Once slow-moving threat, global warming speeds up, leaving litt...

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When Bill Clinton took office in 1993, global warming was a slow-moving environmental problem that was easy to ignore.

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gcaveman1

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<quoted text>Wolverine makes it official ‘project will cease’
Editor | December 17, 2013
by Richard Lamb–Advance Editor
This time the word is final. The plug has officially been pulled on the Wolverine Clean Energy project.
“It is with a great deal of sadness I need to tell this community that we are ceasing our development on the clean energy venture,” said Wolverine’s CEO Eric Baker to an invited group of community leaders this morning (Tuesday, Dec. 17)....
http://demo.piadvance.com/2013/12/wolverine-m...
Welcome to Obamaville.
"after many delays at the state level"

I wonder what caused those?

Obama?

Maybe competition from natural gas is the cause, but deniers like to blame the government or....

OBAMA!
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I've made no claims of fraud.

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Bullshit. That's exactly what you were implying. But YOU have no proof.

Deniers are such pinheads.

“Let's X Change!!”

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Bullshit. That's exactly what you were implying. But YOU have no proof.
Deniers are such pinheads.
is this another example of your debating skills and superior wit "lameman"???

LOL

what a dolt.

you and litesong belong in the same group.......no question about that, son.
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Reddit also bans the deniers:

Instead of the reasoned and civil conversations that arise in most threads, when it came to climate change the comment sections became a battleground. Rather than making thoughtful arguments based on peer-reviewed science to refute man-made climate change, contrarians immediately resorted to aggressive behaviors. On one side, deniers accused any of the hard-working scientists whose research supported and furthered our understanding of man-made climate change of being bought by “Big Green.” On the other side, deniers were frequently insulted and accused of being paid to comment on reddit by “Big Oil.”

After some time interacting with the regular denier posters, it became clear that they could not or would not improve their demeanor. These problematic users were not the common “internet trolls” looking to have a little fun upsetting people. Such users are practically the norm on reddit. These people were true believers, blind to the fact that their arguments were hopelessly flawed, the result of cherry-picked data and conspiratorial thinking. They had no idea that the smart-sounding talking points from their preferred climate blog were, even to a casual climate science observer, plainly wrong. They were completely enamored by the emotionally charged and rhetoric-based arguments of pundits on talk radio and Fox News.

As a scientist myself, it became clear to me that the contrarians were not capable of providing the science to support their “skepticism” on climate change. The evidence simply does not exist to justify continued denial that climate change is caused by humans and will be bad. There is always legitimate debate around the cutting edge of research, something we see regularly. But with climate change, science that has been established, constantly tested, and reaffirmed for decades was routinely called into question.

Over and over, solid peer-reviewed science was insulted as corrupt, while blog posts from fossil-fuel-funded groups were cited as objective fact. Worst of all, they didn’t even get the irony of quoting oil-funded blogs that called university scientists biased.

We discovered that the disruptive faction that bombarded climate change posts was actually substantially smaller than it had seemed. Just a small handful of people ran all of the most offensive accounts. What looked like a substantial group of objective skeptics to the outside observer was actually just a few bitter and biased posters with more opinions then evidence.

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Sounds like Reddit had a few cavemen seeking anal penetration.
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gcaveman1 wrote:
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Bullshit. That's exactly what you were implying. But YOU have no proof.
Deniers are such pinheads.
Global warming zealots are so tedious.

The best kept secret of the warmists is where they get their funding, who gets it and how it's spent.
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<quoted text> is this another example of your debating skills and superior wit "lameman"???
LOL
what a dolt.
you and litesong belong in the same group.......no question about that, son.
All I said is that if funding sources is a reason to dismiss "science" on one side of the argument, then it's just as valid against the other.

Why is that such a controversial statement?

Because warmists hate having their "standards" applied to themselves.
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Global warming zealots are so tedious.
The best kept secret of the warmists is where they get their funding, who gets it and how it's spent.
The best kept secret is any real science to support the religion of global warming.

Now the buffoons want to seed the atmosphere with sulfuric acid to offset warming.

Hmmmm,,,,

“CAPS LOCK CAUSE CLIMATE CHANGE”

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"after many delays at the state level" I wonder what caused those? Obama? Maybe competition from natural gas is the cause, but deniers like to blame the government or.... OBAMA!
Have you seen the EPA's latest regulations for new coal plants? Obama promised he'd shut down new coal generators, that's one promise he kept.
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<quoted text>Have you seen the EPA's latest regulations for new coal plants? Obama promised he'd shut down new coal generators, that's one promise he kept.
It is hard to give Obama the credit for this one. The MAJOR reason for cancelling new coal plants has been the cheapness and availability of new and cheaper Natural Gas from fracking.

And he doesn't 'run' the EPA. The EPA was established by Act of Congress and is independent of the Executive branch (and the legal branch has given it a green light).

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It is hard to give Obama the credit for this one. The MAJOR reason for cancelling new coal plants has been the cheapness and availability of new and cheaper Natural Gas from fracking.
And he doesn't 'run' the EPA. The EPA was established by Act of Congress and is independent of the Executive branch (and the legal branch has given it a green light).
For once a sensible post based on fact as opposed to 20 others from deniers who make it up as they go. It's one of the main reasons the US has been able to reduce emissions not by design but by market forces. Although fracking in itself poses a whole new threat to the environment that is every bit as bad as CO2 emissions. Sooner or later clean energy projects have to take top billing over fossil fuel ones. That can only be done by governments taking action and use the same market forces to steer it that way. Something the deniers oppose even talking about!
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That can only be done by governments taking action and use the same market forces to steer it that way.!
>>From University of Southern California another lesson from the economic train wreck that is Greece; people stop worrying about the environment when you make cleaner fuels too expensive to use.

The price for heating oil has skyrocketed in Greece over the last two years (the government raised the taxes on heating oil 450% this fall alone), and now many residents are turning to wood burning for winter heat since they can’t afford the oil, which has affected the city’s air quality

Greek economic crisis leads to air pollution crisis

Levels of dangerous air particulates jump 30 percent as people turn to burning cheaper fuel sources

In the midst of a winter cold snap, a study from researchers in the United States and Greece reveals an overlooked side effect of economic crisis – dangerous air quality caused by burning cheaper fuel for warmth.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/12/19/environ...

Yeah... there's an example to follow.

Do your part... sit in the dark.
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>>If Manmade Greenhouse Gases Are Responsible for the Warming of the Global Oceans then why do the vertical mean temperature anomalies (NODC 0-2000 meter data) of the Pacific Ocean as a whole and of the North Atlantic fail to show any warming over the past decade, a period when ARGO floats have measured subsurface temperatures, providing reasonably complete coverage of the global oceans?

Or, in other words, why is the warming of the global oceans (0-2000 meters) over the past 10 years limited to the Indian and South Atlantic Oceans, when carbon dioxide is said to be a well-mixed greenhouse gas, meaning all ocean basins should be warming?

Or, to look at it in yet another way, we’re being told that, while surface temperatures are no longer warming, the oceans to depth continue to warm…yet the warming is not occurring in the largest ocean basin, the Pacific, and the North Atlantic is showing evidence of cooling.

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‘Twas the nightmare before Christmas
By Joe Bastardi

‘Twas the week before Christmas, when all through the news,
There were reports of record cold, so many were confused.
Told global warming is why we should care,
And that the point of no return would soon be here.

The children were bombarded with tales of dread,
While visions of climate disasters were stuck in each little head.
And mamma in her Prius, and I on my bike,
To save the planet, got rid of the cars that we like.

When suddenly in the data there arose such a clatter,
The earth was not warming, what could be the matter?
The warming stopped, as quick as a flash,
Leaving proponents in sack-cloth, bathing in ash.

For far too common was new-fallen snow,
More than forecasted, temperatures 0 or below.
And, what to my wondering eye there appears,
But an uptick in sea ice, and even more polar bears.

With a little old driver, called the PDO,
I knew in a moment it had to be so.
Howling like beagles fearing the shame,
AGW pushers called skeptics many a name!

“Now, Denier! now, madman! now neanderthal, you’re lying!
You’re an idiot! you’re stupid, know nothing, we’re frying!
To the top of the chart! breaking through the temperature wall!
The warmings out of control, it’s frying us all!”

As dry leaves that before the wild hurricane fly,
This is the worst drought ever, global warming is why.
So up to the IPCC the climate pushers flew,
With a gravy train of grants, and politics too.

Make economies pay, we need no proof,
Just keep saying temperatures are going through the roof.
With the media complicit, my head was turning around,
To see the global temperature level off and then come down.

The warming had stopped, in their mouth was their foot,
Exposing the scam, and making off with the loot.
Readjusting temperatures, from many years back,
Peddling disinformation to the media pack.

At conferences they would drink and make merry!
While the deceit grew in a way, that made it quite scary!
For the tide it had turned, there was cold that would show,
You can’t say it’s warmer, if there’s too much snow.

The cold that was showing led to chattering of teeth,
As the cycle came full circle, not unlike a wreath.
The face of global warming had become a subject smelly,
Their position as “solid,” as a bowlful of jelly!

Hockey sticks broken, sea ice on the increase,
I laughed when I heard their excuses not cease.
Events we all knew were something ahead,
Were twisted into worst ever, something to dread.

How dare mother nature destroy AGW’s life’s work,
These deniers are as nasty as a Miley Cyrus Twerk.
But the data is there and everyone knows,
The temperatures leveled off while CO2 rose!

So when in the wire, you hear the cold wind whistle,
The AGW agenda is ready for dismissal.
So let me exclaim, as this fades out of sight,
“Happy Christmas to all, and to all a good-night!”

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Too bad old Joe must resort to rimes because he has no scientific background to deny the science. But he does an admirable job of separating fact from fiction by ignoring the facts. It is another black mark against old Anthony.
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Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
Too bad old Joe must resort to rimes because he has no scientific background to deny the science. But he does an admirable job of separating fact from fiction by ignoring the facts. It is another black mark against old Anthony.
Once again, you waste bandwidth... running up your carbon footprint for no reason at all.

You should feel bad about that, but so many warminsts are hypocrites.

Do your part... sit in the dark.

btw, it's "rhymes".

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Mothra wrote:
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Once again, you waste bandwidth... running up your carbon footprint for no reason at all.
You should feel bad about that, but so many warminsts are hypocrites.
Do your part... sit in the dark.
btw, it's "rhymes".
BTW, rime is thin ice. Exactly what you and old Joe stand upon.
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Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
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BTW, rime is thin ice. Exactly what you and old Joe stand upon.
Once again, you waste bandwidth... running up your carbon footprint for no reason at all.

You should feel bad about that, but so many warminsts are hypocrites.

Do your part... sit in the dark.

"Joe must resort to rimes".... Gee.. in "context" you're clearly talking about the poem.

Pathetic argument.
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Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
Too bad old Joe must resort to rimes because he has no scientific background to deny the science. But he does an admirable job of separating fact from fiction by ignoring the facts. It is another black mark against old Anthony.
NUT JOB
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....... dismiss "science" on one side of the argument, then it's just as valid against the other.
"....just as valid" would eliminate 97+% of AGW science. "motheaten" thinks that "valid", since his much quoted scientists make up less 3% of AGW science. Each of "motheaten's" "soldiers" kill off 30+ of the enemy....... fair & even up for sure...... according to toxic topix AGW deniers who have no science, chemistry, astronomy, physics, algebra & pre-calc in their poorly (or non-) earned hi skule DEE-plooomaas.

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