Letter: Obama's comments overseas ups...

Letter: Obama's comments overseas upsetting

There are 156 comments on the Chico Enterprise-Record story from Apr 24, 2009, titled Letter: Obama's comments overseas upsetting. In it, Chico Enterprise-Record reports that:

I was appalled when viewing video clips and articles of President Barack Obama criticizing the United States during his recent tour in Europe.

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SaneChicoan

United States

#1 Apr 24, 2009
Sorry to say Arthur, as much as I admire the service and sacrifice of the fighting men and women of your generation, the world has changed radically since the days of WWII.

As we emerge from 8 years of the largely criminal Bush administration, we have much to apologize for as Americans.

Our involvement in Iraq was predicated on a lie. Our practice of torture has left us with no credibility upon which to rightly prosecute terrorists, and our unchecked greed and sense of entitlement has brought about a global economic crisis.

Our apologies are long overdue.

Since: Apr 07

Franklin, TN

#3 Apr 24, 2009
The reason why we are fighting this WAR and why we cannot give up or loose it.

If we haven't already.

http://www.geocities.com/jim_hayden2004/

Between 1979 and 2001 the Muslims have murdered OVER 4000 innocent unarmed Americans fighting THEIR WAR against us.

PROUD member of President Soetoro's Domestic Terrorist List.
Charles Kasey Kitterman

Chico, CA

#4 Apr 24, 2009
I hope no one feels really good about our use of nukes or the fire bombing of Japanese civilians that proceeded Nagasaki and Hiroshima. We killed a lot of noncombatants and I hope our President is laying the ground work to avoid this in the future.
northamerikan

Rumsey, CA

#5 Apr 24, 2009
Go get em jimmy boy! get them nasty muslims! we`re countin on you

Since: Dec 08

Chico, CA

#6 Apr 24, 2009
Charles Kasey Kitterman wrote:
I hope no one feels really good about our use of nukes or the fire bombing of Japanese civilians that proceeded Nagasaki and Hiroshima. We killed a lot of noncombatants and I hope our President is laying the ground work to avoid this in the future.
The probable fact that I exist is because my dad did not have to participate in the invasion of the Japanese mainland. My mom and her 3 brothers were also in that war. Think of how different our world might be without some of the people that survived fighting Japan, from Dan Drake to George HW Bush.

At great risk to US pilots we dropped leaflets on Japan prior to the bombing telling civilians to get out of the cities. My uncle Vince was at Peal Harbor. Do I feel sorry for non-combatants that ignored the warnings? No.
Don

Paradise, CA

#7 Apr 24, 2009
You call US possession of nuclear weapons a deterrent to ofreign countries, I call it inspiration. There was a time when all you did was heroic. In particular, the causes of our involvement, Pearl Harbor and U-boat devastation, was a noble cause to get involved.
That's not what's happening now. Iraq and Afghanistan were motivated by lies and profiteering. Human lives became pawns in personal vendettas of paranoia on Cheney's part. Hold on to your honor, but understand that this is a new day, not 1942 and there are other means by which to settle differences without slaughtering innocents.
Max

Chico, CA

#8 Apr 24, 2009
Most Americans and Europeans know the truth that the Bush administration was dismissive of our allies. Early in Bush's presidency when he embarked on his first post-9/11 European visit, he publicly said, "I want to listen the what our allies have to say, but I've already made up my mind." Does it matter whether he made that remark here or there? If you were a European leader or ordinary citizen, could you think America was anything but arrogant? And, when Bush proclaimed that he intended to wipe evil off the earth, could Europeans think America was anything but stupid and drunk with the capabilities of our military? If our president goes anywhere and says anything that majority of our hosts and we know to be true, what's the harm? Are we made better by refusing to admit our faults?

If Obama said anything to mean the US was wrong to us the atomic bomb against Japan, I didn't hear it. You're probably right that using the bomb cost fewer lives than an invasion of Japan. Of those who think our use of the bomb against Japan wrong, had they been in your shoes they'd probably have had a different view.
Matt

Roseville, CA

#9 Apr 24, 2009
SaneChicoan wrote:
Sorry to say Arthur, as much as I admire the service and sacrifice of the fighting men and women of your generation, the world has changed radically since the days of WWII.
As we emerge from 8 years of the largely criminal Bush administration, we have much to apologize for as Americans.
Our involvement in Iraq was predicated on a lie. Our practice of torture has left us with no credibility upon which to rightly prosecute terrorists, and our unchecked greed and sense of entitlement has brought about a global economic crisis.
Our apologies are long overdue.
Waterboarding is not torture. Period.

The U.S. does not owe a single apology to anyone, although I feel that we will in either 4 or 8 years
Clyde

Chico, CA

#10 Apr 24, 2009
SaneChicoan wrote:
Sorry to say Arthur, as much as I admire the service and sacrifice of the fighting men and women of your generation, the world has changed radically since the days of WWII.
As we emerge from 8 years of the largely criminal Bush administration, we have much to apologize for as Americans.
Our involvement in Iraq was predicated on a lie. Our practice of torture has left us with no credibility upon which to rightly prosecute terrorists, and our unchecked greed and sense of entitlement has brought about a global economic crisis.
Our apologies are long overdue.
Sounds like you have the party line down pretty good there "COMMIE".
Max

Chico, CA

#11 Apr 24, 2009
Matt, "Waterboarding isn't torture. Period." you say. If saying it makes it so, you're correct. But, if reasoned analysis means anything, waterboarding is torture. Actually, America has prosecuted several Japanese following WWII because they waterboarded Americans. America is a great country and we have good reason to be proud, but we aren't perfect and when we do bad things (as we have), we ought not be so blinded in our pride that we won't admit it.

To enumerate a few "bads" think of slavery, forcing thousands of innocent Japanese American citizens into concentration camps during WWII with consequent "theft" of their property, and the kidnapping and internment of over a thousand law abiding, Japanese Peruvians during WWII just because they were of Japanese ancestry and living in the western hemisphere. Ruining the lives of innocent people just because it serves our selfish interests or because we feel threatened and hysterical isn't "nothing to apologize for", at least not to everyone.
Good God

Marysville, CA

#12 Apr 24, 2009
Matt and Max, the US not only prosecuted Japanese for water boarding, we executed them. Also, more recently several Texas Deputy Sheriffs were jailed for water boarding a prisoner. By the way, they were not pardoned by then Governor Bush.

Clyde, in stead of a useless, and uninformative comment about "party line", how about factually refuting sane's statements?
Max

Chico, CA

#13 Apr 24, 2009
The list of "bads" resulting from government policy of course is long, as any objective and informed person knows. One "bad" is certainly the Mexican war in which using the fiction that the Mexican army had shot one of our soldiers massed at the Mexican border we defeated the Mexican army and expanded the land mass of the US by a third. We further violated the subsequent treaty by stealing the real estate owned legitimately by Mexicans who's ownership we promised to respect.

No less than Ulysses Grant, who fought brilliantly in the war, said the Mexican war was "one of the most unjust ever waged on a weaker country by a stronger." It sounds as though Grant felt the US might have at least one thing for which to apologize.

Most who want to own up to the wrongs the US has committed don't mean to argue the US is a "bad" nation. The point is that all nations eventually do bad things, and the question is whether we are willing to be candid about our misdeeds and learn from them or pretend we've never done wrong believing the pretense makes us better.
Truman aka idiot

Chico, CA

#14 Apr 24, 2009
The war was over. Japan was done for. Truman was a puppet to some a- hole who was leading him like Rove led Bush around on a leash. This guy wanted it done, it was done. Check your facts you stupid blowhards. You have so much to be ashamed of as an American. Only stupid dull tools from the shed like yourselves wouldn't know that.
Martin Blumgartner

Paradise, CA

#15 Apr 24, 2009
Apparently, Mr Wells has been watching the video tape edited for viewing by Fox News. I'm sure that if Wells had read the transcripts or seen the tapes in full he would feel differently about what our President said. Fox has a great way of manipulating the use of propaganda through deceitful editing... Sadly, many people fall for their dishonesty.

Japan was no where near building the bomb.

The Japanese were thoughly beaten and looking for any way possibe out of the war. They had been putting out peace feelers for many months prior to the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. There was no fight left in them. Their war machine was completely destroyed.

The true reason that an invasion was contemplated was the fact that by June of 1945 the Soviet Union's huge armies were freed up from the conflict in Europe and were preparing to invade Japan. Anyone that doubts this fact should read about the huge numbers of Japanese troops left in Manchuria, China and Korea- it was these troops who fought the Soviets and nearly 1.5 million of them died in the effort. Far more Japanese troops were in China and Manchuria than all of the islands Mr Wells fought in. It is the war never told about to American school children.

The U.S. could not bear the thought of giving up Japan to the Soviets. The bomb was dropped to pre-empt the Soviet invasion of Japan- not because the Japanese wanted to continue fighting but to keep Japan for our own. It is an irony that is lost on Americans who will be forever deluded regarding the truth for the reasons to use the bomb.
Shady Lady

Barrington, IL

#16 Apr 24, 2009
President Truman was probably the last strong Democrat leader, and nobody led him around by the nose. By ending the war when he did he likely saved millions of lives. There is no Democrat today that can make the tough decisions. That is why we will again be attacked by Obama;s Muslim brothers. The Iraq war was all but over until our enemies there saw Obama humiliated by 4 deranged, drugged up pirates, and they are emboldened to attack, and kill again.
Martin Blumgartner

Paradise, CA

#17 Apr 24, 2009
Jim Hayden wrote:
The reason why we are fighting this WAR and why we cannot give up or loose it.
If we haven't already.
http://www.geocities.com/jim_hayden2004/
Between 1979 and 2001 the Muslims have murdered OVER 4000 innocent unarmed Americans fighting THEIR WAR against us.
PROUD member of President Soetoro's Domestic Terrorist List.
Another one oxygen starved at birth...
Sally McBride

Paradise, CA

#18 Apr 24, 2009
Shady Lady wrote:
President Truman was probably the last strong Democrat leader, and nobody led him around by the nose. By ending the war when he did he likely saved millions of lives. There is no Democrat today that can make the tough decisions. That is why we will again be attacked by Obama;s Muslim brothers. The Iraq war was all but over until our enemies there saw Obama humiliated by 4 deranged, drugged up pirates, and they are emboldened to attack, and kill again.
You need immediate help dear. Try sedatives mixed with large doses of alcohol.
Charles Kasey Kitterman

Chico, CA

#19 Apr 24, 2009
pypr wrote:
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The probable fact that I exist is because my dad did not have to participate in the invasion of the Japanese mainland. My mom and her 3 brothers were also in that war. Think of how different our world might be without some of the people that survived fighting Japan, from Dan Drake to George HW Bush.
At great risk to US pilots we dropped leaflets on Japan prior to the bombing telling civilians to get out of the cities. My uncle Vince was at Peal Harbor. Do I feel sorry for non-combatants that ignored the warnings? No.
I never said we should or shouldn't have nuked or fire bombed (which I think killed a lot more people than nukes) civilians populations. Both of my grandfathers fought the Japanese hand to hand. I understand if killing massive amounts of women and children gives you warm and satisfying feeling. I think a lot of Americans share that sentiment when they are not directly responsible for those actions.
tiredofthesos

Japan

#20 Apr 24, 2009
Sally McBride wrote:
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You need immediate help dear. Try sedatives mixed with large doses of alcohol.
The lady is definitely not in possession of anything within sight of facts, much less truth or reason, but I wish everyone would stop with the faux-medical and -substance abuse insults. Using kindergarten euphemisms like "pee-pee" and "rearend-face" would be a refreshing, if temporarily so, step up.
tiredofthesos

Japan

#21 Apr 24, 2009
Charles Kasey Kitterman wrote:
<quoted text>I never said we should or shouldn't have nuked or fire bombed (which I think killed a lot more people than nukes) civilians populations. Both of my grandfathers fought the Japanese hand to hand. I understand if killing massive amounts of women and children gives you warm and satisfying feeling. I think a lot of Americans share that sentiment when they are not directly responsible for those actions.
CKK, you know I consider some of your posts here rather, uh, "offbeat", but I want you to know I think your heart's pretty much always in the right place.
Not that it matters in any big way, y'know.

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