The Shameful Mosque Controversy

The Shameful Mosque Controversy

There are 810 comments on the www.huffingtonpost.com story from Aug 13, 2010, titled The Shameful Mosque Controversy. In it, www.huffingtonpost.com reports that:

The United States is governed by a constitution whose First Amendment guarantees free exercise of religion. Governments at every level have understood that they must not obstruct the construction of religious facilities in their communities, even if those facilities are intended for (tiny, misunderstood, unpopular) religious minorities.

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JRobert

United States

#1 Aug 13, 2010
"America is a free country where you can build whatever you want — but not anywhere. That's why we have zoning laws. No liquor store near a school, no strip malls where they offend local sensibilities, and, if your house doesn't meet community architectural codes, you cannot build at all.

"These restrictions are for reasons of aesthetics. Others are for more profound reasons of common decency and respect for the sacred. No commercial tower over Gettysburg, no convent at Auschwitz — and no mosque at Ground Zero. Build it anywhere but there."

-Charles Krauthammer

http://troyrecord.com/articles/2010/08/13/opi...
sue

United States

#2 Aug 13, 2010
Just the fact that they want to build it there shows they want trouble. Did they actually think it would be welcomed? Muzzies are trying to stick it to us.

“It's a Brand New Day”

Since: Feb 06

New Rochelle

#3 Aug 13, 2010
JRobert wrote:
"America is a free country where you can build whatever you want — but not anywhere. That's why we have zoning laws. No liquor store near a school, no strip malls where they offend local sensibilities, and, if your house doesn't meet community architectural codes, you cannot build at all.
"These restrictions are for reasons of aesthetics. Others are for more profound reasons of common decency and respect for the sacred. No commercial tower over Gettysburg, no convent at Auschwitz — and no mosque at Ground Zero. Build it anywhere but there."
-Charles Krauthammer
http://troyrecord.com/articles/2010/08/13/opi...
Sorry Charlie,

I wasn't aware that religious predjudice was a valid zoning vector.

That said, the Mosque committee should think again about their location.

“Kiss Me You Fool!”

Since: Jan 08

Atlanta via Brooklyn NY

#4 Aug 13, 2010
sue wrote:
Just the fact that they want to build it there shows they want trouble. Did they actually think it would be welcomed? Muzzies are trying to stick it to us.
How's that liberation of Shia from Sunni the repubs demanded via Operation Iraqi Freedom?

Me thinks repubs have stuck it to us, but few will talk about the 5 Billion Dollar monthly cost we're stuck with paying for Shia Liberation from Sunni.
Tired of the BS

Saint Louis, MO

#5 Aug 13, 2010
Maybe those in higher office is trying to promote a new foriegn policy! Because it iseems if you are from another country you have more rights than those who have lived here allof their lives?

It also seems that anything where muslims, illeagals, or animals can live here and do as they please.

But if you are an American you are not going to get anything but Sorry Charlie! America use to be a free country but it is not any more one thing is for certain if they continue allowing everyone over here it will not be free anymore.Only foriegners rule now!
Bill R

Gig Harbor, WA

#6 Aug 13, 2010
OneRyder wrote:
<quoted text>
How's that liberation of Shia from Sunni the repubs demanded via Operation Iraqi Freedom?
Me thinks repubs have stuck it to us, but few will talk about the 5 Billion Dollar monthly cost we're stuck with paying for Shia Liberation from Sunni.
Your comments are irrelevant in this debate. They have nothing
to do with the debate.
JRobert

United States

#7 Aug 13, 2010
Mr_Bill wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry Charlie,
I wasn't aware that religious predjudice was a valid zoning vector.
That said, the Mosque committee should think again about their location.
Once again, "Mr. Bill" proves himself to be pretty much the most ignorant poster on Topix.

Where is Krauthammer's "religious predjudice" (sic), genius?
Bill R

Gig Harbor, WA

#8 Aug 13, 2010
I'd be okay with the mosque if they agreed to
construct a permanent sign that, in so many or
even fewer words, said:

On 9/11 an act of terrorism took place on this
site, perpetrated by several individuals who,
by claiming to be Muslims, not only brought death
and destruction, but damaged the reputation of
the faith we express here.

We erect this mosque with a message to those who
would twist our faith into a license to deal
death to innocent people: The healing of the
wounds begins here. We renounce violence and
terrorism without reservation.
Bill R

Gig Harbor, WA

#9 Aug 13, 2010
Before someone responds with a "what about the
Christians" rant, let me first ask a question.

Would any Muslim nation allow a Christian church
to be built at a site we might think as the
equivalent of 9/11 in New York?

I don't think it would happen.

But if it did, I would support the same in Iraq
or Iran or wherever as I have suggested above.
Clean Cut Kid

Seattle, WA

#10 Aug 13, 2010
The muslims had nothing to do with 911. It was a false flag attack, to make money selling weapons/
Don't be fooled. The muslims make the perfect scapegoat. I do not agree with the building of any mosque, but lets get real about 911.

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White Plains, NY

#11 Aug 13, 2010
Tired of the BS wrote:
Maybe those in higher office is trying to promote a new foriegn policy! Because it iseems if you are from another country you have more rights than those who have lived here allof their lives?
It also seems that anything where muslims, illeagals, or animals can live here and do as they please.
But if you are an American you are not going to get anything but Sorry Charlie! America use to be a free country but it is not any more one thing is for certain if they continue allowing everyone over here it will not be free anymore.Only foriegners rule now!
You have that right. But TRY to put a CHRISTMAS tree up and all hell breaks out. I am doing all I can to turn this country into C/r/a/p. I have to admit....SO FAR, I SUCK!!!!

“READ. FACT CHECK. VOTE.”

Since: Nov 09

Fayetteville, AR

#12 Aug 13, 2010
sue wrote:
Just the fact that they want to build it there shows they want trouble. Did they actually think it would be welcomed? Muzzies are trying to stick it to us.
It isn't "at ground zero" but two blocks away. There is another Mosque about three blocks away that has been there since before the towers. People are making a great deal out of this to stir up fear and hate. Don't be manipulated.

“READ. FACT CHECK. VOTE.”

Since: Nov 09

Fayetteville, AR

#13 Aug 13, 2010
Bill R wrote:
I'd be okay with the mosque if they agreed to
construct a permanent sign that, in so many or
even fewer words, said:
On 9/11 an act of terrorism took place on this
site, perpetrated by several individuals who,
by claiming to be Muslims, not only brought death
and destruction, but damaged the reputation of
the faith we express here.
We erect this mosque with a message to those who
would twist our faith into a license to deal
death to innocent people: The healing of the
wounds begins here. We renounce violence and
terrorism without reservation.
The proposed Mosque/cultural center is going to be two blocks from ground zero, not at the actual site. But even so I think your message would be a very good one for them to post. You should email and suggest it.
Freedom works both ways

Stony Point, NY

#14 Aug 13, 2010
Keri22421 wrote:
<quoted text>
It isn't "at ground zero" but two blocks away. There is another Mosque about three blocks away that has been there since before the towers. People are making a great deal out of this to stir up fear and hate. Don't be manipulated.
So why can't they pray at that other mosque? Is that mosque so overcrowded, they have to build a 13-story "complex" housing a bookstore, auditorium, basketball court, a 500-seat performing arts center, a cooking school, swimming pool, restaurant and other amenities?

Would we allow the Japanese to build such a complex near the USS Arizona?
Seeking truth

Dearborn, MI

#15 Aug 13, 2010
JRobert wrote:
"America is a free country where you can build whatever you want — but not anywhere. That's why we have zoning laws. No liquor store near a school, no strip malls where they offend local sensibilities, and, if your house doesn't meet community architectural codes, you cannot build at all.
"These restrictions are for reasons of aesthetics. Others are for more profound reasons of common decency and respect for the sacred. No commercial tower over Gettysburg, no convent at Auschwitz — and no mosque at Ground Zero. Build it anywhere but there."
-Charles Krauthammer
http://troyrecord.com/articles/2010/08/13/opi...
I see your concern. The people protesting Planned Parenthood clinics will be short staffed because they'll have to protest the new mosque.
Bill R

Gig Harbor, WA

#17 Aug 13, 2010
Keri22421 wrote:
<quoted text>
The proposed Mosque/cultural center is going to be two blocks from ground zero, not at the actual site. But even so I think your message would be a very good one for them to post. You should email and suggest it.
The expansive site of 9/11 includes the property on which
the mosque will be built.

Though I live in the Northwest I have 2 relatives who were
working within 6 blocks of the Twin Towers when the
terrorists struck. Everyone near where the dust came to
rest was affected by the act, physically and psychologically.

Thanks for your suggestion.
Bill R

Gig Harbor, WA

#18 Aug 13, 2010
Freedom works both ways wrote:
<quoted text>
So why can't they pray at that other mosque? Is that mosque so overcrowded, they have to build a 13-story "complex" housing a bookstore, auditorium, basketball court, a 500-seat performing arts center, a cooking school, swimming pool, restaurant and other amenities?
Would we allow the Japanese to build such a complex near the USS Arizona?
To answer your last question first, yes. But the comparison
doesn't work given the number of years that have passed since
12/7.

A more interesting question is to ask how all those things
inside that mosque are non-profit, non-taxable. Should a
non-profit bookstore be able to compete with a for-profit
bookstore one block away?

“READ. FACT CHECK. VOTE.”

Since: Nov 09

Fayetteville, AR

#19 Aug 13, 2010
Freedom works both ways wrote:
<quoted text>
So why can't they pray at that other mosque? Is that mosque so overcrowded, they have to build a 13-story "complex" housing a bookstore, auditorium, basketball court, a 500-seat performing arts center, a cooking school, swimming pool, restaurant and other amenities?
Would we allow the Japanese to build such a complex near the USS Arizona?
It's not so much a Mosque as a Cultural center that will have kind of a chapel from what I understand. I think we could use a little cultural understanding.
The Japanese and the Arizona are not a good comparison. The Japanese are not Americans. I doubt many would object to them building a Buddhist temple near Pearl but really it’s not the same thing. Islam is a religion not an ethnic background. It would be wrong to penalize Muslim Americans for a crime committed by Muslim extremists. We don't blame all Christians for something a crazy Christian does.(Remember Waco? or Oklahoma City?) We have freedom of Religion for a reason. I don't think any of us would have it any other way but we've got to be careful. We're still hurting from 9/11 and it's too easy to shake our fists at Muslims. But we need to remember, when we take their freedom, we weaken our own.
Freedom works both ways

Stony Point, NY

#20 Aug 13, 2010
Bill R wrote:
<quoted text>
To answer your last question first, yes. But the comparison
doesn't work given the number of years that have passed since
12/7.
A more interesting question is to ask how all those things
inside that mosque are non-profit, non-taxable. Should a
non-profit bookstore be able to compete with a for-profit
bookstore one block away?
No matter how much time has passed, the USS Arizona is still a memorial to those that died, as GZ will be.

How long has it been since Gettysburg? Yet a few years ago, there was an uproar over a proposed Casino that would have been over a mile away.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2006-04-1...

As for the "non-profit" status, that is one the of the key issues of what's going on. The developer wants to build a commercial site.. a mini-Mecca-mall. He then stuck a "prayer ROOM" in the plans so he can call the entire complex a "mosque" for the tax status AND because he knew the uproar it would cause. Its easier to claim religious freedom for a mosque than a mall.
sue

United States

#21 Aug 13, 2010
Keri22421 wrote:
<quoted text>
The proposed Mosque/cultural center is going to be two blocks from ground zero, not at the actual site. But even so I think your message would be a very good one for them to post. You should email and suggest it.
It became a cultural center after everyone protested about it. Do you know how far two blocks are? Not far.

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