Some Minn. Lawmakers Face Gay Marriage Conflict

Nov 14, 2012 Full story: EDGE 164

ST. PAUL, Minn. - More valuable than any poll, Minnesota lawmakers got a strong pulse of their constituents this week on gay marriage through district-by-district, town-by-town results of a vote that rejected a constitutional ban on same-sex marriage.

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“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#21 Nov 14, 2012
Jane Dough wrote:
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How about a compromise where you get ALL the rights and in return cede the name Marriage to the religious?
so is it really about the rights, then?
Nope, just like in Maryland, Maine, & Washington we'll settle for nothing less that full marriage equality, including the name.

MN, IL, RI, DE, HI all on deck......

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#22 Nov 14, 2012
Jane Dough wrote:
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they would ALL be civil partnerships there would be no legally recognized "marriage" for anyone...just civil partnerships..so all of this would be addressed...
so you agree with it, right?
Feel free to work on that. While you're convincing all the heteros to give up the term marriage, we'll be passing marriage equality in MN, IL, RI, DE, HI, etc.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#23 Nov 14, 2012
Jane Dough wrote:
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its a sweet deal for the gays and even they reject it, so prolly not...
BUT the hypothetical was useful for me to see that without the name, the rights mean very little to you guys...
32 states dude...las vegas isn't putting odds on you winning...
Actually there are constitutional bans in only 30 states, and we'll start on those by repealing Oregon's ban in 2014. One state at a time baby.

Btw, Las Vegas didn't put odds on us winning ALL FOUR VOTES either!

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#24 Nov 14, 2012
Fa-Foxy wrote:
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You're wasting your time and effort. You will never convice haters liker this person, or anyone who thinks like them. They're a waste of effort.
Kinda like you when you kept insisting Obama ordered Sen Reid not to allow a vote to repeal DADT in the Senate, and even IF there was a vote it would never pass, and even IF it DID pass Obama would never sign the repeal, because he secretly supported DADT.

Yep, some people are indeed a waste of effort (wink, wink.....)

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#25 Nov 14, 2012
Back to the topic at hand.

While the Dems (actually DFL) took back both the House & Senate in Minnesota, and have a Gov who supports marriage equality, I wouldn't expect them to make the same mistake the GOP made by moving too soon on marriage.

They're likely to take 2013 passing a budget, dealing with taxes and spending and pension reform, etc. Once that is done, then they'll pass a marriage equality bill.

Btw, the majority of districts voted for the amendment, but as usual the populous areas of the state voted against bigotry.

“ WOOF ! ”

Since: Nov 12

33.00, -111.51

#26 Nov 14, 2012
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Kinda like you when you kept insisting Obama ordered Sen Reid not to allow a vote to repeal DADT in the Senate, and even IF there was a vote it would never pass, and even IF it DID pass Obama would never sign the repeal, because he secretly supported DADT.
Yep, some people are indeed a waste of effort (wink, wink.....)
You don't have to respond to my posts if you don't like them.

:)

“Together for 24, legal for 5”

Since: Sep 07

Littleton, NH

#27 Nov 15, 2012
WeTheSheeple wrote:
Back to the topic at hand.
While the Dems (actually DFL) took back both the House & Senate in Minnesota, and have a Gov who supports marriage equality, I wouldn't expect them to make the same mistake the GOP made by moving too soon on marriage.
They're likely to take 2013 passing a budget, dealing with taxes and spending and pension reform, etc. Once that is done, then they'll pass a marriage equality bill.
Btw, the majority of districts voted for the amendment, but as usual the populous areas of the state voted against bigotry.
Sheeple, you know a lot more about MN than I,do. But it seems to me you predicted the amendment would pass.

From what I can see, a measured approach is warranted in MN. maybe civil unions in 2014 and marriage equality in 2016 or 2017?

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#28 Nov 15, 2012
Jane Dough wrote:
<quoted text>
they would ALL be civil partnerships there would be no legally recognized "marriage" for anyone...just civil partnerships..so all of this would be addressed...
so you agree with it, right?
So, just try getting all the world to agree with you before you can get on with your life.
Aphelion

Melbourne, FL

#29 Nov 15, 2012
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Nope, just like in Maryland, Maine, & Washington we'll settle for nothing less that full marriage equality, including the name.
MN, IL, RI, DE, HI all on deck......
Which is why your group is rejected by the majority of the citizens when it comes to this subject.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#30 Nov 15, 2012
Fa-Foxy wrote:
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You don't have to respond to my posts if you don't like them.
:)
But I DO like pointing out your hypocrisy and sheer stupidity!

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#31 Nov 15, 2012
nhjeff wrote:
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Sheeple, you know a lot more about MN than I,do. But it seems to me you predicted the amendment would pass.
From what I can see, a measured approach is warranted in MN. maybe civil unions in 2014 and marriage equality in 2016 or 2017?
I did indeed predict the amendment would pass; I'm SO happy to be proven wrong. I did say it would be close either way. I called my parents to thank them for voting against the amendment in spite of their reservations.

At this point I think civil unions would be a waste of time. The lines are pretty clearly drawn, and the DFL & the Gov are on record supporting marriage equality. It's not like it would come as a suprise to anyone.

I'm fairly confident a marriage bill will come up either late in 2013 or early in 2014 once the budget and other issues are taken care of.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#32 Nov 15, 2012
Aphelion wrote:
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Which is why your group is rejected by the majority of the citizens when it comes to this subject.
The votes in Maine, Washington, Maryland, & Minnesota prove otherwise.

Every poll shows a majority of Americans now support marriage equality.

“ WOOF ! ”

Since: Nov 12

33.00, -111.51

#33 Nov 15, 2012
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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But I DO like pointing out your hypocrisy and sheer stupidity!
But you never point out when I'm Fair. And Balanced.

:(

Since: Jun 11

AOL

#34 Nov 15, 2012
Aphelion wrote:
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Which is why your group is rejected by the majority of the citizens when it comes to this subject.
“It is of great importance in a republic not only to guard the society against the oppression of its rulers, but to guard one part of the society against the injustice of the other part … If a majority be united by a common interest, the rights of the minority will be insecure.” James Madison

Irrational prejudice is the reason equal rights have been rejected in the past. Our continued efforts to demonstrate that prejudice is irrational as well as harmful is the reason more and more people now realize the past discrimination served no rational purpose, and why support has increased to over 50%. The majority of Americans now support equality, and that figure continues to grow as discrimination is shown to serve no legitimate governmental interest and does nothing but harm.

The majority now support equal rights. They just aren't evenly distributed in every state. Join us.
"The greatest and noblest pleasure which men can have in this world is to discover new truths; and the next is to shake off old prejudices.” Frederick The Great

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#35 Nov 15, 2012
Fa-Foxy wrote:
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But you never point out when I'm Fair. And Balanced.
:(
I point out that you're fairly unbalanced all the time....

“Together for 24, legal for 5”

Since: Sep 07

Littleton, NH

#36 Nov 15, 2012
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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I did indeed predict the amendment would pass; I'm SO happy to be proven wrong. I did say it would be close either way. I called my parents to thank them for voting against the amendment in spite of their reservations.
At this point I think civil unions would be a waste of time. The lines are pretty clearly drawn, and the DFL & the Gov are on record supporting marriage equality. It's not like it would come as a suprise to anyone.
I'm fairly confident a marriage bill will come up either late in 2013 or early in 2014 once the budget and other issues are taken care of.
I'm glad your parents came around and voted against. It will result in much less strain over the holidays.

BTW: I had an "aha moment" on election day. We met a woman walking down the street who was truly conflicted about her vote. She had gay friends and family members whom she wanted to support, but she didn't want to "redefine marriage." We went through all the standard talking points, with which she was already familiar. It seemed like she would head to the polls still in doubt, which usually translates into a "no."

As we parted, I pointed out that we didn't redefine "soldier" when we inducted women into the military. She seemed to like that. I'm sure it changed her outlook as she headed to the polls.

Since: Jun 11

AOL

#37 Nov 15, 2012
Fa-Foxy wrote:
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You're wasting your time and effort. You will never convice haters liker this person, or anyone who thinks like them. They're a waste of effort.
While I would agree some will never change, I know some can and do. In the meantime, demonstrating the arguments in support of discrimination have no rational basis and only cause needless suffering and death, doesn't feel like a waste of time or effort. If nothing else, it helps prepare me for those rare instances where I run into someone who is on the fence, or unsure of their support.(Usually in other places than Topix)

"No prejudice has ever been able to prove its case in the court of reason.” Marguerite Gardiner

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#38 Nov 15, 2012
nhjeff wrote:
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I'm glad your parents came around and voted against. It will result in much less strain over the holidays.
BTW: I had an "aha moment" on election day. We met a woman walking down the street who was truly conflicted about her vote. She had gay friends and family members whom she wanted to support, but she didn't want to "redefine marriage." We went through all the standard talking points, with which she was already familiar. It seemed like she would head to the polls still in doubt, which usually translates into a "no."
As we parted, I pointed out that we didn't redefine "soldier" when we inducted women into the military. She seemed to like that. I'm sure it changed her outlook as she headed to the polls.
Maybe you should take your powers of persuasion down to Rhode Island and find some constituents of Sen Weed......

“Together for 24, legal for 5”

Since: Sep 07

Littleton, NH

#39 Nov 15, 2012
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Maybe you should take your powers of persuasion down to Rhode Island and find some constituents of Sen Weed......
Fortunately, we don't have to go to the ballot in Rhode Island. I'll leave the congressional lobbying to the pros and to Rhode Islanders.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#40 Nov 15, 2012
nhjeff wrote:
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Fortunately, we don't have to go to the ballot in Rhode Island. I'll leave the congressional lobbying to the pros and to Rhode Islanders.
I used to know some people stationed in Newport (Sen Weed's district), but I doubt they're still there. It's amazing how effective a personal visit from one of your constituents can be.

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