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Utah Senator Orrin Hatch to face challenger in Republican primary

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Tea Party Patriot

Memphis, TN

#1 Apr 21, 2012


Competition is good and Hatch has probably stayed too long. His voting record is more in line with party politics like most of the other senators. That's one of the problems.
Curtis Lowe

United States

#2 Apr 21, 2012
Got Tea? Now, where's Vera Baker?
Makes sense

Dearborn, MI

#3 Apr 22, 2012
Got Mormonism? Now, who's severely conservative?

This isn't your granddady's America anymore! Now he gets to have 5 grandmas for you. You starting to feel the love?

America would be so much better if we just had more grandmas in the world.
Makes sense

Dearborn, MI

#4 Apr 22, 2012
Face it, men just have big libidos. Gotta take care of them, if you want them to take care of you. Also, it makes them less prone to violence. Bush should have had more wives. Then he wouldn't have started so many wars. Same goes for Obama. I wonder who our First Ladies will be come November. I wonder how many live abroad, like the Cayman Islands, and all those unAmerican countries that are tax havens.
Curtis Lowe

United States

#5 Apr 22, 2012
Makes sense wrote:
Got Mormonism? Now, who's severely conservative?
This isn't your granddady's America anymore! Now he gets to have 5 grandmas for you. You starting to feel the love?
America would be so much better if we just had more grandmas in the world.
Obama's "Father" had 3 wives. Romney's Dad only had one. And Obama has a son by Vera Baker who looks nothing like Trayvon Martin.
Makes sense

Dearborn, MI

#6 Apr 22, 2012
Curtis Lowe wrote:
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Obama's "Father" had 3 wives. Romney's Dad only had one. And Obama has a son by Vera Baker who looks nothing like Trayvon Martin.
It's funny how many States are passing anti Sharia laws, but they aren't passing anti Mormon laws. They both allow polygamy.

I guess it's ALL GOOD. Mormons, Muslims, Christians are all the SAME THING.

Fall in line.
Curtis Lowe

United States

#7 Apr 22, 2012
Makes sense wrote:
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It's funny how many States are passing anti Sharia laws, but they aren't passing anti Mormon laws. They both allow polygamy.
I guess it's ALL GOOD. Mormons, Muslims, Christians are all the SAME THING.
Fall in line.
If it ain't by the Pope, then go piss up a rope! Biden/Pelosi 2012! Where's Vera Baker?

Since: Nov 08

Paris

#8 Apr 22, 2012
Makes sense wrote:
Got Mormonism? Now, who's severely conservative?
This isn't your granddady's America anymore! Now he gets to have 5 grandmas for you. You starting to feel the love?
America would be so much better if we just had more grandmas in the world.
You are as stupid as Obama. We are up to our neck in debt, millions losing their homes and you, like Obama want to keep flashing these red herings. You are not only a traitor, but a stupid one.

Since: Nov 08

Paris

#9 Apr 22, 2012
Makes sense wrote:
<quoted text>
It's funny how many States are passing anti Sharia laws, but they aren't passing anti Mormon laws. They both allow polygamy.
I guess it's ALL GOOD. Mormons, Muslims, Christians are all the SAME THING.
Fall in line.
Oh my, those Mormons must be flying planes into buildings again..........get a lift maggot muncher. Polygamy has been outlawed for years......now if we could only do that to liberalism.

“Truth to Power!”

Since: Apr 07

Raleigh, NC

#10 Apr 22, 2012



Obama IS the PROBLEM.




Get rid of that Piece of Sh*t.




Flush it.

“JESUS WOULD IMPEACH THE GOP!!!”

Since: May 09

Lake Success, N.Y.

#11 Apr 22, 2012
Curtis Lowe wrote:
<quoted text>
Obama's "Father" had 3 wives. Romney's Dad only had one. And Obama has a son by Vera Baker who looks nothing like Trayvon Martin.
Nothing to cling to, and you stupidly cling to this fabricated story by the National Enquirer?

http://obamaverabaker.com/

You also a birther? Bet u are!

Moron!
Makes sense

Dearborn, MI

#12 Apr 22, 2012
Curtis Lowe wrote:
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Obama's "Father" had 3 wives. Romney's Dad only had one. And Obama has a son by Vera Baker who looks nothing like Trayvon Martin.
We don't know how many wives Bishop Rmoney has. Why does he have so many residences in so many countries.

I'm glad Bishop Rmoney is Mormon. It's an improvement of the old Bible. I want my kids to know the latest greatest religion.
Makes sense

Dearborn, MI

#13 Apr 22, 2012
Le Jimbo wrote:
<quoted text>Oh my, those Mormons must be flying planes into buildings again..........get a lift maggot muncher. Polygamy has been outlawed for years......now if we could only do that to liberalism.
Polygamy is alive and well all over the western United States and in other countries. I'm glad and will teach my children our Bishop Rmoney's religion because Mormonism is the lastest greatest religion, the fastest growing religion in the USA, thanks in large part to the generousity of Bishop Romney.
Makes sense

Dearborn, MI

#14 Apr 22, 2012
Le Jimbo wrote:
<quoted text>You are as stupid as Obama. We are up to our neck in debt, millions losing their homes and you, like Obama want to keep flashing these red herings. You are not only a traitor, but a stupid one.
Hey, jackass, I like Bishop Rmoney. I like Mormons. You must be a dumnb COMMIE Democrat.
Makes sense

Dearborn, MI

#15 Apr 22, 2012
Posted 10/3/2004 9:38 PM

Polygamy laws expose our own hypocrisy
By Jonathan Turley

Tom Green is an American polygamist. This month, he will appeal his conviction in Utah for that offense to the United States Supreme Court, in a case that could redefine the limits of marriage, privacy and religious freedom.
If the court agrees to take the case, it would be forced to confront a 126-year-old decision allowing states to criminalize polygamy that few would find credible today, even as they reject the practice. And it could be forced to address glaring contradictions created in recent decisions of constitutional law.

For polygamists, it is simply a matter of unequal treatment under the law.

Individuals have a recognized constitutional right to engage in any form of consensual sexual relationship with any number of partners. Thus, a person can live with multiple partners and even sire children from different partners so long as they do not marry. However, when that same person accepts a legal commitment for those partners "as a spouse," we jail them.

Likewise, someone such as singer Britney Spears can have multiple husbands so long as they are consecutive, not concurrent. Thus, Spears can marry and divorce men in quick succession and become the maven of tabloid covers. Yet if she marries two of the men for life, she will become the matron of a state prison.

Religion defines the issue

The difference between a polygamist and the follower of an "alternative lifestyle" is often religion. In addition to protecting privacy, the Constitution is supposed to protect the free exercise of religion unless the religious practice injures a third party or causes some public danger.

However, in its 1878 opinion in Reynolds vs. United States, the court refused to recognize polygamy as a legitimate religious practice, dismissing it in racist and anti-Mormon terms as "almost exclusively a feature of the life of Asiatic and African people." In later decisions, the court declared polygamy to be "a blot on our civilization" and compared it to human sacrifice and "a return to barbarism." Most tellingly, the court found that the practice is "contrary to the spirit of Christianity and of the civilization which Christianity has produced in the Western World."

Contrary to the court's statements, the practice of polygamy is actually one of the common threads between Christians, Jews and Muslims.

Deuteronomy contains a rule for the division of property in polygamist marriages. Old Testament figures such as Abraham, David, Jacob and Solomon were all favored by God and were all polygamists. Solomon truly put the "poly" to polygamy with 700 wives and 300 concubines. Mohammed had 10 wives, though the Koran limits multiple wives to four. Martin Luther at one time accepted polygamy as a practical necessity. Polygamy is still present among Jews in Israel, Yemen and the Mediterranean.

Indeed, studies have found polygamy present in 78% of the world's cultures, including some Native American tribes.(While most are polygynists — with one man and multiple women — there are polyandrists in Nepal and Tibet in which one woman has multiple male spouses.) As many as 50,000 polygamists live in the United States.

Given this history and the long religious traditions, it cannot be seriously denied that polygamy is a legitimate religious belief. Since polygamy is a criminal offense, polygamists do not seek marriage licenses. However, even living as married can send you to prison. Prosecutors have asked courts to declare a person as married under common law and then convicted them of polygamy.
Makes sense

Dearborn, MI

#16 Apr 22, 2012
The Green case

This is what happened in the case of Green, who was sentenced to five years to life in prison. In his case, the state first used the common law to classify Green and four women as constructively married — even though they never sought a license. Green was then convicted of polygamy.

While the justifications have changed over the years, the most common argument today in favor of a criminal ban is that underage girls have been coerced into polygamist marriages. There are indeed such cases. However, banning polygamy is no more a solution to child abuse than banning marriage would be a solution to spousal abuse. The country has laws to punish pedophiles and there is no religious exception to those laws.

In Green's case, he was shown to have "married" a 13-year-old girl. If Green had relations with her, he is a pedophile and was properly prosecuted for a child sex crime — just as a person in a monogamous marriage would be prosecuted.

The First Amendment was designed to protect the least popular and least powerful among us. When the high court struck down anti-sodomy laws in Lawrence vs. Texas, we ended decades of the use of criminal laws to persecute gays. However, this recent change was brought about in part by the greater acceptance of gay men and lesbians into society, including openly gay politicians and popular TV characters.

Such a day of social acceptance will never come for polygamists. It is unlikely that any network is going to air The Polygamist Eye for the Monogamist Guy or add a polygamist twist to Everyone Loves Raymond. No matter. The rights of polygamists should not be based on popularity, but principle.

I personally detest polygamy. Yet if we yield to our impulse and single out one hated minority, the First Amendment becomes little more than hype and we become little more than hypocrites. For my part, I would rather have a neighbor with different spouses than a country with different standards for its citizens.

I know I can educate my three sons about the importance of monogamy, but hypocrisy can leave a more lasting impression.

Jonathan Turley is the Shapiro Professor of Public Interest Law at George Washington Law School.

“Happiness comes through giving”

Since: Feb 08

Location hidden

#18 Apr 22, 2012
The laughing liberal wrote:
Obama IS the PROBLEM.
Get rid of that Piece of Sh*t.
Flush it.
You made it. You flush it.

Since: Nov 08

Paris

#19 Apr 22, 2012
TonyT1961 wrote:
<quoted text>
Nothing to cling to, and you stupidly cling to this fabricated story by the National Enquirer?
http://obamaverabaker.com/
You also a birther? Bet u are!
Moron!
Hilarious week lined up for Obama, prez to appear on Fallon, Kimmel to roast him at White House dinner.

Many see Obama's appearance on the popular show an attempt to zero in on young voters.

Of course as is normal with Obama, nothing about jobs, his hidden records, another smoking gun on the border, or the thousands wasted by the GSA.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/hila ...
Cat74

United States

#20 Apr 22, 2012
Senator Hatch has been in Washington 36 years. That is more then enough time to serve the country. He needs to go home now, and give someone else the job, someone with new ideas. He is being challanged in the primary, and that is good.

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