Kaine, Biden Talk Gun Control at VCU ...

Kaine, Biden Talk Gun Control at VCU Roundtable

There are 46 comments on the NBC29 Charlottesville story from Jan 23, 2013, titled Kaine, Biden Talk Gun Control at VCU Roundtable. In it, NBC29 Charlottesville reports that:

One of Virginia's voices in Congress took part in a gun control roundtable Friday at Virginia Commonwealth University.

Join the discussion below, or Read more at NBC29 Charlottesville.

Steve Walker

Douglasville, GA

#22 Jan 26, 2013
Two of the most anti gun politicians in the US meet and are not identified as such, just the "common concerns about gun safety" banning the most popular rifle in the US is not common concerns about gun safety, it's a foot hold on banning anything they want. If you do something wrong and no one calls you on it, it must be okay and you can continue to do it, it is human nature. 157 models of firearms have been named in the current bill in the Senate.
Sarg

Charlottesville, VA

#23 Jan 26, 2013
Kaine's two cents plus Biden's two cents equals four cents. Sounds about right.
John Galt

Ruther Glen, VA

#24 Jan 26, 2013
Google it, socialist moron. I am sure your communist teachers never let you read Ayn Rand. Why don't we just amend the NCLB Act to include not leaving behind sociopaths, psychopaths and the timid? We can offer them all a better direction as easily as we can provide them a better understand of math. Maybe even start talking about how great the Constitution actually is. What a concept!
Dude

Spotsylvania, VA

#25 Jan 26, 2013
John Galt wrote:
Google it, socialist moron. I am sure your communist teachers never let you read Ayn Rand. Why don't we just amend the NCLB Act to include not leaving behind sociopaths, psychopaths and the timid? We can offer them all a better direction as easily as we can provide them a better understand of math. Maybe even start talking about how great the Constitution actually is. What a concept!
Who are you replying to?
John Galt

Ruther Glen, VA

#26 Jan 26, 2013
Dude wrote:
<quoted text>Who are you replying to?
You. Where did you get "Jon"? That spelling wasn't around when Atlas Shrugged was written. What you are pandering on this forum is typical prattle of the uninformed.
Dude

Spotsylvania, VA

#27 Jan 26, 2013
John Galt wrote:
<quoted text>
You. Where did you get "Jon"? That spelling wasn't around when Atlas Shrugged was written. What you are pandering on this forum is typical prattle of the uninformed.
You're right, it is John, I stand corrected. Let me ask you something, do you use roads?
Dude

Spotsylvania, VA

#28 Jan 26, 2013
John Galt wrote:
<quoted text>
You. Where did you get "Jon"? That spelling wasn't around when Atlas Shrugged was written. What you are pandering on this forum is typical prattle of the uninformed.
Oh and btw, it was a defacto union, which is a collective. Think about it. I read Atlas Shrugged in Jr. High after listening to Rush's anthem, and thought it was great. Then I grew up and realized what a piece of literary and philisophical trash that it is. There is nothing ethical about ethical egoism. Even Neil Peart grew up and denounced her. It's a great philosophy for self absorbed pre-teens, though.

http://www.salon.com/2011/04/05/my_father_the...
WTH

Waynesboro, VA

#29 Jan 26, 2013
The Second Amendment is not a guideline---it is an ABSOLUTE imperative.

There is, and will always be----by its very nature---danger in a free country

Deranged, wacko people will always be among us---unless we "gas" them like Hitler did.

According to FBI monitoring-statistics, the previous Feinstein "assault gun ban" resulted in no positive effects---it was just fuzzy-good political lunacy.

Smaller magazines will do no more than cause an inconvenience for an assassin. It takes no more than 2 seconds to reload. If schools are gun-free areas, then the assassin can take his time re-loading.

If teachers are allowed to have concealed-carry permission in schools, no teacher will be forced to have a gun; but those who do not want to be sitting-ducks will be there to take-out an assassin and thus reduce the extent of any tragedy. Also, the very-first target of an assassin will be a police officer, if one is resident in the school.

The Second Amendment---which had (has) essentially nothing to do with hunting or sports-shooting---was meant to insure that well-armed citizens are prepared to mobilize with assault weapons and ammo in case of an enemy attack (invasion) or in case the state or federal government becomes too overbearing (tyrannical); our founders, including Jefferson, made that clear. A secondary function of assault weapons was fully demonstrated in the Watts riots(civil calamity)---property owners defended their property with such rifles when the police were afraid to "belly up to the bar" or even come into the riot areas.

Note that Japan was fully aware during WWII that the citizen body of the USA was highly-armed and dangerous.

Virginia was the first state to enact a screening system---for screening-out felons and mental cases; I was on my state Senator's advisory board at the time; I reviewed the proposed senate bill for him.

I would not be against a rule that requires a person to buy guns only in the state of his/her residence. That state would do the screening, not the already-overbearing federal government. States could share their data bases to facilitate inter-state transactions. Only felony and mental-health records would be kept.

There is no panacea-type answer to the dilemma; we can only hope to minis the extent of tragedies. Trying to solve the problem by emotional approaches is just plain lunacy. The banning of guns because they might "look mean" is nonsense. Banning conventional guns is patently unconstitutional. Banning or restricting guns or ammunition by presidential fiat is purely unconstitutional.

We must respect the rule of law---our supreme law---our US Constitution.

Freedom and security will not always coincide. A quote from a founding father: "Those who give up freedom for security deserve neither." Also, Jefferson said that he would be in favor of banning all firearms in the world, if such an impossible-thing could somehow be possible.
YdueEye

Ferrum, VA

#30 Jan 26, 2013
So, if Kaine is presented with the right type of rope Kaine will bind the Second Amendment and prevent good people from accessing arms or amounts of ammunition. These bans are equivalent to cutting a humans tongue off. Why doesn't Kaine trim the length of each person's tongue limiting the tongue length to 10 centimeters, surely that is a "reasonable" restriction of speech but doesn't prevent the individual from exercising their Right to free speech?
Free speech isn’t about telling bedtime stories and the right to bear arms isn’t about target practice or hunting.
"In the End, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends." - Martin Luther King Jr.
wwtjdo

Charlottesville, VA

#31 Jan 26, 2013
Our government is a freaking joke..They couldn't care less about the citizens of America. All they want is the power to do what they want. As long as their are idots who vote for these fraudulent creatures we will reap the same moronic results. I spent many years as a prison guard & learned many things from speaking with the convicts. A large majority said they couldn't care less about the laws they broke, if they did they wouldn't be behind bars. As for the murderers,they used whatever was available at the time. Knife, gun, rope, hammer, vehicle, bare hands, etc. You want to stop the school shootings, arm a certain amount of teachers & tell no one who it is that has the training & gun in their possession. All gun control laws do is punish the law abiding citizen for the recklessness of a few deranged idiots.
sez you

Charlottesville, VA

#32 Jan 26, 2013
RT News had a good piece on last night about a guy demonstrating in DC. he was kicked out of Maryland until his trial. He's being represented by the Rutherford Inst.. Point is our 1st Amend rights have been trashed, another good example was the way the protesters last year were treated by men with guns and badges. Freedom of speech is no more. But the gun cowboys don't really care about that, just as long as they can salve their collective egos with a gun in their hand. Between the Patriot Act and FISA there are no rights left. So keep your dumb guns and remain oblivious to the rest. Morons
Dude

Spotsylvania, VA

#33 Jan 26, 2013
sez you wrote:
RT News had a good piece on last night about a guy demonstrating in DC. he was kicked out of Maryland until his trial. He's being represented by the Rutherford Inst.. Point is our 1st Amend rights have been trashed, another good example was the way the protesters last year were treated by men with guns and badges. Freedom of speech is no more. But the gun cowboys don't really care about that, just as long as they can salve their collective egos with a gun in their hand. Between the Patriot Act and FISA there are no rights left. So keep your dumb guns and remain oblivious to the rest. Morons
Actually, it's that kind of oppression the gun cowboys are talking about. It's almost comical. Somewhere Allan Pinkerton is laughing.
TEX

Charlottesville, VA

#34 Jan 26, 2013
I'm sure mr Kaine will do the same masterful job in the senate that he did in Virginia, by the way did anyone else see our fearless leader attracting flies on Drudge(brings the thought of some of the other things that attract flies to mind)
sez you

Charlottesville, VA

#35 Jan 26, 2013
Dude wrote:
<quoted text>Actually, it's that kind of oppression the gun cowboys are talking about. It's almost comical. Somewhere Allan Pinkerton is laughing.
Kinda like a guy bailing out a sinking rowboat with a leaking bucket.

Since: Apr 08

Location hidden

#37 Jan 26, 2013
sez you wrote:
<quoted text>Kinda like a guy bailing out a sinking rowboat with a leaking bucket.
Perhaps, but even that will keep you afloat longer than doing nothing.
right winger

United States

#38 Jan 26, 2013
Kaine is an Obama puppet, no more no less. he forgets his purpose is o represent the citizens of the Commonwealth or should I say Communistwealth?
serfs up

Melbourne, FL

#39 Jan 26, 2013
Dude wrote:
<quoted text>Execpt they will be repaid in productivity, and by paying the taxes receipts that the financial institutions will claim in write offs. I can easily see what people feel, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that the JBSers may have been prophetic in their assertation of media. As a whole, we're too easily mislead. The satirical thing is, Reagan got the debt ball rolling, and is considered the hero of the right, equally; Clinton sold our jobs and souls to the lowest bidder and is the hero of the left.
dude, whatever Reagan did that was wrong in your words, I know many people who were put on the bottom of the list for jobs because they were white males and quotas the norm starting in the early 1970's. It took them about a decade or so to get equal opportunities even if they were smarter and better. This is truth. They remember. And they are wary of what the social security system will look like in a decade or so also.
sez you

Charlottesville, VA

#40 Jan 26, 2013
Bama Yankee wrote:
<quoted text>
Perhaps, but even that will keep you afloat longer than doing nothing.
Thats the point, we do nothing about a corrupt congress, sure they say we make chabge at the polls, bull, and who do we end up with choices, more career politicians bought and paid for by corporations. Afghanistan is nothing more than a corporate sponsored war on the American taxpayer. Now drones? Other countries are raising cane about drones, so whos gonna end up being subjected to drones? us. And no one says boo, surely not the gun cowboys, they're content with having their guns.

Since: Apr 08

Location hidden

#41 Jan 26, 2013
sez you wrote:
<quoted text>Thats the point, we do nothing about a corrupt congress, sure they say we make chabge at the polls, bull, and who do we end up with choices, more career politicians bought and paid for by corporations. Afghanistan is nothing more than a corporate sponsored war on the American taxpayer. Now drones? Other countries are raising cane about drones, so whos gonna end up being subjected to drones? us. And no one says boo, surely not the gun cowboys, they're content with having their guns.
Speak for yourself.

I communicate my satisfaction, or dissatisfaction, to my elected officials on a regular basis.
Dude

Spotsylvania, VA

#42 Jan 26, 2013
serfs up wrote:
<quoted text> dude, whatever Reagan did that was wrong in your words, I know many people who were put on the bottom of the list for jobs because they were white males and quotas the norm starting in the early 1970's. It took them about a decade or so to get equal opportunities even if they were smarter and better. This is truth. They remember. And they are wary of what the social security system will look like in a decade or so also.
What specifically are you trying to argue? Reagan began the massive debt balloon.

http://www.skymachines.com/US-National-Debt-P...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons... (1940_to_2009).png

Do you want to discuss quotas? I was a victim of quotas but came to realize that there was a place and time for it. When our President was born, we were still under Jim Crow laws. Still, if you look at statistics, it doesn't get any better than being a white male in the USA. Today, the opportunities have become more equal than ever in history of this country, and it was because it was forced. I didn't like it, but I understand it.

Do you want to debate Social Security? Reagan passed the SSA of 1983. The 1983 Social Security amendments enacted hefty increases in the payroll tax in order to generate large future surpluses. As soon as the first surpluses began to role in, in 1985, the money was put into the general revenue fund and spent on other government programs. None of the surplus was saved or invested in anything. The surplus Social Security revenue, which was paid by working Americans, was used to replace the lost revenue from Reagans big income tax cuts that went primarily to the rich.

So you can fellate the guy all you want, but you should know how history will see him after we die. My econ prof hated him, and he was a classical economist.(free market/ Adam smith apologist). Every problem has a begining, and you can pin the one we're in right now on him (and Clinton.)

Tell me when this thread is updated:

Subscribe Now Add to my Tracker

Add your comments below

Characters left: 4000

Please note by submitting this form you acknowledge that you have read the Terms of Service and the comment you are posting is in compliance with such terms. Be polite. Inappropriate posts may be removed by the moderator. Send us your feedback.

Senator Tim Kaine Discussions

Title Updated Last By Comments
News 'SNL' Cold Open Focuses on Moore's Alleged Sexu... Nov 12 Putins Glock Holster 7
News Brazile stirs Democratic strife; party chief se... Nov 7 Hostis Publicus 1
News Brazile strains Dem unity ahead of key gov race... Nov 6 Ms Sassy 4
News How Biden came close to replacing Clinton Nov 6 Baptist ism by Proxy 1
News Brazile says she considered replacing Clinton w... Nov 5 nanoanomaly 7
News Republicans: 'Catholic bigotry' over Democrats ... Oct 31 mr gleeble 2
News Trump Nominee Won't Say Whether Foreign Laws Cr... Oct '17 Love is the Answer 12
More from around the web