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Ex-NYT correspondent: FISA update is 'giant step toward fascism'

There are 336 comments on the rawstory.com story from Jul 10, 2008, titled Ex-NYT correspondent: FISA update is 'giant step toward fascism' . In it, rawstory.com reports that:

For more than 20 years, Chris Hedges reported from around the globe as a foreign correspondent for the New York Times and other outlets, working from countries with little to no respect for a free and independent press, where his phone was bugged and he was trailed by government agents to prevent dissidents and whistle-blowers from speaking to him.

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Sick of it

Milledgeville, GA

#164 Jul 11, 2008
From http://www.pointofinquiry.org/chris_hedges_i_...

"Interesting that Hedges idolizes none other than the utterly impotent Socialist Party of Norman Thomas. So much of the same sanctimonious liberal nonsense on display in this interview was already pretty long in the tooth when Trotsky polemicised against John Dewey in the delightful pamphlet ‘Their Morals and Ours’(1938)."

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Who is Norman Thomas..?

""The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the name of "liberalism," they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened." - Norman Thomas, U.S. Socialist Party presidential candidate 1940, 1944 and 1948"
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When Hitler cme to power, Communist were elated, at first. They believed Fascism was the death throes of Capitalism and their Marxist Utopia was just around the corner.

Sometimes I think that's the reason Leftists see Fascism everywhere. 1930's Deja Vu commie style.

“Seeking enlightenment. ”

Since: Jun 08

Hey! Here it is!!

#165 Jul 11, 2008
Power_1 wrote:
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And as the poster you responded to was stating, you would give up your liberty when it comes to the right to bear arms in exchange for security, when the courts have already said you have no inherent right to protection. You would give up your right for free speech when the government tells you can't protest at or near an Abortion clinic, or donate more than a certain amount of money to your favored candidate, or oppose the powers that be on the radio, in the name of fairness. You see the loss of property rights of individuals eroded away in the name of Public Domain, for increased Tax base, yet you scream when the Government wants to monitor radio Communications in and out of territory hostile to the US? You people are warped. How dare you quote Ben Franklin for that pathetic excuse of a complaint of alleged violation of rights. If an enemy force was operating in the field, would the US Army need a warrant to intercept their radio traffic? So what is the difference? If you believe the government has the right to control Commercial radio Content why can’t they monitor microwave frequencies used by cellphones? Are we not talking about Public Airwaves? Since when did the right to Privacy extend beyond Physical property? If I yell out to my neighbor across the street lets go rob a bank and kill some people, is anyone who overhears me required to get a warrant to call the police. You people have corrupted the English language to the point that true Liberty and real Rights have become worthless, and the most heinous acts can be covered by "Rights" cut whole cloth out of nothing..
Try rereading my post again. This time read it reaalll slow & I think you may figure out you're preaching to the choir.

I am OPPOSED to any infringement on my rights by the government! In fact, I am OPPOSED to the government!

I'm not sure where you stand on the issue of constitutional rights as you post rambles without making a clear statement.

Ben was trying to warn people to NOT give up liberties in the name of security. If you are willing to give up your liberty for a little security, that is your right as an American but, I also have an equal right to NOT give up my liberty for a little security. I choose to keep my liberty & provide my own security.

FYI, I served in the military for a significant portion of my adult life & just happened to have worked with the NSA in "monitoring" foreign communications. You see, we "monitor" others. They "spy" on us. Now if that isn't a double standard, I don't know what is!

“Seeking enlightenment. ”

Since: Jun 08

Hey! Here it is!!

#166 Jul 11, 2008
Pdamerica org wrote:
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You have it dead wrong my friend!
Our enemy is all corporate Democrats like Hillary and all corporate Republicans like Bush and all corrupt corporate lamestream media hacks.
The real Liberals and real Conservatives like Kucinich and Ron Paul have ZERO power in Congress.
Ok, if you say so.

Are you saying "real" Liberals & "real" Conservatives aren't influnced by PACs & special interests? Do you honestly believe they don't take money from these groups?

If that is the case, please contact me ASAP 'cause I have some great bridges for sale you will probably be interested in. And, give my regards to the tooth fairy & Santa. I assume you believe in them as well.

BWG

“Cogito ergo sum”

Since: May 07

Irmo

#167 Jul 11, 2008
Quote: "Hedges didn't know for sure that he was being monitored, but he couldn't say for sure that he wasn't. The chilling effect of surveillance he had become so familiar with while reporting in foreign countries had now scuttled his work at home."

He scuttled his own work. LOL... The NY Times and the ACLU, there's two organizations I'd trust with my life...

I could care less if the government is monitoring telephone calls to foreign countries. In fact, I would appreciate it if someone out there was listening,“just in case”.

For example, if young Abdul, a foreign student from Jordan, going to school in America calls a telephone number in Jordan and has a conversation with a former Professor at the University of Southern Florida, I would hope someone representing the U.S. Government is listening in. It might just save me from having to dive out an 80 story building to keep from being burned alive.

Not that any member of a certain religion of peace would ever hi-jack a plane or commit an act of terrorism in the name of Allah. At least I'm sure the ACLU would say that I'm a fear monger and along with a few Supreme Court Judges ensure that young Abdul and his friend’s rights to privacy are not infringed upon.

I still remember getting up one morning and watching some people jumping out windows in the World Trade Center and watching that second airplane fly into one of the towers. Remember the “Day That Changed America??”
Anti

AOL

#169 Jul 11, 2008
malachy wrote:
Lest we forget some of the things we want confronted by our elected governments, with simple specific written on what they will do from both candidates and those running for state government:
Health care.
Dental care.(they charge like a bull.)
Prescription, low cost, purchasing etc.
CUBA.(US won't open up, other countries do etc)
N. Korea. Even playing field; like w/ Cuba etc.
Iraq. Out or In?
Oil, energy etc:
Excess Profits Taxes.
Simple Tax Form:(Hear the lawyers/accts moan)
Fed Govt Workers Cheating on Working
The VA Hospital Mess.
College Costs Obscenity
Campaign Finance Reform:(The Liars!)
Pork and Earmarks Still:(The Liars)
Congressional Retirement, Pay, Perks.(The cheats
Investigate Tobacco Firms & Congress
Full Investigation Into Our Torturing
Impeachment of Bush/Rumsfelt/Cheney/Rove
This list should have Wagner's music as a soundtrack....
Anti

AOL

#171 Jul 11, 2008
Alex wrote:
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Are you some kind of betrayer of freedom or something? If you like being spied on by the government so much why don't you just move to Communist China?
"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin
"Government is not reason, it is not eloquence, it is force; like fire, a troublesome servant and a fearful master. Never for a moment should it be left to irresponsible action." - George Washington
Thanks for all the brilliant quotes Alex. It's amazing that these men formed a government, and at the same time supplied people with the all the truths necessary to contain it, and the clearest terms for justifiably destroying it when it becomes an enemy to the population.

By stamping the core legal doctrine of the country with the Bill of Rights, they placed, not any organization, corporation, or group of people, but the individual, above all things. Incredible.

“It's like a bad dream ”

Since: May 07

Small Town, South Georgia

#172 Jul 11, 2008
Drift wrote:
I thought thats what you liberals always wanted? Socialized medicine, government control over certian industries(oil) the ability to tell people what to do (banning trans fats for one) and you get all pissy over FISA...
Stupid ass liberals
No, Thats what you conservatives say that us liberals want. Its just more of your propaganda. Repugs are the ones taking away our rights and our freedoms. Do you want our government spying on you without cause?

So you think banning trans fat is worse than losing your 4th amendment rights? Talk about stupid.

* Fourth Amendment
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
Anti

AOL

#173 Jul 11, 2008
Free Thinking American wrote:
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So you think banning trans fat is worse than losing your 4th amendment rights? Talk about stupid.
If someone is inclined to violate the 9th Amendment, then they will violate the 4th also. It's all the same.
PhukGeeDubyaBush

Jerseyville, IL

#174 Jul 12, 2008
War criminals exempt?
Provocateur

San Francisco, CA

#175 Jul 12, 2008
Sick of it wrote:
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It's LIAR not LIER...
THANX
hoopsnow

Panama City, FL

#176 Jul 12, 2008
Free Thinking American wrote:
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No, Thats what you conservatives say that us liberals want. Its just more of your propaganda. Repugs are the ones taking away our rights and our freedoms. Do you want our government spying on you without cause?
So you think banning trans fat is worse than losing your 4th amendment rights? Talk about stupid.
* Fourth Amendment
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
Next it's the OVENS. God help us!
Later for him

Coram, NY

#177 Jul 12, 2008
Coolmind wrote:
When you look at the 14 signs of a fascist state, we are getting very close. Closer than America should ever be. Closer than most Americans realize. While the neo-cons hate communism, they push us to fascism.
http://www.rense.com/general37/char.htm
Hmmmm...Where have I read this before? Oh yes, in the 1930s, 1940s, 1950s, 1960s, 1970s, 1980s and 1990s the Marxists warned us. Of course, they never predicted the collapse of the Soviet Union. And they still haven't seen proof of that mythological land called "the Gulag".
Guess who

Las Vegas, NV

#179 Jul 12, 2008
So what's a good next way to keep a spy outta your communications?
Guess who

Las Vegas, NV

#180 Jul 12, 2008
Would that be interesting if everyone minded there own business?
Guess who

Las Vegas, NV

#181 Jul 12, 2008
But when everything goes National who's business is it?

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#183 Jul 12, 2008
Later for him wrote:
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Hmmmm...Where have I read this before? Oh yes, in the 1930s, 1940s, 1950s, 1960s, 1970s, 1980s and 1990s the Marxists warned us.
Eternal vigilance is the price of democracy.
Of course, they never predicted the collapse of the Soviet Union. And they still haven't seen proof of that mythological land called "the Gulag".
Oh, I am quite happy that the old Soviet Union crumbled. I wish the new one would stop it's progression towards authoritarianism. And it saddens me that our beautiful country is heading in the same direction.
USMC

New Canaan, CT

#184 Jul 12, 2008
If you are not doing anything wrong what is the problem with the government listening in on you? I would rather them listen in and me feel a little safer. Mayb if we would ahve been doing this more in the late in 90's early 2000's we could ahve avoided attacks. If you elect Obama you lose rights that actualy matter on your day to day basis. People blame republicans for this but just wait if Obama is elected we are screwed. He will have us losing our paychecks in extra taxes for this universal health care he wants so lazy people can get the same care as hard working people. He is not going to renew the Bush tax cuts which will raise the average Americans taxes at least 1,000 dollars per year..he will continue to do nothing about oil prices because he wants them to go up all liberals do so that they can push more for alternative energy which i am all for but while we are looking for it let's drill here and try and at least keep prices where they are at teh worst instead of watching them go to 10 dollars per gallon
Pdamerica org

Shirley, NY

#185 Jul 12, 2008
enigma54 wrote:
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Ok, if you say so.
Are you saying "real" Liberals & "real" Conservatives aren't influnced by PACs & special interests? Do you honestly believe they don't take money from these groups?
If that is the case, please contact me ASAP 'cause I have some great bridges for sale you will probably be interested in. And, give my regards to the tooth fairy & Santa. I assume you believe in them as well.
The real Libs and the real Cons for the most part "Do Not Take Corporate Money"!

That is why the media and both parties ridiculed the only truth tellers running in 2008.

Ron Paul, Denis Kucinich, and Mike Gravel

SMARTEN UP!

Remember Howard Dean 2004???

Remember Ross Perot 1992???

two examples.

Since: May 08

Marrero, Louisiana

#186 Jul 12, 2008
Chris Hedges is a @hore.
Sick and Tired

United States

#187 Jul 12, 2008
As a Silicon Valley tech worker who's job went to Pune, India to be done by 5 guys, I would second this. Shoot the offshorers in the head, all they want is their next bonus. As long as they get paid all is well know matter how much turmoil they cause.
Tooth4U wrote:
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Goverment was fine until 1886 Santa Clar Decision.
ya like corporations having Constitutional Rights set forth for the people? DAMN! Even the 14th amendment protections? DAMN!
Corporations are considered people eh? Well then , those corporations who for profit undermine the Sociol Fabric intentionally of America by outsourcing American Technology, jobs and know how should be shot before a firing squad for treason.

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