersey’s largest school district, no matter how bad. Over four recent years, CUF discovered, Newark’s school district successfully fired about one out of every 3,000 tenured teachers annually. Graduation statistics indicate that the district needs much stronger medicine: Between the 2001-2002 and the 2004-2005 school years, Newark’s graduation rate (not counting the diplomas “earned” through New Jersey’s laughable remedial exam) was a mere 30.6 percent.

The evidence that tenure laws keep bad teachers in schools is overwhelming. In New York State, outside of New York City, only about 17 tenured teachers are terminated annually. New York City’s Chancellor has revealed that in that city, only ten out of 55,000 tenured teachers were terminated in the 2006-2007 school year. In any given year in Florida, scholar Richard Kahlenberg wrote, the involuntary dismissal rate for teachers was an abysmally low 0.05 percent,“compared with 7.9 percent in the Florida workforce as a whole.” In Dallas, even when unofficial pressures to resign are factored in, only 0.78 percent of tenured teachers are terminated. Out of Tucson, Arizona’s 2,300 tenured teachers, only seven have been fired for classroom behavior in the past five years. Des Moines, Iowa a school district with almost 3,000 teachers, has fired just two for poor performance in five years.

Teachers Agree: Bad Apples Stay

A study conducted by Public Agenda in 2003 polled 1,345 schoolteachers on a variety of education issues, including the role that tenure played in their schools. When asked “does tenure mean that a teacher has worked hard and proved themselves to be very good at what they do?” 58 percent of the teachers polled answered that no, tenure “does not necessarily” mean that. In a related question, 78 percent said a few (or more) teachers in their schools “fail to do a good job and are simply going through the motions.”

When Terry Moe, the author of Special Interest: Teachers Unions and America’s Public Schools, asked teachers what they thought of tenure, they admitted that the Byzantine process of firing bad apples was too time-consuming: 55 percent of teachers, and 47 percent of union members, answered yes when asked “Do you think tenure and teacher organizations make it too difficult to weed out mediocre and incompetent teachers?”

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Huntington, NY

#210 Jan 22, 2014
So why don’t districts try to terminate more of their poor performers? The sad answer is that their chance of prevailing is vanishingly small. Teachers unions have ensured that even with a victory, the process is prohibitively expensive and time-consuming. In the 2006-2007 school year, for example, New York City fired only 10 of its 55,000 tenured teachers. The cost to eliminate those employees averages out to $163,142, according to Education Week. According to the Albany Times Union, the average process for firing a teacher in New York state outside of New York City proper lasts 502 days and costs more than $216,000. In Illinois, Scott Reeder of the Small Newspaper Group found it costs an average of $219,504 in legal fees alone to get a termination case past all the union-supported hurdles. Columbus, Ohio’s own teachers union president admitted to the Associated Press that firing a tenured teacher can cost as much as $50,000. A spokesman for Idaho school administrators told local press that districts have been known to spend “$100,000 or $200,000” in litigation costs just to get rid of a bad teacher.
sandy1

New City, NY

#211 Jan 22, 2014
Lawrence Wolf wrote:
<quoted text>Who was buried in Grant's tomb?
What was the U.S. import and export of coal in 1492?
What the hell is this, jeopardy? Lol. Nobody was buried in Grant's tomb. Next category please, Mr.Trebek.

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Huntington, NY

#212 Jan 22, 2014
The biggest victims of teachers union thugs are inner-city minority kids with one parent.

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Alpharetta, GA

#213 Jan 22, 2014
Lawrence Wolf wrote:
<quoted text>Look for a little-known recording by Nat Cole titled, "I'm Lost".
If you haven't yet seen it, look up the film, "Bad Day at Black Rock", with Lee Marvin and Spencer Tracy.
You've probably seen it, but Stubby Kaye was great in "Guys and Dolls", with Marlon Branflakes as Sky Masterson.
yep, seenum both, never liked spencer much, he could chew up the scenery with just one arm...and his female favorite Kate was just a little too smarmy for me.

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#214 Jan 22, 2014
sandy1 wrote:
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What the hell is this, jeopardy? Lol. Nobody was buried in Grant's tomb. Next category please, Mr.Trebek.
You win a used rag doll. But you didn't answer the second question.

Here's more knowledge that will change the Earth's orbit:
In1938 the state of Wyoming produced enough dry edible beans to feed every man, woman, and child in the nation.
sandy1

New City, NY

#215 Jan 22, 2014
Lawrence Wolf wrote:
<quoted text>You win a used rag doll. But you didn't answer the second question.
Here's more knowledge that will change the Earth's orbit:
In1938 the state of Wyoming produced enough dry edible beans to feed every man, woman, and child in the nation.
Sorry about that, I was doing something else while posting. Jewelry or a car would be a much better prize. Keep the info coming, this is fun.
fingiswold

Newark, OH

#216 Jan 22, 2014
ICE wrote:
<quoted text>"Race baiting codewords" LOL,
" if I had a son he would look like Trayvon" B. Hussein Obama
" The (white) officer acted stupidly" B. Hussein Obama
fingerwald you are getting goofier by the day.
"B. Hussein Obama' is racist. Pretending that a President who comments on racist events in our country is racist....is itself racist.

"I know you are but what am I" is a typical Rightie argument, but not a rational or mature one.
fingiswold

Newark, OH

#217 Jan 22, 2014
mjjcpa wrote:
The biggest victims of teachers union thugs are inner-city minority kids with one parent.
One of the stupidest things I've ever read here, but emblematic of the Rightie way of "thinking."

Racist, anti-Union, anti-education, and just plain partisan, ideological, and DUMB. Congrats. You win the kewpie doll.

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