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Obama takes on power plant emissions as part of climate plan

There are 1518 comments on the Reuters story from Jun 25, 2013, titled Obama takes on power plant emissions as part of climate plan. In it, Reuters reports that:

President Barack Obama will attempt to kick-start a global climate agenda on Tuesday with proposals including a plan to limit carbon emissions from existing U.S. power plants that is sure to face opposition from the coal industry, many business groups and Republican lawmakers.

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“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#775 Aug 7, 2013
Mothra wrote:
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A pedantic argument, but typical of your silly word-game posts.
How about some real analysis?
Over the past 5 years, oil consumption has exceeded production by 436,100 barrels a day, draining pumped reserves.
Hmmm... Keystone would provide 830,000 barrels a day into the world market, offsetting that deficit.
That's why gas prices are so high, and why Keystone would alleviate that.
So let Canada build their own pipeline & refine it themselves.
Mothra

Phoenix, AZ

#776 Aug 7, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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So let Canada build their own pipeline & refine it themselves.
See my previous post.
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#777 Aug 7, 2013
Mothra wrote:
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Tell ya what, you stop saying stupid things and I'll stop calling you on it, OK?
Too late, lol. I already told you.

Bully, bull bull.

“CO2 is Gaseous Love”

Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#778 Aug 7, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
So let Canada build their own pipeline & refine it themselves.
Because we care about jobs.
LessHypeMoreFact

Etobicoke, Canada

#779 Aug 7, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Because we care about jobs.
There are a LOT more job in innovation, technology and labor intensive green energy than there will every be in resource development (most of which goes to the fat cats with the land deed)

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#780 Aug 7, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Because we care about jobs.
Some jobs aren't worth it.

Should be open up sweatshops again in America just for the jobs?

Maybe we can open up jobs clubbing baby seals?

Or how about jobs disposing of radioactive waste into our rivers & lakes?

Then that would generate MORE jobs hiring people to clean up all the dead fish & wildlife & people.

Sure, there's all sorts of jobs we COULD have in America.....

“CO2 is Gaseous Love”

Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#781 Aug 8, 2013
I don't know what's worse, unrealistic expectations about green energy or n caring about job creation at all. At least, WTS admits he doesn't care about prosperity; I give him kudos for candor.
Mothra

Phoenix, AZ

#782 Aug 8, 2013
LessHypeMoreFact wrote:
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There are a LOT more job in innovation, technology and labor intensive green energy than there will every be in resource development (most of which goes to the fat cats with the land deed)
>>A federal audit shows that nearly a half-billion dollars in government funds was spent on training workers for so-called “green jobs.” The only problem is that not enough positions in the growing industry exist.

The findings -- released in a June report by the Government Accountability Office -- showed that only 55 percent of those trained were able to place in a new job, many of which were not technically green jobs. The $501 million in funding came from the 2009 stimulus law. The report also uncovered that the Department of Labor created a framework that led grantees to broadly interpret the program’s definition to include any job “that could be linked, directly or indirectly, to a beneficial outcome” which led to the gap between training programs and available green industry jobs.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/08/04/au...

d'Oh!

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#783 Aug 8, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
I don't know what's worse, unrealistic expectations about green energy or n caring about job creation at all. At least, WTS admits he doesn't care about prosperity; I give him kudos for candor.
Fully developing renewable energy in this country would create MILLIONS of jobs which could never be outsourced- installation of wind turbines & solar panels & transmission lines, maintenance, repair, etc.

“CO2 is Gaseous Love”

Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#785 Aug 9, 2013
I see where WTS is coming from and why he doesn't believe supply is important in trying commodities like oil and gasoline; he wants to save the planet and truth is less important than the survival of the human race. This is where we differ.
Dee Dee Dee

Emmaus, PA

#786 Aug 9, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
I see where WTS is coming from and why he doesn't believe supply is important in trying commodities like oil and gasoline; he wants to save the planet and truth is less important than the survival of the human race. This is where we differ.
There are those like WTS that would have the human race living in caves to "save the planet". Personally I do not want to live in a cave and I believe that man and the planet can survive with common sense and ingenuity. We do not need to reduce the population by allowing people to starve, freeze, die of curable diseases and kill each other. Decreasing the supply of fossil fuels, driving up the prices of all commodities and killing off the poor and middle class in the process is not the solution and most likely like all the other hypocrites that share that philosophy WTS would not think that way if he was one of the people who would be killed off. Being a government pensioner like our leaders in Washington he thinks he would be one of the elite not affected.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#787 Aug 9, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
I see where WTS is coming from and why he doesn't believe supply is important in trying commodities like oil and gasoline; he wants to save the planet and truth is less important than the survival of the human race. This is where we differ.
You finally got one right- survival of the human race IS more important than cheap gas.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#788 Aug 9, 2013
Dee Dee Dee wrote:
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There are those like WTS that would have the human race living in caves to "save the planet". Personally I do not want to live in a cave and I believe that man and the planet can survive with common sense and ingenuity. We do not need to reduce the population by allowing people to starve, freeze, die of curable diseases and kill each other. Decreasing the supply of fossil fuels, driving up the prices of all commodities and killing off the poor and middle class in the process is not the solution and most likely like all the other hypocrites that share that philosophy WTS would not think that way if he was one of the people who would be killed off. Being a government pensioner like our leaders in Washington he thinks he would be one of the elite not affected.
Fortunately we both save the planet AND the humans which occupy it.

No one has to starve or freeze or die of curable diseases. In fact, switching our electric production to renewable wind & solar and saving our oil for those very medical devices & medications which extend life instead of WASTING it out our collective tailpipes is likely the ONLY way of avoiding the coming collapse of our society.

How easy do you think it will be to get those meds if our society is in chaos and our country is at constant war over the remaining oil supplies?

The choice is ours to make. Unfortunately I'm convinced by the sheeple on here as well as those grazing America that they'll choose the latter option and drive our society to total collapse; all for the immediate gratification of of cheap gas now.

Enjoy the dark!

“CO2 is Gaseous Love”

Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#789 Aug 10, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
You finally got one right- survival of the human race IS more important than cheap gas.
Thanks for your candor.

This is where we differ; I believe facts are more important than your irrational fears.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#790 Aug 10, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Thanks for your candor.
This is where we differ; I believe facts are more important than your irrational fears.
And the facts are it's more important to save the planet and humanity and our society than having cheap gas for the sheeple.

Hope you're stocked up on coal & wood, it's gonna be a cold winter.

“CO2 is Gaseous Love”

Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#791 Aug 10, 2013
The fact is, climate change mitigation is untried and untested, it's a hoax and man made catastrophic global climate change alarmism is pseudoscience. Get back to us after there's been an experiment showing ANY man made change to global climate. Until then; WTS's fear is based on superstition.

“Conserve Wildlife Habitat”

Since: Dec 10

SE Michigan

#792 Aug 10, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Fortunately we both save the planet AND the humans which occupy it.
No one has to starve or freeze or die of curable diseases. In fact, switching our electric production to renewable wind & solar and saving our oil for those very medical devices & medications which extend life instead of WASTING it out our collective tailpipes is likely the ONLY way of avoiding the coming collapse of our society.
How easy do you think it will be to get those meds if our society is in chaos and our country is at constant war over the remaining oil supplies?
The choice is ours to make. Unfortunately I'm convinced by the sheeple on here as well as those grazing America that they'll choose the latter option and drive our society to total collapse; all for the immediate gratification of of cheap gas now.
Enjoy the dark!
WTF??? Have you not learned ANYTHING here yet?

"Fortunately we both save the planet AND the humans which occupy it."

Number one- the planet doesn't NEED to be saved.

Number two- you cannot SAVE humans.

The planet will be just fine. It is US that will suffer if we keep destroying it's natural resources (flora and fauna) and interfering with delicate ecosystems of which we are a part.

"No one has to starve or freeze or die of curable diseases."
There will always be those who starve, freeze and die of incurable diseases.

"switching our electric production to renewable wind & solar and saving our oil for those very medical devices & medications which extend life instead of WASTING it out our collective tailpipes is likely the ONLY way of avoiding the coming collapse of our society."
WTF are you talking about?
Use OIL to "extend" life?? I thought oil KILLED??? Now it's our savior?!

Here's one thing that DOES kill- WIND TURBINES! Birds, bats, insects, and any and all wildlife that's gets bulldozed as the once pristine land and delicate ecosystems are cleared and destroyed forever for the monstrosities.

And you think this has no effect on the life, health and well-being of humans? Think again. If one million birds die (whether in just one year or ten years) at wind turbines, how many birds would that have made... had those million (and their offspring) been able to live and reproduce for a few more years?(Think compounding offspring) How many tons (or billions of tons) of harmful insects would that number of birds eaten during that time? Insects that spread diseases like Malaria and West Nile? Insects that eat or damage our crops? Insects that destroy our homes?

How many humans will have a lesser quality of life if the birds they love- like orioles, grosbeaks, warblers and tanagers don't make it back to our yards in the spring to fill our lives with joy and song?

Wind power is not good for wildlife, and it's not good for us! Maybe one of the species that we lose forever because of them would have been the species that could cure one of those incurable diseases.

“Conserve Wildlife Habitat”

Since: Dec 10

SE Michigan

#793 Aug 10, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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And the facts are it's more important to save the planet and humanity and our society than having cheap gas for the sheeple.
Hope you're stocked up on coal & wood, it's gonna be a cold winter.
Cheap gas is for the poor and middle class. The rich is unaffected by high gas prices. It is the poor and middle class that is suffering right now, or don't you care? How many of them will starve and freeze because they can't afford food or home heating. If you really care about people, like you claim, you would want to help alleviate their financial pain.

“Conserve Wildlife Habitat”

Since: Dec 10

SE Michigan

#794 Aug 10, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
The fact is, climate change mitigation is untried and untested, it's a hoax and man made catastrophic global climate change alarmism is pseudoscience. Get back to us after there's been an experiment showing ANY man made change to global climate. Until then; WTS's fear is based on superstition.
Since the beginning of time, people have tried to imagine and create doomsday scenarios because they fear death, or because they are fascinated with it.
PHD

Livonia, MI

#795 Aug 11, 2013
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
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Cheap gas is for the poor and middle class. The rich is unaffected by high gas prices. It is the poor and middle class that is suffering right now, or don't you care? How many of them will starve and freeze because they can't afford food or home heating. If you really care about people, like you claim, you would want to help alleviate their financial pain.
There you have it we do agree on thing the rich as you say are unaffected by high gas prices. Now why do you insist on drill baby drill method? If you really care about people you wouldn’t be on your political agenda to save a few of our feathered friends because you despise alternative energy. Oh Are you going to join the cleanup crew when they start the project at the Kalamazoo River?

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