As Highway and Air Travel Slump, Inte...

As Highway and Air Travel Slump, Intercity Train Trips Increase

There are 15 comments on the dc.streetsblog.org story from Nov 26, 2012, titled As Highway and Air Travel Slump, Intercity Train Trips Increase. In it, dc.streetsblog.org reports that:

If your holiday plans happen to include taking the train to another city, you’re in good company. As has been widely reported, Amtrak has broken ridership records throughout the year. A total of 31.2 million passengers boarded Amtrak trains in the fiscal year that ended September 30; that’s an increase of 3.5 percent over the previous year.

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Robert

Lithia Springs, GA

#1 Nov 26, 2012
I looked at them for my last trip, by car it was Saturday and Sunday on the road then Monday through Thursday at my destination. Leave Saturday morning and arrive back home Saturday evening.$ 317 in fuel each way for my global warming SUV.

By train can't leave till Sunday (no westbound trains from Atlanta on Saturday)then 1 night in NO followed by 1 night on the train. The second leg is 29 hours and I can't spend it in a chair, I got to at least have one of those chairs that recline all the way so I can sleep at night (extra $ 185 each way). I have to leave early in order to make it back before the next Monday so that means Thursday evening instead of Friday morning.

Driving-2 nights on the road, 5 days at my destination and $634 in fuel for 2 people.

Train-4 nights on the road, 2 days at my destination and $1,142 train tickets. You might have the problem of renting a car at your destination.

Trains here are not ready for prime time, it is a wonder that they can survive like that having days they don't travel on. You know you can get an airline ticket any day of the week not just certain days. I guess that is what happens when the government supports you instead of customers.

“Yeah, but...”

Since: Sep 11

MILKY WAY

#2 Nov 26, 2012
Amtrak may be breaking ridership records, but I'll bet they're still losing money!
xxxrayted

Brook Park, OH

#3 Nov 26, 2012
Agreed. It's probably the only time they made any money. Thank goodness Kasich stopped that stupid train DumBama wanted to build. Nobody would ride it and it would have been a burden on Ohio taxpayers.
Robert

Lithia Springs, GA

#4 Nov 26, 2012
SirPrize wrote:
Amtrak may be breaking ridership records, but I'll bet they're still losing money!
They are, and it is a good example of what happens when the government starts getting involved in running things. Take Amtrak food service, it needs to be privatized. A food service company could lower the price of food and still turn a profit. The union will not allow that though and elected politicians beholden to unions will not force the change either, they will just make you and I pay for the inefficiencies. A hamburger cost $9.50 but if you include the labor from the food service worker it is $16 dollars to us tax payers. Republicans in congress held hearings and suggested that he food service on Amtrak be privatized but democrats just don't see the need. In 10 years food service on Amtrak lost 834 million dollars largely because of waste, employee theft and lack of proper oversight, this according to GAO auditors. Unions have no use for an efficient food service that makes money for the company, they can just keep loosing money and the tax payers will keep paying.

Just think of what government involvement is going to do to healthcare.

“i hope we can change this!”

Since: Aug 08

usa

#5 Nov 26, 2012
a 3% increase! wow...
so, they lost 3% less?
xxxrayted

Brook Park, OH

#6 Nov 26, 2012
Robert wrote:
<quoted text>
They are, and it is a good example of what happens when the government starts getting involved in running things. Take Amtrak food service, it needs to be privatized. A food service company could lower the price of food and still turn a profit. The union will not allow that though and elected politicians beholden to unions will not force the change either, they will just make you and I pay for the inefficiencies. A hamburger cost $9.50 but if you include the labor from the food service worker it is $16 dollars to us tax payers. Republicans in congress held hearings and suggested that he food service on Amtrak be privatized but democrats just don't see the need. In 10 years food service on Amtrak lost 834 million dollars largely because of waste, employee theft and lack of proper oversight, this according to GAO auditors. Unions have no use for an efficient food service that makes money for the company, they can just keep loosing money and the tax payers will keep paying.
Just think of what government involvement is going to do to healthcare.
LOL. Your comment reminds me of when I went to the post office a few years ago. There was a line of about ten people and only one worker trying to take care of all of us. As we stood there, a black woman behind me made a comment about the pathetic situation. I replied "Just think, this is what Obama wants to do with our healthcare."

Man did she give me a dirty look. LOL!

“It's a Brand New Day”

Since: Feb 06

New Rochelle

#7 Nov 26, 2012
Robert wrote:
I looked at them for my last trip, by car it was Saturday and Sunday on the road then Monday through Thursday at my destination. Leave Saturday morning and arrive back home Saturday evening.$ 317 in fuel each way for my global warming SUV.
By train can't leave till Sunday (no westbound trains from Atlanta on Saturday)then 1 night in NO followed by 1 night on the train. The second leg is 29 hours and I can't spend it in a chair, I got to at least have one of those chairs that recline all the way so I can sleep at night (extra $ 185 each way). I have to leave early in order to make it back before the next Monday so that means Thursday evening instead of Friday morning.
Driving-2 nights on the road, 5 days at my destination and $634 in fuel for 2 people.
Train-4 nights on the road, 2 days at my destination and $1,142 train tickets. You might have the problem of renting a car at your destination.
Trains here are not ready for prime time, it is a wonder that they can survive like that having days they don't travel on. You know you can get an airline ticket any day of the week not just certain days. I guess that is what happens when the government supports you instead of customers.
If you were as creative in your travel plaqns as you were in your little fantasy here, it would have cost you much less to travel by train.

However, if you want to go roaming at your destination; yes, you'd have to rent a car, or take local mass transportation.

Let someone else make your trip plans next time, someione honest and competant.

“your life is great”

Since: Aug 09

you poop in clean water

#8 Nov 26, 2012
ironically, if the rail system in the US were upgraded and expanded, it could become the norm.
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xxxrayted

Brook Park, OH

#9 Nov 26, 2012
anneutral wrote:
ironically, if the rail system in the US were upgraded and expanded, it could become the norm.
.
Right. A normal waste of money. If there were any future in railways, private industry would have jumped on it years ago.

“It's a Brand New Day”

Since: Feb 06

New Rochelle

#11 Nov 26, 2012
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
Right. A normal waste of money. If there were any future in railways, private industry would have jumped on it years ago.
You are surely unaware that our great highway sysem is totally financed by government subsidy.
xxxrayted

Brook Park, OH

#12 Nov 26, 2012
Mr_Bill wrote:
<quoted text>
You are surely unaware that our great highway sysem is totally financed by government subsidy.
No, our highway system is one that most everybody desires. There are no buying environmental votes in the process. We all need our highways because we all want to drive our cars and trucks on them. We support this because we don't want to be stuck on a train somewhere going 15 mph to get where we are going.

Taxpayer dollars should be used to provide services by our government for the majority of taxpayers. Taxpayers do not want trains. If the private market could somehow capitalize on roadways, they would and we wouldn't need the government to get involved.
Robert

Lithia Springs, GA

#13 Nov 27, 2012
Mr_Bill wrote:
<quoted text>
If you were as creative in your travel plaqns as you were in your little fantasy here, it would have cost you much less to travel by train.
However, if you want to go roaming at your destination; yes, you'd have to rent a car, or take local mass transportation.
Let someone else make your trip plans next time, someione honest and competant.
Sure mr bill why don't you do it for me, i have saturday and sunday as regular off days (that is not so unusual) I am taking 5 days off in between my regular off days to give me 9 days to play with while only burning 5 days of leave, once again that is what most people would do. Going from Atlanta to El Paso the most time you will get in El Paso is one evening, all of the next day and one day up to late afternoon, don't believe me try it yourself on their planner. Going by car you will get 5 days in El Paso.

It probably has something to do with union schedules, you know when steam locomotives were replaced with diesel locomotives the rules required a fireman or stoker aboard the engine at all times, even in switching yards.

Average train speeds had doubled from 1919 to 1959, but unions resisted efforts to modify their existing 100- to 150-mile work days. As a result, railroad workers' average work days were roughly cut in half, from 5–7½ hours in 1919 to 2½–3¾ hours in 1959. This is no way to run a railroad and it just gets worse when the government gets involved.

There is not sense in supporting a railroad with government funds when people don't use it. Take government out of the equation and only the efficient lines will remain. It might be nostalgic to take a trip out west on a train but the peoples money should not be spent on nostalgia. I wonder what my trip would cost on the train if the government did not subsidize Amtrak and how the people paying the taxes to get the train prices down feel about it?

“your life is great”

Since: Aug 09

you poop in clean water

#15 Nov 27, 2012
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
Right. A normal waste of money. If there were any future in railways, private industry would have jumped on it years ago.
wow.
didn't you watch that miniseries "the men that built America"?
.
you probably should, I think your comment is covered in parts 2 & 3.
.
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sadly, it was avarice that prevented the expansion in the first place.
and your attitude perpetuates the issue.
xxxrayted

Brook Park, OH

#16 Nov 27, 2012
anneutral wrote:
<quoted text>
wow.
didn't you watch that miniseries "the men that built America"?
.
you probably should, I think your comment is covered in parts 2 & 3.
.
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sadly, it was avarice that prevented the expansion in the first place.
and your attitude perpetuates the issue.
Ah yes, welcome boys and girls. It's conspiracy time!

"A chicken in every pot and a car in every driveway."
Herbert Hoover

Now what do you suppose that milestone meant? What it meant is that individuals should not be pressured or forced into vehicles like sardines in a can to commute. A car in every driveway is liberty. A car in every driveway means you can go where you want when you want; not standing at a bus stop or train station to shop for a gallon of milk.

Nobody stops a company from making money unless it's government. When government needs to fund something that they "say" the people really want, but don't know it, look for another failed project like Solyndra.

“your life is great”

Since: Aug 09

you poop in clean water

#17 Nov 28, 2012
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
Ah yes, welcome boys and girls. It's conspiracy time!
"A chicken in every pot and a car in every driveway."
Herbert Hoover
Now what do you suppose that milestone meant? What it meant is that individuals should not be pressured or forced into vehicles like sardines in a can to commute. A car in every driveway is liberty. A car in every driveway means you can go where you want when you want; not standing at a bus stop or train station to shop for a gallon of milk.
Nobody stops a company from making money unless it's government. When government needs to fund something that they "say" the people really want, but don't know it, look for another failed project like Solyndra.
it was the greed of one man that bankrupted another man.
(very interesting stuff if you're interested in factual history)

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