Candidates should address Bush's 'secret laws'

On April 30, the Senate's subcommittee on the Constitution held a vitally important hearing on ''Secret Law and the Threat to Democratic and Accountable Government,'' chaired by Sen.

[OMG]

All you far-left loons LAY OFF THE TAINTED KOOL-AID ALREADY....get yourself a good shrink along with your spiked drink!

[Jim F Allentown]

Nat Hentoff is a reasoned, brilliant, fair person, not an automatic leftist nut by any means.

OMG is way off in his insults.

I may not alsays agree with Hentoff, but he looks at facts, and analyzes them very intelligently.

[scary]

OMG wrote:

All you far-left loons LAY OFF THE TAINTED KOOL-AID ALREADY....get yourself a good shrink along with your spiked drink!

Criticism of the Bush presidency goes beyond left and right. Bush has managed to preside over two terms that are just as if not more crooked than turn of the century Chicago politics!

Bush himself is not a real republican, just look at his unprecedented expansion of the federal gov't, and his attack on individual rights called the patriot act. These two things alone prove he is no republican! He is an Orwellian dictator trying to seize as much power for the executive branch as possible before he is voted out! Once history reveals all the inner workings of his reign the public will be outraged!

1-20-09

[Jim]

We will find that all the candidates are against the excesses of the executive branch while they are in the Senate. As soon as they become the president, they too, will find the necessity of "national security" overrides their oath to preserve the freedoms espoused in the Constitution.

[Amazing]

Why is it that there was not this outcry under the Clinton Administration when his Administration was using the ECHELON system against American citizens? Also, where was the outcry by Amnesty International and all the other human rights advocates when the Clinton Justice Dept killed Vicki Weaver with a sniper shot to the head while she was holding a baby in Idaho or when they used US military and military equipment to incinerate people in Waco Texas?

[Jim]

OMG wrote:

All you far-left loons LAY OFF THE TAINTED KOOL-AID ALREADY....get yourself a good shrink along with your spiked drink!

As a veteran with a son in the Army, I would not consider myself a victim of "Tainted Kool-aid."
In fact, if memory serves me, it is the ones who REFUSE TO CHALLENGE the unchecked and ever-expanding power of the leader who end up drinking the tainted kool-aid.
It is the people who challenge it with logic and reason (like the founders of our nation) who are the most lucid ones

[The Lib Terminator]

scary wrote:

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Criticism of the Bush presidency goes beyond left and right. Bush has managed to preside over two terms that are just as if not more crooked than turn of the century Chicago politics!
Bush himself is not a real republican, just look at his unprecedented expansion of the federal gov't, and his attack on individual rights called the patriot act. These two things alone prove he is no republican! He is an Orwellian dictator trying to seize as much power for the executive branch as possible before he is voted out! Once history reveals all the inner workings of his reign the public will be outraged!
1-20-09

Comrade,

I disagree with you and believe you are more motivated by disagreement over policy than anything The President has done "wrong" or "unlawfully" as you may put it.

Your use of the term "more Crooked" is nothing more than vitriol. You offer not evidence of anything. I suspect that your evidence will undoubtedly revert back to disagreements of policy.

While I do have disagreements with Bush over many serious issues, I do believe his "waywardness" as I would call it is his tendancies away from Republican ideals that have been successful in many past Republican administration and more toward the liberal views. That his downfall.

You cite the Patriot act as your evidence. Well that's fine and you could diagree with it. But I do believe it is necessary for the protection of our freedoms from terrorists both abroad and home that would use our communications systems for terrorist causes.

There is no evidence that the partriot act has infringed on anyone's freedoms unless you include "suspected" terrorists and terrorists.

Your being plainly political to exclude all the real atrocities of rights violations perpetrated by the Billary team. From travelgate to white water. There are so many ...gates associated with the Billary it would take volumes to deal with them all.

The Bush administration doesn't even come close.

Your spinning leftward, extremely, to say what you said.

For Cross & Gun.

Terminating liberals at will.

liberalismisasin.com

[Snowball]

The W Presidency has violated the constitution. It is beyond me how we can try to impeach a president for a moral failure [quite serious] and not even blink an eye at active treason!

[Disgusted]

The entire Bush administration should be in jail.

[Notorious Deuce Dropper]

Without a doubt, the president has overstepped his boundaries and authority by making decisions that must be approved by Congress first (ex:the Iraq war) - not to mention all of the additional commentary he has attached to bills signed into law. All of this is factual and neither left nor right opinion.

[Dem Exterminator]

Amazing wrote:

Why is it that there was not this outcry under the Clinton Administration when his Administration was using the ECHELON system against American citizens? Also, where was the outcry by Amnesty International and all the other human rights advocates when the Clinton Justice Dept killed Vicki Weaver with a sniper shot to the head while she was holding a baby in Idaho or when they used US military and military equipment to incinerate people in Waco Texas?

It's called the "double standard". Democrats use it all the time and we fools let them get away with it. Both Clintons belong in jail and there is MUCH MORE we will eventually learn about Obama.

[Dem Exterminator]

Notorious Deuce Dropper wrote:

Without a doubt, the president has overstepped his boundaries and authority by making decisions that must be approved by Congress first (ex:the Iraq war)- not to mention all of the additional commentary he has attached to bills signed into law. All of this is factual and neither left nor right opinion.

Watch this: http://www.bercasio.com/movies/dems-wmd-befor... and then tell me about Iraq

[Valley Pathfinder]

I have heard the Clintons expanded power a bit, but didn't follow politics back then at all. Unsure why the crimes were not followed up on after he left office, should unsolved crimes be left unpunished. Either way, I was just wondering if some who approve of the expanse of power (if any) by the Bush administration should wish all that to expire the moment a Democrat should take office. Warrentless tapping for example; any problem with defending this under President Bush, but don't think its quite right for Obama or Hillary?

[Gary]

Dem Exterminator wrote:

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Watch this: http://www.bercasio.com/movies/dems-wmd-befor... and then tell me about Iraq

These Democrats think that it's 1950 and there is no visual record of their positions. What a bunch of Idiots.

[Gary]

Valley Pathfinder wrote:

I have heard the Clintons expanded power a bit, but didn't follow politics back then at all. Unsure why the crimes were not followed up on after he left office, should unsolved crimes be left unpunished. Either way, I was just wondering if some who approve of the expanse of power (if any) by the Bush administration should wish all that to expire the moment a Democrat should take office. Warrentless tapping for example; any problem with defending this under President Bush, but don't think its quite right for Obama or Hillary?

These are NOT crimes. The laws allowing this were all passed by congress, tith Democrats voting for them.

[william]

Well, look what he did for union members traveling out of their jursidication or even their home local. They (the local union) has to do an ERTS so the republicians can know what monies are in the members accounts. It's not the federal gov't or scabs business where and what my monies go for. just only have to remember that Unions will and Always get done right the first and on/before time, and on or below budget.

[duh]

The Lib Terminator wrote:

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There is no evidence that the partriot act has infringed on anyone's freedoms unless you include "suspected" terrorists and terrorists.

No evidence? so i guess forcing public schools to share student info with military recruiters only hurts terrorists? and no-warrant wiretaps? i guess that they have ONLY been used on terrorists, and how about looking through peoples library records, guess thats just terrorists too! it is people like you that are dedicated to partisan politics that are causing the decay of this once great nation
1-20-09 the end of big brother!

[scary]

"Among its provisions, the Act increases the ability of law enforcement agencies to search telephone, e-mail communications, medical, financial and other records; eases restrictions on foreign intelligence gathering within the United States; expands the Secretary of the Treasury’s authority to regulate financial transactions, particularly those involving foreign individuals and entities; and enhances the discretion of law enforcement and immigration authorities in detaining and deporting immigrants suspected of terrorism-related acts. The act also expands the definition of terrorism to include domestic terrorism, thus enlarging the number of activities to which the USA Patriot Act’s expanded law enforcement powers can be applied."

If that doesn't scare you then what will? And to call it the PATRIOT ACT! the real founding fathers would roll over in their graves!

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. "

sounds unconstitutional to me! I hope this act goes to the supreme court soon! it is a disgrace!

[scary]

The Lib Terminator wrote:

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There is no evidence that the partriot act has infringed on anyone's freedoms unless you include "suspected" terrorists and terrorists.

SanFran Chronicle
Sept 7, 2007
"A federal judge struck down portions of the Patriot Act as unconstitutional on Thursday, ordering the FBI to stop issuing "national security letters" that secretly demand customer information from Internet service providers and other businesses.

U.S. District Judge Victor Marrero in New York ruled that the landmark anti-terrorism law violates the First Amendment and the Constitution's separation of powers provisions because it, in effect, prohibits recipients of the FBI letters from revealing their existence and does not provide adequate judicial oversight of the process.

Marrero wrote in his 106-page ruling that Patriot Act provisions related to the letters are "the legislative equivalent of breaking and entering, with an ominous free pass to the hijacking of constitutional values."

MSNBC Thursday Sept 27, 2007
"PORTLAND, Ore.- Two provisions of the USA Patriot Act are unconstitutional because they allow search warrants to be issued without a showing of probable cause, a federal judge ruled Wednesday.

U.S. District Judge Ann Aiken ruled that the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, as amended by the Patriot Act, "now permits the executive branch of government to conduct surveillance and searches of American citizens without satisfying the probable cause requirements of the Fourth Amendment."

Portland attorney Brandon Mayfield sought the ruling in a lawsuit against the federal government after he was mistakenly linked by the FBI to the Madrid train bombings that killed 191 people in 2004."

evidence enough?

[mustg94]

The little dictator should of been impeached long ago but the dems.have no guts.