Supreme Court won't hear Planned Pare...

Supreme Court won't hear Planned Parenthood funding case

There are 854 comments on the CBS News story from May 28, 2013, titled Supreme Court won't hear Planned Parenthood funding case. In it, CBS News reports that:

The Supreme Court will not disturb a lower court ruling that blocks Indiana's effort to strip Medicaid funds from Planned Parenthood because the organization performs abortions among its medical services.

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zef

Los Angeles, CA

#852 Jun 26, 2013
Bitner wrote:
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Sorry, but you're wrong.
Neither an embryo nor a fetus is a person.
Our age begins at birth, not before. On the day you were born, your age was 0, not 36 weeks (9 months).
Age has nothing to do with determining who is a person, species determines who is a person. Every human is a person regardless of their age, whether that age be embryo, fetus, child, adolescent, or adult.
After birth, gestational age can be measured by looking at the baby's weight, length, head circumference, vital signs, reflexes, muscle tone, posture, and condition of the skin and hair. The baby's developmental gestational age at birth may not be the same as the baby's calendar age at birth. For example, an infant born at 36 weeks may actually have a developmental gestational age of 38 weeks. Such a baby may be more like a full-term infant than a preemie.
zef

Los Angeles, CA

#853 Jun 26, 2013
Bitner wrote:
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LOL, your desperation is palpable. The fetal stage ends at birth, when our age begins. On the day you were born, your age was 0, not 36 weeks (9 months), period.
After birth, calendar age is determined from date of fertilization, while gestational age can be measured by looking at the baby's weight, length, head circumference, vital signs, reflexes, muscle tone, posture, and condition of the skin and hair. The baby's developmental gestational age at birth may not be the same as the baby's calendar age at birth. For example, an infant born at 36 weeks may actually have a developmental gestational age of 38 weeks. Such a baby may be more like a full-term infant than a preemie.
zef

Los Angeles, CA

#854 Jun 26, 2013
Bitner wrote:
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I said nothing about existence, or age determining what is a person, and you're wrong about age. Our age begins at birth, not before. On the day you were born, your age was 0, not 36 weeks (9 months), period. An embryo/fetus is not a person.
Our existence does not begin with birth. Our existence begins with fertilization. Age begins with existence, and nothing else.
A human embryo is a person. A human fetus is a person. Our age begins with our existence, and our existence begins with fertilization. Age has nothing to do with who is or isn't a person. Only whether or not we are human determines who is or isn't a person.
zef

Los Angeles, CA

#855 Jun 26, 2013
Bitner wrote:
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Our age begins at birth, not before. On the day you were born, your age was 0, not 36 weeks (9 months), period.
In humans preterm birth is the birth of a baby of less than 37 weeks gestational age. The cause of preterm birth is in many situations elusive and unknown; many factors appear to be associated with the development of preterm birth, making the reduction of preterm birth a challenging proposition.
Premature birth is defined either as the same as preterm birth, or the birth of a baby before the developing organs are mature enough to allow normal postnatal survival. Premature infants are at greater risk for short and long term complications, including disabilities and impediments in growth and mental development. Significant progress has been made in the care of premature infants, but not in reducing the prevalence of preterm birth. Preterm birth is among the top causes of death in infants worldwide.
An infant's gestational age is determined by several sources of information. First, the woman can provide information about when she had her last menstrual period. An early ultrasound, one done in the first trimester, can closely estimate a baby's due date. A third commonly used method for figuring gestational age is a test called the Dubowitz, which is usually done within 48 hours of delivery. Certain physical signs indicate how developed the infant is, each physical sign noted is given points and the total is then converted into a gestational age for the infant. All these factors are taken into consideration in determining an infant's "true" gestational age.
After birth, gestational age can be measured by looking at the baby's weight, length, head circumference, vital signs, reflexes, muscle tone, posture, and condition of the skin and hair. The baby's developmental gestational age may not be the same as the baby's calendar age. For example, an infant born at 36 weeks may actually have a developmental gestational age of 38 weeks. Such a baby may be more like a full-term infant than a preemie.
Why is it important to determine gestational age? It helps the obstetricians and neonatologists anticipate what complications an infant might be expected to have. This can help them anticipate the infant's needs.
zef

Los Angeles, CA

#856 Jun 26, 2013
Bitner wrote:
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Sorry, but our age does not begin before birth, but right after. You were NOT 36 weeks old on the day of your birth. Your age was 0. That's ZERO. That is a fact, refute it if you can.
A misnomer is a word or term that suggests a meaning that is known to be wrong. Misnomers often arise because the thing named received its name long before its true nature was known.
Young Earth creationism (YEC) is the belief that our planet and universe were created, from nothing, in six days, approximately 6,000 years ago, by the God of the Abrahamic religions. Adherents of young Earth creationism are known as "young Earth creationists", or simply YECs.
While in reality the best measurement of the age of the universe is 13.798 0.037 billion years (4.354&#8201; &#8201; 0.012 1017 seconds) within the Lambda-CDM concordance model. Because measurements of the cosmic background radiation give the cooling time of the universe since the Big Bang, and measurements of the expansion rate of the universe can be used to calculate its approximate age by extrapolating backwards in time.
And the age of the Earth is 4.54 0.05 billion years (4.54 109 years 1%). This age is based on evidence from radiometric age dating of meteorite material and is consistent with the ages of the oldest-known terrestrial and lunar samples.
zef

Los Angeles, CA

#857 Jun 26, 2013
Bitner wrote:
<quoted text>
LOL, your desperation is palpable. The fetal stage ends at birth, when our age begins. On the day you were born, your age was 0, not 36 weeks (9 months), period.
After birth, gestational age can be measured by looking at the baby's weight, length, head circumference, vital signs, reflexes, muscle tone, posture, and condition of the skin and hair. The baby's developmental gestational age on the day you were born may not be the same as the baby's calendar age on the day you were born. For example, an infant born at 36 weeks may actually have a developmental gestational age of 38 weeks. Such a baby may be more like a full-term infant than a preemie.
Why is it important to determine gestational age on the day you were born? It helps the obstetricians and neonatologists anticipate what complications an infant might be expected to have. This can help them anticipate the infant's needs.
zef

Los Angeles, CA

#858 Jun 26, 2013
Bitner wrote:
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Sorry, but you're wrong. Our age does not take into account time spent as an embryo/fetus. Your age started at 0 on the day you were born. That is a fact.
And the moon is made of green cheese.
zef

Los Angeles, CA

#859 Jun 26, 2013
Bitner wrote:
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An embryo/fetus is not a person.
Is an adult/adolescent a person?

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#860 Jun 27, 2013
zef wrote:
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A human embryo is a person. A human fetus is a person.
The baby's developmental gestational age at birth may not be the same as the baby's calendar age at birth. For example, an infant born at 36 weeks may actually have a developmental gestational age of 38 weeks. Such a baby may be more like a full-term infant than a preemie.
Neither an embryo, nor a fetus, is a person. You wanting to pretend otherwise is meaningless to the debate.

Gestational age is a measurement of the PREGNANCY (gestation), not the embryo/fetus.

Our age begins at birth, not before. On the day you were born, your age was 0, NOT 36 weeks. That is a fact.

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#861 Jun 27, 2013
zef wrote:
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Age has nothing to do with determining who is a person, species determines who is a person. Every human is a person regardless of their age, whether that age be embryo, fetus, child, adolescent, or adult.
After birth, gestational age can be measured by looking at the baby's weight, length, head circumference, vital signs, reflexes, muscle tone, posture, and condition of the skin and hair. The baby's developmental gestational age at birth may not be the same as the baby's calendar age at birth. For example, an infant born at 36 weeks may actually have a developmental gestational age of 38 weeks. Such a baby may be more like a full-term infant than a preemie.
"Age has nothing to do with determining who is a person"

I didn't say it did. Stop attributing things to me that I didn't say, liar.

Gestational age refers to the GESTATION (pregnancy), NOT the embryo/fetus.

Our age begins at birth, not before. On the day you were born, your age was 0, not 36 weeks (9 months). You have YET to refute that fact.

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#862 Jun 27, 2013
zef wrote:
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And the moon is made of green cheese.
Thank you, for illustrating your dishonesty.

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#863 Jun 27, 2013
zef wrote:
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Is an adult/adolescent a person?
Since they were born, yes.
zef

Los Angeles, CA

#864 Jun 27, 2013
Bitner wrote:
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Neither an embryo, nor a fetus, is a person. You wanting to pretend otherwise is meaningless to the debate.
Gestational age is a measurement of the PREGNANCY (gestation), not the embryo/fetus.
Our age begins at birth, not before. On the day you were born, your age was 0, NOT 36 weeks. That is a fact.
After birth, gestational age can be measured by looking at the baby's weight, length, head circumference, vital signs, reflexes, muscle tone, posture, and condition of the skin and hair. The baby's developmental gestational age on the day you were born may not be the same as the baby's calendar age on the day you were born. For example, an infant born at 36 weeks may actually have a developmental gestational age of 38 weeks. Such a baby may be more like a full-term infant than a preemie.
Why is it important to determine gestational age on the day you were born? It helps the obstetricians and neonatologists anticipate what complications an infant might be expected to have. This can help them anticipate the infant's needs.
zef

Los Angeles, CA

#865 Jun 27, 2013
Bitner wrote:
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"Age has nothing to do with determining who is a person"
I didn't say it did. Stop attributing things to me that I didn't say, liar.
Gestational age refers to the GESTATION (pregnancy), NOT the embryo/fetus.
Our age begins at birth, not before. On the day you were born, your age was 0, not 36 weeks (9 months). You have YET to refute that fact.
You did say age determines who is a person.
Bitner wrote:
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"LOL! The birth canal makes them a person huh?"
No. Birth does.
Gestational age determines how old the baby is after it is born, and no one is pregnant after the baby is born.
An infant's gestational age is determined by several sources of information. First, the woman can provide information about when she had her last menstrual period. An early ultrasound, one done in the first trimester, can closely estimate a baby's due date. A third commonly used method for figuring gestational age is a test called the Dubowitz, which is usually done within 48 hours of delivery. Certain physical signs indicate how developed the infant is, each physical sign noted is given points and the total is then converted into a gestational age for the infant. All these factors are taken into consideration in determining an infant's "true" gestational age.
After birth, gestational age can be measured by looking at the baby's weight, length, head circumference, vital signs, reflexes, muscle tone, posture, and condition of the skin and hair. The baby's developmental gestational age may not be the same as the baby's calendar age. For example, an infant born at 36 weeks may actually have a developmental gestational age of 38 weeks. Such a baby may be more like a full-term infant than a preemie.
Why is it important to determine gestational age? It helps the obstetricians and neonatologists anticipate what complications an infant might be expected to have. This can help them anticipate the infant's needs.
zef

Los Angeles, CA

#866 Jun 27, 2013
Bitner wrote:
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Since they were born, yes.
zef wrote:
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Is an adult/adolescent a person?
You think adult cows are persons. You think adolescent pigs are persons. You think fetus humans are not a persons. You think embryo humans are not persons.
I think cows and pigs are not persons no matter how old they are. And I think humans are persons no matter how old they are.

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#867 Jun 27, 2013
zef wrote:
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After birth, gestational age can be measured by looking at the baby's weight, length, head circumference, vital signs, reflexes, muscle tone, posture, and condition of the skin and hair. The baby's developmental gestational age on the day you were born may not be the same as the baby's calendar age on the day you were born. For example, an infant born at 36 weeks may actually have a developmental gestational age of 38 weeks. Such a baby may be more like a full-term infant than a preemie.
Why is it important to determine gestational age on the day you were born? It helps the obstetricians and neonatologists anticipate what complications an infant might be expected to have. This can help them anticipate the infant's needs.
It's not my fault you don't understand what you read. Gestational age is the measurement for the PREGNANCY, not the fetus.

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#868 Jun 27, 2013
zef wrote:
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<quoted text>
You think adult cows are persons. You think adolescent pigs are persons. You think fetus humans are not a persons. You think embryo humans are not persons.
I think cows and pigs are not persons no matter how old they are. And I think humans are persons no matter how old they are.
Stop attributing things to me that I did not say, Insane One. I said nothing of the kind, nor do I think that.

I will, however, accept this as tacit admittance from you that you cannot refute my statement.

On the day you were born, your age was o, not 36 weeks. That is a fact.
zef

Los Angeles, CA

#869 Jun 27, 2013
Bitner wrote:
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Stop attributing things to me that I did not say, Insane One. I said nothing of the kind, nor do I think that.
I will, however, accept this as tacit admittance from you that you cannot refute my statement.
On the day you were born, your age was o, not 36 weeks. That is a fact.
On the day I was not born I was not a zygote, and I was only age 0 on the day I became a zygote.
An infants gestational age is never 0, an infants calendar age is never 0. Age is only 0 at the beginning of existence. Existence begins with fertilization.
An infant's gestational age is determined by several sources of information. The woman can provide information about when she had her last menstrual period. A commonly used method for figuring gestational age is a test called the Dubowitz, which is usually done within 48 hours of delivery. Certain physical signs indicate how developed the infant is, each physical sign noted is given points and the total is then converted into a gestational age for the infant. All these factors are taken into consideration in determining an infant's "true" gestational age.
After birth, gestational age can be measured by looking at the baby's weight, length, head circumference, vital signs, reflexes, muscle tone, posture, and condition of the skin and hair. The baby's developmental gestational age may not be the same as the baby's calendar age. For example, an infant born at 36 weeks may actually have a developmental gestational age of 38 weeks. Such a baby may be more like a full-term infant than a preemie.
Why is it important to determine gestational age? It helps the obstetricians and neonatologists anticipate what complications an infant might be expected to have. This can help them anticipate the infant's needs.
A misnomer is a word or term that suggests a meaning that is known to be wrong. Misnomers often arise because the thing named received its name long before its true nature was known.
Young Earth creationism (YEC) is the belief that our planet and universe were created, from nothing, in six days, approximately 6,000 years ago, by the God of the Abrahamic religions. Adherents of young Earth creationism are known as "young Earth creationists", or simply YECs.
While in reality the best measurement of the age of the universe is 13.798 0.037 billion years (4.354&#8201; &#8201; 0.012 1017 seconds) within the Lambda-CDM concordance model. Because measurements of the cosmic background radiation give the cooling time of the universe since the Big Bang, and measurements of the expansion rate of the universe can be used to calculate its approximate age by extrapolating backwards in time. And the age of the Earth is 4.54 0.05 billion years (4.54 109 years 1%). This age is based on evidence from radiometric age dating of meteorite material and is consistent with the ages of the oldest-known terrestrial and lunar samples.

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#870 Jun 27, 2013
zef wrote:
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On the day I was not born I was not a zygote, and I was only age 0 on the day I became a zygote.
An infants gestational age is never 0, an infants calendar age is never 0. Age is only 0 at the beginning of existence. Existence begins with fertilization.
An infant's gestational age is determined by several sources of information. The woman can provide information about when she had her last menstrual period. A commonly used method for figuring gestational age is a test called the Dubowitz, which is usually done within 48 hours of delivery. Certain physical signs indicate how developed the infant is, each physical sign noted is given points and the total is then converted into a gestational age for the infant. All these factors are taken into consideration in determining an infant's "true" gestational age.
After birth, gestational age can be measured by looking at the baby's weight, length, head circumference, vital signs, reflexes, muscle tone, posture, and condition of the skin and hair. The baby's developmental gestational age may not be the same as the baby's calendar age. For example, an infant born at 36 weeks may actually have a developmental gestational age of 38 weeks. Such a baby may be more like a full-term infant than a preemie.
Why is it important to determine gestational age? It helps the obstetricians and neonatologists anticipate what complications an infant might be expected to have. This can help them anticipate the infant's needs.
A misnomer is a word or term that suggests a meaning that is known to be wrong. Misnomers often arise because the thing named received its name long before its true nature was known.
Young Earth creationism (YEC) is the belief that our planet and universe were created, from nothing, in six days, approximately 6,000 years ago, by the God of the Abrahamic religions. Adherents of young Earth creationism are known as "young Earth creationists", or simply YECs.
While in reality the best measurement of the age of the universe is 13.798 0.037 billion years (4.354&#8201; &#8201; 0.012 1017 seconds) within the Lambda-CDM concordance model. Because measurements of the cosmic background radiation give the cooling time of the universe since the Big Bang, and measurements of the expansion rate of the universe can be used to calculate its approximate age by extrapolating backwards in time. And the age of the Earth is 4.54 0.05 billion years (4.54 109 years 1%). This age is based on evidence from radiometric age dating of meteorite material and is consistent with the ages of the oldest-known terrestrial and lunar samples.
You are wrong. And none of this nonsense refutes what I said.

On the day you were born, your age was 0, not 36 weeks. That is a fact.
zef

Los Angeles, CA

#871 Jun 27, 2013
Bitner wrote:
<quoted text>
You are wrong. And none of this nonsense refutes what I said.
On the day you were born, your age was 0, not 36 weeks. That is a fact.
After birth, gestational age can be measured by looking at the baby's weight, length, head circumference, vital signs, reflexes, muscle tone, posture, and condition of the skin and hair. The baby's developmental gestational age on the day you were born may not be the same as the baby's calendar age on the day you were born. For example, an infant born at 36 weeks may actually have a developmental gestational age of 38 weeks.
Why is it important to determine gestational age on the day you were born? It helps the obstetricians and neonatologists anticipate what complications an infant might be expected to have. This can help them anticipate the infant's needs.

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