Why do Americans still dislike atheists?

Why do Americans still dislike atheists?

There are 38602 comments on the www.washingtonpost.com story from Apr 30, 2011, titled Why do Americans still dislike atheists?. In it, www.washingtonpost.com reports that:

Long after blacks and Jews have made great strides, and even as homosexuals gain respect, acceptance and new rights, there is still a group that lots of Americans just don't like much: atheists.

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#39330 Jul 1, 2012
Mikko wrote:
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Swedish Tax Office knows more than a usa website
Swedish ***TX*** office, thanks...

“Sweden more democratic thanUSA”

Since: Jun 12

Södertälje, Sweden

#39331 Jul 1, 2012
barefoot2626 wrote:
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Long list of websites provided.
And let's do remember you called it a TAX this morning.
Skatteverket link provided to official info

And i was wrong and admitted it (you would never admit that you are wrong)

“Sweden more democratic thanUSA”

Since: Jun 12

Södertälje, Sweden

#39332 Jul 1, 2012
barefoot2626 wrote:
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Swedish ***TX*** office, thanks...
and ?(they do not really want to collect the church fee but the state tells them that have to) http://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx...

the catholic church use them for church fees from their members
syrian orthodox church use them to collect church fee from their members
+ more churches

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#39333 Jul 1, 2012
Mikko wrote:
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Skatteverket link provided to official info
And i was wrong and admitted it (you would never admit that you are wrong)
Why is it so easy to find links to "church tax" and "Sweden" using google?

It seems that no one else has a problem calling it a tax.

Including Black's Law Dictionary.

It seems that most of the people who speak English understand when a STATE takes money in an official capacity it is a tax without regard to whether or not it is voluntary.

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#39334 Jul 1, 2012
Mikko wrote:
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and ?(they do not really want to collect the church fee but the state tells them that have to
I don't pretend to speak Swedish and since you already admit you made a mistake this morning, you aren't an expert either.

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Church tax
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A church tax is a tax imposed on members of some religious congregations in Austria, Denmark, Finland, Germany, Iceland, Italy, Sweden, some parts of Switzerland and several other countries.

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(quoting from same source)
The government will allocate the money collected to Catholic, Muslim, Jewish and other faiths as well as the Lutherans, with each taxpayer directing where his or her taxes should go. It is possible to leave the church with the help of a web page [1]
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...directing where his or her taxes should go...

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#39335 Jul 1, 2012
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Economy and finance
The Church of Sweden has assets totalling about SEK 36 billion. Some of these assets, for example securities, generate a return. Other assets, such as church buildings, parish buildings and cemeteries, incur costs.

The Church of Sweden manages its financial assets to fulfil the requirement of a satisfactory return. Investment is subject to ethical considerations, in accordance with the fundamental values of the Church.

Financing the work of the Church
The work of the Church of Sweden is mainly financed through the church tax that all members pay. The amount of the church tax is determined locally in each parish. The total costs each year amount to about SEK 19 billion, and because the main activities are conducted in parishes and associations, most of the costs are there. Local variations are considerable as regards what parishes use the church tax for.
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TAX... TAX...TAX...

“Blue Collar Philosopher”

Since: Nov 08

Texas, USA

#39336 Jul 1, 2012
barefoot2626 wrote:
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The boy I referred to who was beat to death and left on a fence was beat to death because he was gay, not because he was an atheist or a Christian and the people who beat him were bigots who may or who may not have been Christian or may or may not have been atheists.
He was beat to death by Americans... males... which means they have at least two things in common with you. Three if you include the aforementioned bigotry.
Who cares?
Given the overwhelming majority of American Males are religious in one way or another (from your own figures), chances are they must have been Good American Male Christian bigots. Going outdoors must be a frightening experience for you.

“Right click Left click Yay!”

Since: Dec 10

Nehwon

#39337 Jul 1, 2012
Drew Smith wrote:
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We were talking specifically *Sweden*, not merely "some states". Sweden provides a voluntary checkoff box. Nobody is required to check the box.
So it's not a tax.
But I notice that you're trying to change the subject, because you lost the argument about Sweden.
It's best to ignore Sweden. They have that nasty, nasty socialistic streak but the tasty, tasty oil and that the US craves. But the US dare not invade for Sweden has a power even greater than the entire US nuclear arsenal.

If the US were to invade Sweden, they would easily seduce our elite, highly educated, highly paid, volunteer (from trust fund inheritors) combat and bureaucratic forces with their crack troops of blue-eyed, blonde-haired bikini-clad storm-trooper-esses.

Many of our troops lay awake at night fapping, err, fearing such a horrific nightmare...

Since: Feb 08

Tampa, FL

#39338 Jul 1, 2012
barefoot2626 wrote:
<If you want to say the Black Law definition of "tax" is in context...
The burden of proof doesn't fall upon me. It falls upon you. I directly quoted from the definition. If you think that my direct quote is taken out of context, then it falls upon you to demonstrate that.

Have at it.

Since: Feb 08

Tampa, FL

#39339 Jul 1, 2012
barefoot2626 wrote:
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Why is it so easy to find links to "church tax" and "Sweden" using google?
It seems that no one else has a problem calling it a tax.
Just because something is referred to as a "church tax" does not mean that it is actually a *tax*.

You might as well be claiming that "bald eagles" are actually bald.

In the case of Sweden, it *used* to be a tax, and it is no longer one. That they didn't bother changing their word for it does not allow you to claim that it is still an actual tax.

Since: Feb 08

Tampa, FL

#39340 Jul 1, 2012
barefoot2626 wrote:
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I've identified Black's Law dictionary to support my definition of tax:
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"In a general sense, a tax Is ***any*** contribution"
(end quote).
(source: Black's Law Dictionary)
Which continues "imposed by government".

There, I've demonstrated that you took your quote out of context.

Now, if you claim that *my* quote was taking out of context, it falls upon you to support your own claim.

Have at it.

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#39341 Jul 1, 2012
barefoot2626 wrote:
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It's already been pointed out to you that I wasn't the one who insisted that rocks and dogs and newborn infants were atheist.
Many times.
And that you didn't contradict the NotBot who insisted that rocks were atheists.
And it's funny you insist want to pretend that most Satanists are not Christian.
Facts... not your friends.
Actually bot, I have shown that a rock can be either, and have provided the links which prove it.

Why haven't you noticed yet, that not a single one of us, has taken offense to not being considered a bot? I get, that you didn't mean it to be complimentary, but it is.

LOL! Notbots? That's like saying we are not automatons, not idiots, not brain dead.

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Since: Dec 10

Nehwon

#39342 Jul 1, 2012
barefoot2626 wrote:
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I don't pretend to speak Swedish and since you already admit you made a mistake this morning, you aren't an expert either.
(quote)
Church tax
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
A church tax is a tax imposed on members of some religious congregations in Austria, Denmark, Finland, Germany, Iceland, Italy, Sweden, some parts of Switzerland and several other countries.
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(quoting from same source)
The government will allocate the money collected to Catholic, Muslim, Jewish and other faiths as well as the Lutherans, with each taxpayer directing where his or her taxes should go. It is possible to leave the church with the help of a web page [1]
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...directing where his or her taxes should go...
As opposed to Pres. Bush wanting to direct tax dollars towards "faith based initiatives"?

At least, they are up front about where the money is going instead of trying to side-step the First Amendment endorsement of religion with politician's words.

It's actually really easy to see through those words and what they mean. If you think it means Christian but they didn't say it explicitly, just imagine that tax money going to a group you don't like. Take your pick - could be Jews, Catholics, Baptists, Mormons, Scientologists, Raelians, Satanists, Buddhists, Taoists, Animalists, Hedonists, Nihilists, Polygamists, Penguin-ists, Dolphin-ists, Time Cubists, Welfare-ists, Constabul-ists (Not Instanbul-ists (Not your business. It's the Turks.)), Astrologists, Heliocentrists, Flat-Earthists, 9-11 Truthers, Phlebotomists,Trekkies, Furries and many more groups of people who take things much too seriously based on faith.

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#39343 Jul 1, 2012
RHill wrote:
Going outdoors must be a frightening experience for you.
I just came in from outdoors three minutes ago.

I scraped some BoobyHill off my shoes so I did not catch hell for tracking up the steps into the house.

Most Americans are Christians. This is a fact. The USA is a nation of Christians. If you cannot live with this, you might consider moving to Israel (but they are a 'church' state like UK and Iran).8900

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#39344 Jul 1, 2012
Drew Smith wrote:
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Just because something is referred to as a "church tax" does not mean that it is actually a *tax*.
It does.

I know, it's hard to get around the English language with easy access to definitions (that I have no problems posting here in their entirety).

“Blue Collar Philosopher”

Since: Nov 08

Texas, USA

#39346 Jul 1, 2012
barefoot2626 wrote:
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"Americans' Church Attendance Inches Up in 2010
Increase accompanies rise in economic confidence
by Frank Newport
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PRINCETON, NJ -- Americans' self-reported church attendance has continued to inch up in 2010, with 43.1% of Americans reporting weekly or almost weekly attendance. This is up slightly from 42.8% in 2009 and 42.1% in 2008. The increase comes as Americans' economic confidence has also risen, suggesting that, instead of church attendance rising when economic times get bad, as some theorize, the opposite pattern may be occurring.
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PS: The church I attended as a boy is exactly where it is at and so is the church next door. That offsets the church that you said went out of business you referred to and I will try to not laugh at you bringing it up as an argument to the sourced data I posted that has religious adherents growing by the millions.
Well, I know I'm pretty special. I'm sure my experiences are not typical. LOL

Since: Feb 08

Tampa, FL

#39347 Jul 1, 2012
Just because something is referred to as a "church tax" does not mean that it is actually a *tax*.
barefoot2626 wrote:
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It does.
Nope. Just as something being referred to as a "bald eagle" does not mean that it is actually bald.

Since: Feb 08

Tampa, FL

#39348 Jul 1, 2012
barefoot2626 wrote:
You tell us (according to you) that you have multiple degrees...(where you bought them, you didn't say)
That's because I didn't "buy" them. I earned them.

Have you got any graduate-level degrees? Do tell.
barefoot2626 wrote:
do you want me to tell you what "bald" in 'bald eagle' stands for or do you want to look it up?
I know exactly what the origin of "bald" in "bald eagle" is. Just as I know the origin of the word "tax" in "church tax".

Does that mean that bald eagles are bald? No. Does that mean that a church tax is a tax? No.

Just because something has a particular name in English does not mean that it falls into a particular category related to that name. You do need to learn that about English.

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#39349 Jul 1, 2012
Drew Smith wrote:
Funny how you left this part out: "And there are *9 different denominations* that can receive this voluntary money, not just the Church of Sweden."
If it's voluntary, how is it a "tax"?
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If it's voluntary, it's not a "tax".
Look it up in Black's Law Dictionary if you still don't understand that.
Leaving parts out is his M.O.

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#39350 Jul 1, 2012
greymouser wrote:
At least, they are up front about where the money is going instead of trying to side-step the First Amendment endorsement of religion with politician's words.
I am not responsible for what George Bush does or I think if you think I am you didn't duck fast enough when riding that coal car down into the mines when you crossed under that timber.

My position here is: if the Swedes (and many other European States) call it a tax, then it is a tax. It doesn't matter to me if (now) it is voluntary tax, the state does collect monies and then redistributes it to the (in this case) church.

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