Is Ohio next on right-to-work battlefront?

Dec 12, 2012 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: WKYC-TV

As neighboring Michigan became the 24th state Tuesday to enact laws that prohibit agreements requiring workers to join a union or pay dues, Ohio groups that support the laws say the Buckeye State has to follow suit or watch jobs leave.

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UdintBuildThat wrote:
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Georgia is getting Caterpillar, Baxter, Porsche, and we already got KIA......
What's Ohio getting? Big fat nothin.....
I know all about Ohio and what you are saying about the Culture of Ohio and gone for the worst.

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#103
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South Carolina is new tire capital of the world too. They have brand new manufacturing plants for Michelin, Continental and Bridgestone. Besides BMWs being produced as fast as they possibly can in Spartanburg.
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Ohhh and the other end of the state got Boeing which meant 10,000 new jobs for Charleston.
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Can Ohio even keep the Neil Armstrong space museum open?

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#104
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Didn't akron used to be the tire capital of the world? I bet kids growing up there have never even heard those words uttered nowadays in regard to their own town
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GAWD what a complete wasteland unions have laid Ohio to.

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UdintBuildThat wrote:
Didn't akron used to be the tire capital of the world? I bet kids growing up there have never even heard those words uttered nowadays in regard to their own town
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GAWD what a complete wasteland unions have laid Ohio to.
yeap Akron was.
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#106
Feb 4, 2013
 
Unions hurt productivity and have sent countless jobs overseas and they work out of the Obama White House.

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#107
Feb 4, 2013
 
Unions have not sent jobs overseas, what we purchase ourselves, cheap Walmart junk for example is what sends jobs overseas. Stop purchasing foreign junk and the jobs will come back to America. Get the illegal immigrants out of the country that will help allot to. Make the words made in America mean something, jobs and our security as individuals an as a nation is tied up in it.
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deray wrote:
Unions have not sent jobs overseas, what we purchase ourselves, cheap Walmart junk for example is what sends jobs overseas. Stop purchasing foreign junk and the jobs will come back to America. Get the illegal immigrants out of the country that will help allot to. Make the words made in America mean something, jobs and our security as individuals an as a nation is tied up in it.
Sorry, but the unions and their exhorbitant demands drove jobs out of the country so products could be made where wages were competitive. Prime example?
Automobiles. Auto manufacturing jobs did not get sent overseas because Walmart sells goods cheaply.
Manufacturing jobs will not return to this country so long as the unions exist.

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Sorry, but the unions and their exhorbitant demands drove jobs out of the country so products could be made where wages were competitive. Prime example?
Automobiles. Auto manufacturing jobs did not get sent overseas because Walmart sells goods cheaply.
Manufacturing jobs will not return to this country so long as the unions exist.
your right and why GM & Chrysler were in bankruptcy because of years of exhorbitant demands from the UAW as an example.

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Jobs will not return to this country until people stop buying products produced by slaves, it is as simple as that.

Greed drove jobs out of this country, from both ends, stockholders demanding higher and higher profits an the people on the street demanding cheaper an cheaper prices.

This is what is destroying jobs, especially in manufacturing it is in a competing vise of greed from both ends of the spectrum. It comes down that no one wants to wait, or pay a just price for the products they use, they want and want more right now. I have been told by a company that if a manufacturer can not make a clear profit of 80 percent or more in the USA they will have to close their doors, that is just plain ridiculous.

The national debt is proof of this lower tax base of working people, lower wages paid to working people, lower taxes paid by those people, lower spending because they can not afford to and it spirals on and on out of control.

Funny thing about it, the working man has his hands on the reins, all they have to do is stop buying foreign made goods, products and their services an it will correct itself in a short period of time. That an change policy towards non-contributing persons like illegal immigrants who are sapping the blood out of the different systems that Americans pay into.

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deray wrote:
Jobs will not return to this country until people stop buying products produced by slaves, it is as simple as that.
Greed drove jobs out of this country, from both ends, stockholders demanding higher and higher profits an the people on the street demanding cheaper an cheaper prices.
This is what is destroying jobs, especially in manufacturing it is in a competing vise of greed from both ends of the spectrum. It comes down that no one wants to wait, or pay a just price for the products they use, they want and want more right now. I have been told by a company that if a manufacturer can not make a clear profit of 80 percent or more in the USA they will have to close their doors, that is just plain ridiculous.
The national debt is proof of this lower tax base of working people, lower wages paid to working people, lower taxes paid by those people, lower spending because they can not afford to and it spirals on and on out of control.
Funny thing about it, the working man has his hands on the reins, all they have to do is stop buying foreign made goods, products and their services an it will correct itself in a short period of time. That an change policy towards non-contributing persons like illegal immigrants who are sapping the blood out of the different systems that Americans pay into.
Nixion help with assisting the offshoring of US jobs with OPIC(Overseas Private Investment Corporation) which didnt work as it was intented.

Overseas Private Investment Corporation

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overseas_Private...

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deray wrote:
Unions have not sent jobs overseas, what we purchase ourselves, cheap Walmart junk for example is what sends jobs overseas. Stop purchasing foreign junk and the jobs will come back to America. Get the illegal immigrants out of the country that will help allot to. Make the words made in America mean something, jobs and our security as individuals an as a nation is tied up in it.
Caterpillar left Japan and is moving to Athens Georgia. Why do ya suppose they didn't move to Ohio or any other NON RTW state?

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Caterpillar left Japan and is moving to Athens Georgia. Why do ya suppose they didn't move to Ohio or any other NON RTW state?
Don't have to suppose or guess, greed plain and simple, they don't want to pay the proper wages or benefits, they have very little respect for the people they employee in that way. If they did treat their employees properly the Unions would not be needed.

Every state who have the RTW laws has no support what so ever for the working man, they are at risk like any other slave 24 hours a day 7 days a week because they have no representation for themselves or any help from the states they live in.

I have seen it for years with my own eyes. The only way in those states to correct abuse of an individual employee is the court system, a very expensive proposition at best. Employers know they have the employee (excuse the expression) by the balls.

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People that work there will receiving wages for what the market will bear. It also will be predicated on their physical and mental skill set. Other factors will be what is required of the laborer.

The premise that they aren't respected is just some idiotic talking point. If people didn't want to work there they wouldn't show up to apply for a job in the first place.

What don't you understand about this deal that Caterpillar is in business to make money? They aren't three to make laborers RICH....

If a laborer wishes to save up pay checks to start his own business then he is free to do so. Then he can GET RICH! If that's what you want to do, then do it.

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#115
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Folks like you will be why Ohio keeps on sucking the hind tit and never get any jobs. The SEC eats Ohios lunch in football and now they will be eating Ohio lunch in economics as well.
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So..... Keep up the same thick ankle mentality.... Because its working out SOOO well for ya.

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People that work there will receiving wages for what the market will bear. It also will be predicated on their physical and mental skill set. Other factors will be what is required of the laborer.
Market in this case is the employees, what the market will bear is the lowest hourly wage or salary that can be done legally. To the point corporations will take away anything that will make the bottom line look better for stock holders. That is were the greed comes in the higher ups will suck away every penny they can from everywhere they can but the salaries they are paid, those will go up over time every year.

What will happen to the employee? His wage will be based on what they think can be gotten by with, as low as possible, if the employee gets a raise in any year a way will be found to take away the same amount in benefits in one form or the other so the employee gains nothing, he will have a job but be standing still as far as wages. and benefits are concerned.

I have noticed that in five years they will strip away almost all benefits for full time employees, they will give a small raise during that time of about two dollars. Any employee appreciation picnics, bonuses, extra days vacation for being a good employee and showing their appreciation will be long gone after five years or so.

Many of the older people or any with health problems who worked at the start of the five year period will be gone, they will hire mostly youth. Many of these companies will depend on one third to one half of the employees coming from a temp agency or even illegal immigrants, people they give no rights or have any obligation to, since they actually work for someone else. you will see temp agencies sprout up all over the place almost over night.

That's the kind of thing your entering into if you make Ohio a RTW state. Don't listen to some woman who evidently works in HR they say or do will anything to keep a Union out. Don't let them lie to you think about what will happen if you have a BTW state.

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Let's look at it a little closer. Most factory workers in RTW states make on average about eight dollars an hour starting out in a full time job, they have very basic insurance mostly health that pays very little PPO and HMO mostly for the individual, some my have free once every three year eye and once a year dental exams, if you have any work done they pay very little for that and only up to a small amount every few years.

If you have a family and want insurance and the company even has insurance for families you will pay out the yang yang to get it for your family. You may be able to make it if both parents work and have their own insurance. Many have insurance for their children through the school system here, but it only usually covers the children during school hours and sports, school trips and such (accidents). You could probably get low income insurance for children through the RTW state if you can qualify.

After they have been in a position for five years they may make twelve dollars a hour for most jobs. Some hazardous jobs or extremely uncomfortable jobs seventeen to twenty maybe per hour. But remember during those five years they will be taking away benefits so you will not really gain anything that is what it is like to work in a RTW state.

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#118
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And thats why Ohio will continue to wallow near last place in job growth and continue to lose electoral votes.

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The best thing for everyone is to push for federal laws that will put minimums on how low companies and corporations can go one wages and benefits for everyone. Bare minimum must be above poverty level $10.00 per hour is the edge of the poverty level here in the US and it must be adjusted up according to inflation. They say that would be allot better than the $7.25 the federal government has been stuck on for years now.

As far as benefits, health insurance for the individual and family should be a given, dental and eyes for children in particular should be a given. How they decide to do this paid by the company to the insurance or to the government really make no difference as long as its done.

In my view the best arrangement would be a written contract between the employer and employee agreement set by federal government guidelines what the minimums would be under each job description and what the rewards would be for doing the job according to the contract. The government already have job descriptions for every job that is done in the United States it would be a simple thing.

If either the employer or employee broke the contract, say employer not paying overtime than steep penalties should be applied paid to the employee and the government. If an employer breaks the law on hiring illegals than very steep penalties should be applied. A employee should not have to get an attorney programs should be in place by the government.

Employees should also have a proper penalty against them if they break a contract, addiction to drugs for instance, treatment could be provided according to some companies policies, but the cost must be born over time by the employee. Late for work than they should have to stay over and work on the next shift. Ever how it is spelled out in the contractual agreement. All these contractual agreements should be set by the government and the same for everyone in the job classifications. This would solve allot of problems for everyone involved.
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UdintBuildThat wrote:
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Caterpillar left Japan and is moving to Athens Georgia. Why do ya suppose they didn't move to Ohio or any other NON RTW state?
Since I & others do not know; Will Cat be union or non-union?
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Yes and if Ohio becomes a right to work state they will find that out. It would be interesting to make a list of the state laws, union rights they have now. Then if they decide to become a right to work state compare notes and see what they have lost in bargaining power as employees. I bet no representation in any form, lower wages, little insurance for them or their families would top the list. Slave labor with no say so on anything would be a big shock for many.
I would think that all RTW states are not quite the same. State regs could draw parameters for such a law making them somewhat different.
Other issues that I haven't seen mentioned here about these large companies moving around are, but not limited to: education levels, government tax incentives, property values, rail, highways, sea ports & airports & insurance costs. It is NOT as simple as being RTW or not RTW.
These companies have high paid reps to negotiate & weigh these issues.

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