In immigration bill, answers and practical questions

Apr 20, 2013 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: The York Daily Record

Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y., left, and Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz. laugh during a news conference on Capitol Hill in Washington, Thursday, April 18, 2013, to discuss a wide-ranging immigration bill with support from business executives, religious leaders, activists and others.

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Vakson

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The total immigration system of USA is gone wrong ... People who are illegal gets all the benefits and the Legal family members who kept their sons and daughters file (F1-F2-F3-F4 Category) has to wait more then 15 yrs to get their family reunion.... It is troublesome for the people who r facing the tough time, many old age parents which are separated by this slow immigration system from their loved sons and daughters. Even the foreign Embassy which grant visas, they also deny the Tourist visa to such family members whose files been kept at USCIC. This is total immoral and senseless action of United states visa process for family files.

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Ambro2000 wrote:
You say "11 million that broke our Immigration Laws" but I would say "11 million people that were allowed by USA to get, live and work here". It's human nature to always choose a path to an easier life and this is what these people have done.
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People that win the Green Card Lottery are given Green Card before even being in the USA, knowing English and US culture and 5 years later they can become citizens. Is that to you less degrading than giving citizenship to people that have been here for years and have to wait for it another 13 years ?
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Just because Senator Kennedy was not right it doesn't mean it won't happen this time.
What part of "ILLEGAL" don't you understand?

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Ambro2000 wrote:
You are stuck in ideology here. Now it's a different time and an immigration reform is vital now. Already the border is much more secure than in 1986 and also the technology available right now would make EVerify implementation way easier than would have been 27 years ago.
The inscription at the base of the Statute of Liberty concludes, "I lift my lamp beside the golden door!" It says nothing about welcoming people who bypass our entry doors by climbing walls, swimming rivers and sneaking under border fences.

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Ambro2000 wrote:
So what would be a positive approach to solve this problem?
No more Amnesties!

Our current population is around 315 million (wag), we allow in over 900,000 "LEGAL" immigrants a year. we have 14 million "Americans" that are unemployed and millions more on food stamps

How many more will make you happy?

The "INN" is full!

The amnesty of 1986 was supposed to be a "one time only" amnesty. Yet since
1986, Congress passed a total of 7 amnesties for illegal aliens:

1.. The Immigration and Reform Control Act (IRCA) Amnesty of 1986 - the
"one-time only" blanket amnesty for some 2.8 million illegal aliens.
2.. Section 245(i) The Amnesty of 1994 - a temporary rolling amnesty for
578,000 illegal aliens.
3.. Section 245(i) The Extension Amnesty of 1997 - an extension of the
rolling amnesty created in 1994.
4.. The Nicaraguan Adjustment and Central American Relief Act (NACARA)
Amnesty of 1997 - an amnesty for nearly one million illegal aliens from
Central America.
5.. The Haitian Refugee Immigration Fairness Act Amnesty (HRIFA) of 1998 -
an amnesty for 125,000 illegal aliens from Haiti.
6.. The Late Amnesty of 2000 - an amnesty for approximately 400,000
illegal aliens who claimed they should have been amnestied under the 1986
IRCA amnesty.
7.. The LIFE Act Amnesty of 2000 - a reinstatement of the rolling Section
245(i) amnesty to an estimated 900,000 illegal aliens.
An amnesty is a reward to those breaking the law. Issuing an amnesty to
illegal aliens only encourages more illegal immigration into the United
States. After the 1986 amnesty, illegal immigration increased significantly.
Census Bureau 2000 data indicate that 700,000 to 800,000 illegal aliens
settle in the U.S. each year, with approximately 8-11 million illegal aliens
now currently living in the United States (up to 12 million, according to
Department of Homeland Security Director Tom Ridge).

Yet an amnesty benefits neither our society nor those being amnestied. An
Immigration and Naturalization Service study found that after living in the
United States for 10 years, the average amnestied illegal alien had only a
seventh grade education and earned less than $9,000 a year. Amnestied
illegal aliens have no sponsor to support them financially. Instead, by
enacting an amnesty, Congress places a staggering financial burden on
American taxpayers to support those amnestied.

According to a study by the Center for Immigration Studies, the total net
cost of the 1986 IRCA amnesty (direct and indirect costs of services and
benefits to the former illegal aliens, less their tax contributions)
amounted to over $78 billion in the ten years following the amnesty.

http://www.theamericanresistance.com/issues/a...
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most of illegal aliens dont care about the citizenship.All they want is freedom to work,travel,walk down the street with no risc of beeing deported
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Ambro2000 wrote:
You are stuck in ideology here. Now it's a different time and an immigration reform is vital now. Already the border is much more secure than in 1986 and also the technology available right now would make EVerify implementation way easier than would have been 27 years ago.
Yet every attempt to implement e-verify or any other technology that could reduce the influx of alien criminals has been thwarted by the pro-illegal crowd. It is definitely easier to track down illegal aliens today than in the past which is why we do not need reform, What we need to do is start using the technology to enforce the existing laws.

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Cricket 23 wrote:
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What part of "ILLEGAL" don't you understand?
I don't understand how you can call someone who was allowed to come here illegal. These people are undocumented citizens but they are not illegal since they are not being charged by the court. I clearly think you don't understand this or , most probable, you understand it but you don't like it. America has allowed these 11+ million people because America needed them. Don't tell me America can be the police in this world but can't handle illegal crossing or visa overstaying.

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Cricket 23 wrote:
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The inscription at the base of the Statute of Liberty concludes, "I lift my lamp beside the golden door!" It says nothing about welcoming people who bypass our entry doors by climbing walls, swimming rivers and sneaking under border fences.
Yet these people without documents have been allowed to come , work, and stay here whether you like it or not.

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Cricket 23 wrote:
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No more Amnesties!
Our current population is around 315 million (wag), we allow in over 900,000 "LEGAL" immigrants a year. we have 14 million "Americans" that are unemployed and millions more on food stamps
How many more will make you happy?
The "INN" is full!
The amnesty of 1986 was supposed to be a "one time only" amnesty. Yet since
1986, Congress passed a total of 7 amnesties for illegal aliens:
1.. The Immigration and Reform Control Act (IRCA) Amnesty of 1986 - the
"one-time only" blanket amnesty for some 2.8 million illegal aliens.
2.. Section 245(i) The Amnesty of 1994 - a temporary rolling amnesty for
578,000 illegal aliens.
3.. Section 245(i) The Extension Amnesty of 1997 - an extension of the
rolling amnesty created in 1994.
4.. The Nicaraguan Adjustment and Central American Relief Act (NACARA)
Amnesty of 1997 - an amnesty for nearly one million illegal aliens from
Central America.
5.. The Haitian Refugee Immigration Fairness Act Amnesty (HRIFA) of 1998 -
an amnesty for 125,000 illegal aliens from Haiti.
6.. The Late Amnesty of 2000 - an amnesty for approximately 400,000
illegal aliens who claimed they should have been amnestied under the 1986
IRCA amnesty.
7.. The LIFE Act Amnesty of 2000 - a reinstatement of the rolling Section
245(i) amnesty to an estimated 900,000 illegal aliens.
An amnesty is a reward to those breaking the law. Issuing an amnesty to
illegal aliens only encourages more illegal immigration into the United
States. After the 1986 amnesty, illegal immigration increased significantly.
Census Bureau 2000 data indicate that 700,000 to 800,000 illegal aliens
settle in the U.S. each year, with approximately 8-11 million illegal aliens
now currently living in the United States (up to 12 million, according to
Department of Homeland Security Director Tom Ridge).
Yet an amnesty benefits neither our society nor those being amnestied. An
Immigration and Naturalization Service study found that after living in the
United States for 10 years, the average amnestied illegal alien had only a
seventh grade education and earned less than $9,000 a year. Amnestied
illegal aliens have no sponsor to support them financially. Instead, by
enacting an amnesty, Congress places a staggering financial burden on
American taxpayers to support those amnestied.
According to a study by the Center for Immigration Studies, the total net
cost of the 1986 IRCA amnesty (direct and indirect costs of services and
benefits to the former illegal aliens, less their tax contributions)
amounted to over $78 billion in the ten years following the amnesty.
http://www.theamericanresistance.com/issues/a...
Ok, no more amnesties but what do you do with these 11+ million people that are already here as we speak ?

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Dee Dee Dee wrote:
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Yet every attempt to implement e-verify or any other technology that could reduce the influx of alien criminals has been thwarted by the pro-illegal crowd. It is definitely easier to track down illegal aliens today than in the past which is why we do not need reform, What we need to do is start using the technology to enforce the existing laws.
That could be a solution as well but still, deporting 11+ million would be a very complex and expensive process therefore I think this new bill offers a balanced, realistic, and fair approach.

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Ambro2000 wrote:
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That could be a solution as well but still, deporting 11+ million would be a very complex and expensive process therefore I think this new bill offers a balanced, realistic, and fair approach.
And what happens when it turns out there is really 20 million illegals here? Once legalized they'll be using every entitlement program there is contrary to what Rubio says. Including Social Security and Medicare. Also through chain migration they'll bring in millions more to suck up even more. This country will soon look like the countries the illegals originally came from. Both sides are lying through their teeth. Democrats want to increase their voter base at all costs. Republicans are stupid enough to think if they go along with this they might pick up some voters. They only look at a year down the road not 5 years when the fit hits the shan.

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Ambro2000 wrote:
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Yet these people without documents have been allowed to come , work, and stay here whether you like it or not.
What part of "ILLEGAL" don't you understand?

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America has allowed these 11+ million people because America needed them.

Don't tell me America can be the police in this world but can't handle illegal crossing or visa overstaying.
US-Mexico Border Fence / Great Wall of Mexico
Secure Fence

By one estimate each year between 400,000 and 1 million undocumented migrants try to slip across the rivers and deserts on the 2,000-mile (3,200-km) US-Mexico border. In 2005 over 1.2 million illegal immigrants were apprehended by the Border Patrol.

By one estimate the Border Patrol catches 1 out of every 4 illegal border crossers, and this is typically the estimate public officials use in discussing the problem.

Official Border Patrol statistics are that 1 in 5 illegal aliens are apprehended and arrested. Other estimates suggest it is much higher. These numbers are obviously wildy inconsistent with each other, by as much as an order of magnitude.

Apprehensions along the southern border make up about 97-98% of the total apprehensions.

Most of those apprehended near the southern border are Mexicans.

Statistics are kept of those apprehended near the southern border who are "Other Than Mexicans" or "OTM's". The number of OTM's apprehended near the southern border has been clearly and dramatically increasing from 28,598 in 2000 to 65,814 in 2004.

By another estimate over 155,000 non-Mexican individuals were apprehended trying to enter the United States along the Southwest border in fiscal year 2005.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/security/system...
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Please quit saying 11 million. Everyone that has posted today has said 11 million. 20 million maybe more. And hundreds sneaking in everyday, overstaying their Visa's and self deportation is totally realistic. No job, no welfare, no free healthcare, no EBT, no illegals !!!!

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