Connecticut passes strictest gun cont...

Connecticut passes strictest gun control laws in US as Obama's reforms stall

There are 1562 comments on the Guardian Unlimited story from Apr 4, 2013, titled Connecticut passes strictest gun control laws in US as Obama's reforms stall. In it, Guardian Unlimited reports that:

A makeshift memorial to the victims of the massacre in Newtown, Connecticut, which has reignited the national debate on gun control.

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“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#904 Apr 11, 2013
Gun Control Does Not Work wrote:
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It is not up to the States to decide. The 2A applies to all states equally, if I could own an AR in Maine, should be able to own one in California, or anywhere in between. The Heller ruling declares the 2A as an individual right, and extents to "common firearms." Is it up to your respective state which amendments apply? What if your state legislators enacted a law that limited free speech, is that up to the state too? This is seriously all about individual freedom; punish criminals and keep weapons away from the insane, not law abiding citizens.
Every state DOES have various laws which limit free speech; just try yelling "fire" in a theater and see what happens. Try sending a death threat to your mayor and see what happens.

ALL rights can and are limited by the federal govt as well as the states to varying degrees.

Yes, the activist ruling in Heller created a federal individual right where none existed, but since we have a federalist system of government, the states can and do make restrictions on gun rights.

If there is an individual right which can't be infringed, then that has to apply to the insane and criminals as well.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#905 Apr 11, 2013
DavidQ762 wrote:
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"The Right of the People to Keep and Bear Arms shall NOT be infringed."
Then criminals and the insane can't be denied the right to own a gun.

Then no restrictions can be placed on the type of gun I own, where I can take it, etc, etc.

Then I should be able to take an RPG onto an airplane.

Then I should be able to take a fully automatic loaded machine gun with me on the subway.

Otherwise my rights are being infringed......

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#906 Apr 11, 2013
DavidQ762 wrote:
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Wrong AGAIN, dolt:
"...The complete independence of the courts of justice is peculiarly essential in a limited Constitution. By a limited Constitution, I understand one which contains certain specified exceptions to the legislative authority; such, for instance, as that it shall pass no bills of attainder, no ex post facto laws, and the like. Limitations of this kind can be preserved in practice no other way than through the medium of courts of justice, whose duty it must be to declare all acts contrary to the manifest tenor of the Constitution void. Without this, all the reservations of particular rights or privileges would amount to nothing...."
"...There is no position which depends on clearer principles, than that every act of a delegated authority, contrary to the tenor of the commission under which it is exercised, is void. No legislative act, therefore, contrary to the Constitution, can be valid. To deny this, would be to affirm, that the deputy is greater than his principal; that the servant is above his master; that the representatives of the people are superior to the people themselves; that men acting by virtue of powers, may do not only what their powers do not authorize, but what they forbid...."
"...It is not otherwise to be supposed, that the Constitution could intend to enable the representatives of the people to substitute their will to that of their constituents. It is far more rational to suppose, that the courts were designed to be an intermediate body between the people and the legislature, in order, among other things, to keep the latter within the limits assigned to their authority. The interpretation of the laws is the proper and peculiar province of the courts. A constitution is, in fact, and must be regarded by the judges, as a fundamental law. It therefore belongs to them to ascertain its meaning, as well as the meaning of any particular act proceeding from the legislative body. If there should happen to be an irreconcilable variance between the two, that which has the superior obligation and validity ought, of course, to be preferred; or, in other words, the Constitution ought to be preferred to the statute, the intention of the people to the intention of their agents.
"Nor does this conclusion by any means suppose a superiority of the judicial to the legislative power. It only supposes that the POWER of the PEOPLE is SUPERIOR TO BOTH; and that where the will of the legislature, declared in its statutes, stands in opposition to that of the people, DECLARED IN THE CONSTITUTION, the judges ought to be governed by the latter rather than the former. They ought to regulate their decisions by the FUNDAMENTAL LAWS, rather than by those which are NOT fundamental...."
"...But it is not with a view to infractions of the Constitution only, that the independence of the judges may be an essential safeguard against the effects of occasional ill humors in the society. These sometimes extend no farther than to the injury of the private rights of particular classes of citizens, by unjust and partial laws. Here also the firmness of the judicial magistracy is of vast importance in mitigating the severity and confining the operation of such laws...."
"...That inflexible and uniform adherence to the rights of the Constitution, and of individuals, which we perceive to be indispensable in the courts of justice, can certainly not be expected from judges who hold their offices by a temporary commission...."
"The Judiciary...has no influence over either the sword or the purse; no direction either of the strength or of the wealth of the society, and can take no active resolution whatever. It may truly be said to have neither force nor will."--Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist No. 78, Saturday, June 14, 1788.
Run along now, dolt.
Let me guess, another quote from a long dead white guy who owned slaves spouting off about "justice" or "equality"?
Sir Bucking Fastard

UK

#907 Apr 11, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Then criminals and the insane can't be denied the right to own a gun.
Then no restrictions can be placed on the type of gun I own, where I can take it, etc, etc.
Then I should be able to take an RPG onto an airplane.
Then I should be able to take a fully automatic loaded machine gun with me on the subway.
Otherwise my rights are being infringed......
In the U.S., prior to 1968, all of the above could have taken place and nobody, but nobody would have pitched a bitch. The violent crime rate back then was far lower than now.
myth

Francesville, IN

#908 Apr 11, 2013
There was a series on cable about people who prep for SHTF . One prepper went to a doc about chest pains . the doc had the guys right to bear arms taken from him . The Zionists have made into law that a doc ask a question about guns or w/e and then report to the feds . The doc risks losing their license if they refuse to conform . The Brothers Keeper Law .

“O'er the land of the free ? ”

Since: Jan 09

Don't Tread On Me

#909 Apr 11, 2013
myth wrote:
There was a series on cable about people who prep for SHTF . One prepper went to a doc about chest pains . the doc had the guys right to bear arms taken from him . The Zionists have made into law that a doc ask a question about guns or w/e and then report to the feds . The doc risks losing their license if they refuse to conform . The Brothers Keeper Law .

“THE LEFT IS ATTEMPTING A COUP”

Since: May 11

Location hidden

#910 Apr 11, 2013
Marine Corp Pat wrote:
President Obama’s legacy is already memorialized in stone as possibly our greatest President - from single-handedly finding and killing Osama bin Laden to HCR to pulling our economy from the edge of total collapse and turning it around causing the Stock Market to rocket pass historic levels. So everything from this point forward is just gravy.
He will be seen as the President who got gun safety laws enacted even if all the reforms don’t happen in the next 4 years. And that is what makes this historic Nobel Peace Prize President a Legend.
Get off his c*ck and get a room!! You spent too much time on a boat with too many men!

“Hillary, thirty years of lying”

Since: Nov 08

Paris

#911 Apr 11, 2013
conservative crapola wrote:
<quoted text>
Notice that okiehomo's candy...the $1.64 for every dollar sent to DC...hasn't been affected. okie luv candy. And the idiot tandem of coburn/inhofe fight to protect theirs. teadead double-speak.
hahahahahahahahaha
More cut and past from the Allentown slag heap.

“Hillary, thirty years of lying”

Since: Nov 08

Paris

#912 Apr 11, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
<quoted text>
Let me guess, another quote from a long dead white guy who owned slaves spouting off about "justice" or "equality"?
Let me guess, all that head banging from being bent over a table has affected your vision and reading capability.
Responsibility

Redwood City, CA

#913 Apr 11, 2013
Le Jimbo wrote:
<quoted text>More cut and past from the Allentown slag heap.
Do you live in Allentown? LOLL

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#914 Apr 11, 2013
myth wrote:
There was a series on cable about people who prep for SHTF . One prepper went to a doc about chest pains . the doc had the guys right to bear arms taken from him . The Zionists have made into law that a doc ask a question about guns or w/e and then report to the feds . The doc risks losing their license if they refuse to conform . The Brothers Keeper Law .
Doctors as about guns in the home because it's an indication of the likelihood of a dangerous home atmosphere, especially where kids are involved.

We saw another example of that when the 4 y/o shot his 6 y/o brother with their Dad's gun.

Asking about guns in the home is no different than asking about drug use or physical abuse; it's an indicator of an unsafe environment for women & children.
myth

Francesville, IN

#915 Apr 11, 2013
BS . The man came in having chest pains . What the hell does guns have to do with chest pains ? How much time did you do at Au Sable Valley CMHS ? Show the doc your posts and see how long You keep Your right to bear arms . Right NOT privilege .
conservative crapola

Bethlehem, PA

#916 Apr 11, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
<quoted text>
Then criminals and the insane can't be denied the right to own a gun.
Then no restrictions can be placed on the type of gun I own, where I can take it, etc, etc.
Then I should be able to take an RPG onto an airplane.
Then I should be able to take a fully automatic loaded machine gun with me on the subway.
Otherwise my rights are being infringed......
All the nutters can do when you hit them with their own logic, is give you a negative judgement. Too funny.

hahahahahahahaha

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#917 Apr 11, 2013
myth wrote:
BS . The man came in having chest pains . What the hell does guns have to do with chest pains ? How much time did you do at Au Sable Valley CMHS ? Show the doc your posts and see how long You keep Your right to bear arms . Right NOT privilege .
If it's a right which can't be infringed, then no one could take it away for any reason ever.

So no worries.

Doctors ask about the home environment because the patient isn't going to live at the hospital forever. An unsafe home environment is harmful to people; that's a concern for a healthcare provider regardless of why the patient came to see them.

Since: Feb 11

Location hidden

#918 Apr 11, 2013
Gun Control Does Not Work wrote:
if I could own an AR in Maine, should be able to own one in California,
If you can be gay and married in Hawaii, you can be gay and married in Georgia. If you can drive 80 in Montana then you can drive 80 in Vermont.

No mores states, just one country and one set of laws...

PS: It's legal to have sex with animals in Kentucky...(you will see why so many conservatives in these forums hail from there).
Gun Control Does Not Work

Meriden, CT

#919 Apr 11, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Every state DOES have various laws which limit free speech; just try yelling "fire" in a theater and see what happens. Try sending a death threat to your mayor and see what happens.
ALL rights can and are limited by the federal govt as well as the states to varying degrees.
Yes, the activist ruling in Heller created a federal individual right where none existed, but since we have a federalist system of government, the states can and do make restrictions on gun rights.
If there is an individual right which can't be infringed, then that has to apply to the insane and criminals as well.
Yes, every Right has limits, and Heller's is the "common firearm" standard. With about 8 million AR platforms in private hands alone, I would say that is a "common firearm."

Thanks for making my point for me. Your NRA application is in the mail.

Since: Feb 11

Location hidden

#920 Apr 11, 2013
DavidQ762 wrote:
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"The courts
"Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose: For example, concealed weapons prohibitions have been upheld under the Amendment or state analogues. The Court’s opinion should not be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms.[United States v.] Miller’s holding that the sorts of weapons protected are those “in common use at the time” finds support in the historical tradition of prohibiting the carrying of dangerous and unusual weapons."

Justice Scalia
this century

Since: Feb 11

Location hidden

#921 Apr 11, 2013
DavidQ762 wrote:
<quoted text>
"The Right of the People to Keep and Bear Arms shall NOT be infringed."
Thanks for continuing to prove you don't even know the Second Amendment.

Since: Feb 11

Location hidden

#922 Apr 11, 2013
DavidQ762 wrote:
<quoted text>
"The Right of the People to Keep and Bear Arms shall NOT be infringed."
Thanks for proving you don't even know the Second Amendment of the US Constitution.

Since: Feb 11

Location hidden

#923 Apr 11, 2013
DavidQ762 wrote:
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Not quite, dolt:
Dolt:

Thanks for proving you don't even know the Second Amendment of the US Constitution.

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