Senate climate bill drops "cap and trade" term

Sep 30, 2009 Full story: Seattle Post-Intelligencer 25

Senate Democrats tried out a new catch phrase Wednesday to sell their global warming bill: pollution reduction and investment, or PRI.

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#1 Oct 1, 2009
Cap and Trade by any other name still stinks.

Nancy Pelosi flys from San Francisco to DC on a jet, in that process, the jet trip puts more CO2 in the atmosphere than most of us do in a year. So Nancy Pelosi purchases a carbon indulgence, aka carbon credit, from the Redwood National Forest.

The indulgence is to preserve the Redwood National Forest. The Redwood National Forest will not sequester anymore carbon than it did ten years ago just because Pelosi bought the indulgence.

Because Pelosi bought an indulgence, she is allowed to pollute the atmosphere with her jet trips.

The indulgence will not mitigate Pelosi's atmospheric pollution.

The pollution will still go into the atmosphere. The trees will absorb no more than they did before.

So how does a carbon indulgence save our planet from CO2 pollution?

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#2 Oct 1, 2009
More like cap and tax.
LessHypeMoreFact

Etobicoke, Canada

#3 Oct 1, 2009
Either way, it would be much better replaced by a 'carbon surchage' applied at the source that is then rebated to the consumer to offset the increase in 'price' by keeping the 'cost' about the same for average users.

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#4 Oct 1, 2009
Either way, the bill is DOA. Especially since the unions realize that it will cost them jobs.

Kook
ScamBuster

Spring, TX

#5 Oct 1, 2009
Global price tag of $46 trillion in 2100, to avoid expected climate damage costing just $1.1 trillion - Cap n Trade is a scam boon for scamsters at wall street (Read Govt/Golaman Sachs & their friends) make tons of money by putting the queeze on comman man "GLOBALY" this time .
LessHypeMoreFact

Etobicoke, Canada

#6 Oct 1, 2009
kookboy wrote:
Either way, the bill is DOA. Especially since the unions realize that it will cost them jobs.
Kook
I commend you on your vivid imagination. Have you ever considered writing your fictions in a book with a plot and some sort of logical thread?
Unbelievable

United States

#7 Oct 1, 2009
kookboy wrote:
More like cap and tax.
Actually it's more like crap & tax

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#8 Oct 1, 2009
LessHypeMoreFact wrote:
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I commend you on your vivid imagination. Have you ever considered writing your fictions in a book with a plot and some sort of logical thread?
The great thing is that you have no say as to whether it passes or not. Being an American voter I do get some input here although the representation in Congress from my great state will vote for it anyway the bill is DOA.

Kook
LessHypeMoreFact

Etobicoke, Canada

#9 Oct 1, 2009
kookboy wrote:
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The great thing is that you have no say as to whether it passes or not. Being an American voter I do get some input here although the representation in Congress from my great state will vote for it anyway the bill is DOA.
Kook
You are suffering from delusions if you think your senators gives a shit about YOU. The corporations and their lobbyists pay for his election campaign... YOU got nothing..

“End the War on Arizona”

Since: Jan 08

El Paso, TX

#10 Oct 1, 2009
This is all smoke and mirrors. Dems control both houses, therefore everything they feel forced to give up in open debate, they will reinsert in conference committee. And the final bill will combine the worst of both bills.

“Did U plug the damn hole yet?”

Since: Jan 08

Rowlett, TX

#11 Oct 1, 2009
A rose by any other name...

A massive tax on energy is a stupid idea no matter what the Dems choose to call it.

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#12 Oct 1, 2009
LessHypeMoreFact wrote:
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You are suffering from delusions if you think your senators gives a shit about YOU. The corporations and their lobbyists pay for his election campaign... YOU got nothing..
It does so upset our neighbors to the north that they have no say in what goes on here and it affects them so much. No I do not think that my Senators or anyone else in government gives a shit about me. I do not trust anyone in government of any party but they do care about their votes. The dems in congress will play the game with the climate bill but it will never pass because one of thier big constituencies (that would be the labor unions) have figured out that this bill is bad for them. It will go nowhere. Thankfully.

Kook

“Did U plug the damn hole yet?”

Since: Jan 08

Rowlett, TX

#13 Oct 1, 2009
kookboy wrote:
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It does so upset our neighbors to the north that they have no say in what goes on here and it affects them so much.
We could annex Canada - with their consent - and then they could vote in our elections.

“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

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#14 Oct 2, 2009
They don't care about truth, modern politics is salesmanship, not statesmanship.
Glasnos

Orlando, FL

#15 Oct 2, 2009
Let's see ... how about "Screw america and the american economy carbon emission tax bill?"
Too long?
Earthling

Huécija, Spain

#16 Oct 2, 2009
Mac-7 wrote:
We could annex Canada - with their consent - and then they could vote in our elections.
I think you might need the consent of Queen Liz as well.
LOL

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#17 Oct 2, 2009
Mac-7 wrote:
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We could annex Canada - with their consent - and then they could vote in our elections.
And why would we want to take on that mess?

Kook

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#18 Oct 2, 2009
Earthling wrote:
<quoted text>I think you might need the consent of Queen Liz as well.
LOL
That pisses them off to that they never really seperated from England.

Kook

“Did U plug the damn hole yet?”

Since: Jan 08

Rowlett, TX

#19 Oct 2, 2009
kookboy wrote:
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And why would we want to take on that mess?
Kook
I don't know that we would.

But then Canadians could stop complaining about not having influence over decisons that indirectly affect them.
LessHypeMoreFact

Etobicoke, Canada

#20 Oct 2, 2009
kookboy wrote:
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they have no say in what goes on here and it affects them so much. Kook
Nah. Its just that we understand the U.S. better than most. For example, you are probalby thinking that you live in a democracy (actually its a republic) and that you get to vote in honest elections (they are NOT binding on states and the state sends the electors of ITS choosing) I find it amusing that so few U.S. posters actually know that much about their own country. They get caught up in deliberate distortions and misinfromation and none of them will spend the time to learn anything but the current propaganda.

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