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Bobby Jindal: I'm fine with teaching creationism in public schools

There are 247 comments on the Salon story from Apr 16, 2013, titled Bobby Jindal: I'm fine with teaching creationism in public schools. In it, Salon reports that:

Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal says that he wouldn't mind if public school students were taught creationism and intelligent design in addition to evolution, as long as it's "the best science." In an interview on NBC, Jindal, a Republican, said: "Bottom line, at the end of the day, we want our kids to be exposed to the best facts.

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“I can never convince the ”

Since: Jan 11

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#164 May 12, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>I listened to the program cited by the article and he said nothing of the sort. He said the opposite, if local school boards want creationism, then he see's nothing wrong with that.
Where do you get the idea he's advocating either federal control of curriculums or creationism?
I can't reconcile your apparent conservative beliefs with your disdain for the Consitution.

“I can never convince the ”

Since: Jan 11

stupid that they are stupid.

#165 May 12, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>That's a partial quote that distorts what he said. Can you quote the entire sentence?
This attempt to misdirect still doesn't address the dichotomy of your statements. Can you elaborate on the absurdity of your position.

“I can never convince the ”

Since: Jan 11

stupid that they are stupid.

#166 May 12, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>Brian G doesn't 'do' facts and reason. he goes by what he feels to be the truth.
Yes, I have come to that conclusion as well.

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#167 May 13, 2013
You still haven't provided a quote that shows Jindal advocates creationism; he doesn't. He believes teaching all points of view will let students exercise critical thinking to find the best science.

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#168 May 13, 2013
DanFromSmithville wrote:
I can't reconcile your apparent conservative beliefs with your disdain for the Consitution.
I respect and uphold the Constitution; where do you get the idea I hold our founding documents in contempt? We have the right to practice our religious beliefs or not, as we see fit. You have no right to limit our faith.

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DanFromSmithville wrote:
This attempt to misdirect still doesn't address the dichotomy of your statements. Can you elaborate on the absurdity of your position.
I agree, the quote was a incomplete so it misstates Jindal's position on creationism. He's never advocated teaching or prohibiting the teaching of creationism.

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#169 May 13, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
You still haven't provided a quote that shows Jindal advocates creationism; he doesn't. He believes teaching all points of view will let students exercise critical thinking to find the best science.
There is only one view that is legal currently.

ID and creationism have been shown in court to be religion and not science. The constitution has been very clearly interpreted to make teaching religion illegal in public schools.

Of course creationists have only themselves to blame for this. If they wanted creationism to be considered there is a way to attempt to do it. They won't because they the few hypocritical scientists involved know that they are wrong.

“Pissing people off since 1949”

Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#170 May 13, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
You still haven't provided a quote that shows Jindal advocates creationism; he doesn't. He believes teaching all points of view will let students exercise critical thinking to find the best science.
Which is no less a stupid position.

“Pissing people off since 1949”

Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#171 May 13, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>I respect and uphold the Constitution; where do you get the idea I hold our founding documents in contempt? We have the right to practice our religious beliefs or not, as we see fit. You have no right to limit our faith.
No one is limiting your faith. You have the absolute right to practice it no matter what flavor it is. However, the government - and public schools are funded and operated by the government - has no business in promoting any religion. Period.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#172 May 13, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
You still haven't provided a quote that shows Jindal advocates creationism; he doesn't. He believes teaching all points of view will let students exercise critical thinking to find the best science.
I provided the direct quote from the article, which shows that Jindal is perfectly fine with public schools blatantly violating the Constitution by teaching anti-science along side science, which is the BEST way to ruin any chances of students being able to learn critical thinking by presenting complete BS as equally valid. Most kids wouldn't know why the SLoT isn't a problem for evolution like the fundies say it is but it sure sounds convincing enough to the layman. However the fact is that creationism, which Bobster said he has NO problem with, has a LONG legal history going back DECADES which points to it being illegal in public schools, period. So any time Jindal allows it to happen he's opening up potential lawsuits with million-dollar fees which will NOT help public education in any way. But Bobby's okay because "Uh well hey, some kids believe in it!"

Keep lying for the Right, Bri.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#173 May 13, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>I respect and uphold the Constitution; where do you get the idea I hold our founding documents in contempt? We have the right to practice our religious beliefs or not, as we see fit. You have no right to limit our faith.
Actually he does. Not on the Government's time, not on the Government's dime. Period. You can pray whenever you're not being paid by somebody else to do work during work time.
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>I agree, the quote was a incomplete so it misstates Jindal's position on creationism. He's never advocated teaching or prohibiting the teaching of creationism.
If he says he's fine with teaching creationism then he's advocating the teaching of creationism. Oh, then there is that utterly superfluous and unConstitutional law he brought in which allows for fundie apologetics by stating "Driving lessons MUST have wheels and water sports MUST have water!"

Science MUST have critical thinking. Well duh. That's already included in the definition. It ALSO includes the EXCLUSION of anti-science like creationism. Period.

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#174 May 13, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
You still haven't provided a quote that shows Jindal advocates creationism; he doesn't. He believes teaching all points of view will let students exercise critical thinking to find the best science.


first off many people have points of view that are not scientific. secondly this issue was brought up in court in Pennsylvania with the kitzmiller vs. dover intelligent design trial.the defense could not bring one shred of scientific evidence to prove id/creationism is science. not one piece of evidence at all.

the judges ruling was direct and to the point that id/creationism does not belong in school because it is a religious doctrine. go look it up if you can figure out how to work google...

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#175 May 13, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>I respect and uphold the Constitution; where do you get the idea I hold our founding documents in contempt? We have the right to practice our religious beliefs or not, as we see fit. You have no right to limit our faith.
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<quoted text>I agree, the quote was a incomplete so it misstates Jindal's position on creationism. He's never advocated teaching or prohibiting the teaching of creationism.
you do realize that not everyone that goes to public schools share your particular religious faith? why do you religious nuts always claim someone is trying to take away their tight to religion while you actively try to push yours on everyone else?

please stop posting since with every post you make yourself look more foolish...

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#176 May 13, 2013
MikeF wrote:
Which is no less a stupid position.
Except saying Governor Jindal advocates teaching creationism in public school is untrue. I understand your opinion, children can't be trusted to learn about creationism. I disagree.

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#177 May 13, 2013
The Dude wrote:
I provided the direct quote from the article,
No, T.D. misquoted the article when he wrote:'Bobby Jindal says "I'm fine with teaching creationism in public schools"' The direct and complete quote from the article reads: " “Bottom line, at the end of the day, we want our kids to be exposed to the best facts. Let’s teach them about the big bang theory, let’s teach them about evolution – I’ve got no problem if a school board, a local school board, says we want to teach our kids about creationism, that people, some people, have these beliefs as well, let’s teach them about ‘intelligent design.’” If you listen to the interview you learn he was answering a direct question "Should creationism be taught in school?" Here's the URL of NBC's interview:
http://www.nbcnews.com/video/nbc-news/5152258...

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The Dude wrote:
which shows
If you misquote, you obscure truth.

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The Dude wrote:
that Jindal is perfectly fine with public schools blatantly violating the Constitution by teaching anti-science along side science, which is the BEST way to ruin any chances of students being able to learn critical thinking by presenting complete BS as equally valid. Most kids wouldn't know why the SLoT isn't a problem for evolution like the fundies say it is but it sure sounds convincing enough to the layman. However the fact is that creationism, which Bobster said he has NO problem with, has a LONG legal history going back DECADES which points to it being illegal in public schools, period. So any time Jindal allows it to happen he's opening up potential lawsuits with million-dollar fees which will NOT help public education in any way. But Bobby's okay because "Uh well hey, some kids believe in it!"
Keep lying for the Right, Bri.
That's your story, you have your opinion and I have mine. The main issue isn't creationism, the issue is truth; this is where we differ.

“Pissing people off since 1949”

Since: Apr 08

Indianapolis, IN

#178 May 13, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Except saying Governor Jindal advocates teaching creationism in public school is untrue. I understand your opinion, children can't be trusted to learn about creationism. I disagree.
When a governor of a state says he has no problem with teaching creationism, he *IS* advocating it.

I'm sure you don't understand my opinion. I haven't said anything about trusting children. So tell me, why the necessity to lie?

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#179 May 13, 2013
MikeF wrote:
When a governor of a state says he has no problem with teaching creationism, he *IS* advocating it.
I'm sure you don't understand my opinion. I haven't said anything about trusting children. So tell me, why the necessity to lie?
No, there's a difference between finding no problem with something and advocating.

If MikeF thinks there's noting wrong with teaching children about creationism and trusting them to use critical thinking skills (which Governor Jindal spoke for in the video), I'll apologize for the mistake. I'm under the impression, Mike doesn't want children taught about creationism in school.

Also note, the Governor wasn't just talking about public school.

“I can never convince the ”

Since: Jan 11

stupid that they are stupid.

#180 May 13, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>I respect and uphold the Constitution; where do you get the idea I hold our founding documents in contempt? We have the right to practice our religious beliefs or not, as we see fit. You have no right to limit our faith.
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<quoted text>I agree, the quote was a incomplete so it misstates Jindal's position on creationism. He's never advocated teaching or prohibiting the teaching of creationism.
You support Bobby Jindal and he is advocating state sponsored practice in religion. That is unconstitutional. By logical inferrence you are against the constitution. If this is not so, then my inferrence is based on poor data and thus likely to be incorrect. Since you claim otherwise, I must consider it to be the latter until more evidence is found.

I have never limited anyone's exercise of their constitutional rights. If you know different it would behoove you to produce that evidence or retract your statement.
Yeah

Honolulu, HI

#181 May 13, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>No, there's a difference between finding no problem with something and advocating.
If MikeF thinks there's noting wrong with teaching children about creationism and trusting them to use critical thinking skills (which Governor Jindal spoke for in the video), I'll apologize for the mistake. I'm under the impression, Mike doesn't want children taught about creationism in school.
Also note, the Governor wasn't just talking about public school.
Which creationist version are you referring to?

“I can never convince the ”

Since: Jan 11

stupid that they are stupid.

#182 May 13, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>No, T.D. misquoted the article when he wrote:'Bobby Jindal says "I'm fine with teaching creationism in public schools"' The direct and complete quote from the article reads: " “Bottom line, at the end of the day, we want our kids to be exposed to the best facts. Let’s teach them about the big bang theory, let’s teach them about evolution – I’ve got no problem if a school board, a local school board, says we want to teach our kids about creationism, that people, some people, have these beliefs as well, let’s teach them about ‘intelligent design.’” If you listen to the interview you learn he was answering a direct question "Should creationism be taught in school?" Here's the URL of NBC's interview:
http://www.nbcnews.com/video/nbc-news/5152258...
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<quoted text>If you misquote, you obscure truth.
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<quoted text>That's your story, you have your opinion and I have mine. The main issue isn't creationism, the issue is truth; this is where we differ.
So basically he is supporting the comingling of Church and State. Exactly what is prohibited by the Constitution. Supporting Jindal's position, is support against the Constitution. If people want to home school their children or send them to a private school that teaches creationism as an alternative to science, that is their business and their problem.

“I can never convince the ”

Since: Jan 11

stupid that they are stupid.

#183 May 13, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>No, there's a difference between finding no problem with something and advocating.
If MikeF thinks there's noting wrong with teaching children about creationism and trusting them to use critical thinking skills (which Governor Jindal spoke for in the video), I'll apologize for the mistake. I'm under the impression, Mike doesn't want children taught about creationism in school.
Also note, the Governor wasn't just talking about public school.
In the context of the quote you provided there is no difference. He is accepting the practice of using public funds to support a particular religion. This is rocket we are talking about. It is very clear on the face of it.

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