Crackdown turns Chipotle boss into im...

Crackdown turns Chipotle boss into immigration-reform advocate

There are 86 comments on the Denver Post story from Dec 19, 2011, titled Crackdown turns Chipotle boss into immigration-reform advocate. In it, Denver Post reports that:

A government crackdown that found Chipotle Mexican Grill had hired hundreds of undocumented workers has turned Monty Moran, the burrito chain's co-leader, into an unlikely champion of immigration overhaul.

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The Notorious Rico

“Conservatism is a Disease.”

Since: Nov 11

Lake Los Angeles, CA

#66 Dec 20, 2011
USA wrote:
<quoted text>it may make sense for Americans to sit on the couch versus working. Unemployment benefits provide up to $265 a week while a minimum wage job, at $7.25 an hour for 40 hours, brings in $290. Isnít that crazy? Jobs are available for Americans yet they are unwilling to do them because the hours are long and the work is hard
Of course it does. Who would want to work for the same amount of money vs sitting on their rear ends and getting about the same?

You cannot blame these people. It's a framework that isn't designed to wean off people unemployment and into low paying jobs. Therefore, the illegal immigrant slips on in and assumes the job, but according to the anti-illegals, Americans are not the problem of this issue.

The Notorious Rico

“Conservatism is a Disease.”

Since: Nov 11

Lake Los Angeles, CA

#67 Dec 20, 2011
sterco wrote:
<quoted text>
You have me pegged right on beers today!!! Hey Rico why do you support the WASTE of this nation!!!
You mean why do I not align myself with your radical right wing agenda? I'm a moderate from liberal California. We have a different perspective on political issues. Apparently, that makes me your enemy.
sterco wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't care if you are brown because many of my friends are brown. One difference is they don't advocate for the ruination of this nation!!!
90% of your blather is about the hatred of your brown friends. I'm sure that if your brown friends seen a fraction of the hate you post on Topix, they'd no longer be your friends.
sterco wrote:
<quoted text>
You are apparently living off the fat of the land. You have one fine job!!!
14 trillion in a hole plus the trillions in war appropriations for "other countries wars" and you want to claim that this Country has fat? No steerco, this Country has a federal reserve system that creates money out of nothing and people like you call that wealth & fat.
sterco wrote:
<quoted text>
Why do you want to give the nation away to MEXIHELL? You do realize that the average of MEXIHELL and the USA is a LOSE LOSE for all of us? Give it up RICO. One brother to another!!!!
You see, you're hellbent on scapegoating Mexico for all of todays socioeconomic ills. How can I take you or anyone seriously regarding this issue? Have you any idea how absurd & "out in radical right wing field" that sounds?

A perfect example is welfare. More whites are on welfare than Mexican anchor babies yet for reasons unknown you want to blame only Mexican anchor babies for the socioeconomic pressures that the majority white population puts on the system.

But hey, it's funnier to hate on those brown Mexican babies, right. What fun is it to hate on them white ones, right?

Quit being so fcking transparent and stop insulting my intelligence. You fool nobody but you and your little click of radicals.
Dee Dee Dee

Emmaus, PA

#68 Dec 20, 2011
USA wrote:
<quoted text> don't cut copy and past my posts ok!
Just had to point out what a hypocrite you are. If you do not want to have your posts come back to haunt you then donít post. LOL
Fed Up Vet

Bowie, MD

#69 Dec 20, 2011
USA wrote:
<quoted text> yeh but some are outdated
Try telling that nonsense to the judge. I am sure he or she would be glad to explain how the law works.
g l o r i a

Peoria, AZ

#73 Dec 20, 2011
USA wrote:
<quoted text> great video Rico thanks a picture says a thousand words, keep looking and posting more videos, good job Rico
NTR??

I always wondered how low you would stoop. lol lol

The Notorious Rico

“Conservatism is a Disease.”

Since: Nov 11

Lake Los Angeles, CA

#74 Dec 20, 2011
USA wrote:
<quoted text> great video Rico thanks a picture says a thousand words, keep looking and posting more videos, good job Rico
It's not that I want illegals freely flooding into the USA to perform menial jobs unchecked but rather the fact that how you have radicals who're creating so many more problems with their "draconian solutions".

They're obviously shooting themselves in their own feet.
USA

United States

#75 Dec 20, 2011
The Notorious Rico wrote:
<quoted text>
It's not that I want illegals freely flooding into the USA to perform menial jobs unchecked but rather the fact that how you have radicals who're creating so many more problems with their "draconian solutions".
They're obviously shooting themselves in their own feet.
I couldn't believe my ears russel Pearce wants the illegals back, remarkable, great video Rico
scout

Castro Valley, CA

#76 Dec 20, 2011
I'm boycotting Chipotle. Why isn't RICCO invoked and the business taken over and re-sold?
scout

Castro Valley, CA

#77 Dec 20, 2011
Perfect. A bunch of drug running diseased illegals making my burrito!!!!!! Dang! And they operate under the 'healthy' food slogan!!!

I gonna see about a class action legal suit and put these Chipotle criminals outta business!!!
NYC

New York, NY

#78 Dec 20, 2011
scout wrote:
Perfect. A bunch of drug running diseased illegals making my burrito!!!!!! Dang! And they operate under the 'healthy' food slogan!!!
I gonna see about a class action legal suit and put these Chipotle criminals outta business!!!
I am afraid I've got bad news 4 u: all the fruits and vegetables exept the machine picked are picked up by diseased illegals here or in Mexico, so you don't have a choice don't you or if you want grow for your self, probably you do
The USDAís National Agricultural Workers Survey reports that 29% of hired cropworkers are Americans by birth.
http://www.ers.usda.gov/Briefing/LaborAndEduc...
scout

Castro Valley, CA

#79 Dec 20, 2011
Then RICCO all the corp farmers and fine the mom and pop farmers! No wonder everyone around here is sick!
scout

Castro Valley, CA

#80 Dec 20, 2011
Ya know, went to a couple Chipotles last month and thought the employees were kinda half scared of stuff. They must sell drugs at the store on the side!
Contribution

Minneapolis, MN

#81 Dec 21, 2011
USA wrote:
<quoted text> underpay ? Wa. apple farmers are so desperate for pickers, one grower hired inmates from a minimum-security state prison at $22 an hour to help with the harvest.
You just demonstrate how blatantly dishonest pro illegal people are.

We are talking about Chipotle workers, not apple farmers, so you using that as a strawman argument is transparently dishonest.

It's not a problem of how "lazy" people are in the US.

It's a problem of deflated wages due to influx of cheap third world labor into the labor pool and the corporate powers that exploit them and the corrupt politicians that support it.

The labor market works like any other market. There's a supply and demand. When you artificially introduce a large group of people willing to work for illegally low wages into the labor pool, you lower the wages. And when you lower the wages, you lower the demand for people to work at those jobs.

The reason illegals work for shitty wages and in bad conditions is because it is still better than their country of origin. That doesn't make them hard working, that just makes them desperate and easily exploitable.

There's a reason why we are the United States of America and NOT the United States of Mexico or China.

Unless you want to live in a third world hellhole then you should be concerned as I am about the degrading wages caused by illegal immigrants.
scout

Castro Valley, CA

#82 Dec 21, 2011
Contribution wrote:
<quoted text>
You just demonstrate how blatantly dishonest pro illegal people are.
We are talking about Chipotle workers, not apple farmers, so you using that as a strawman argument is transparently dishonest.
It's not a problem of how "lazy" people are in the US.
It's a problem of deflated wages due to influx of cheap third world labor into the labor pool and the corporate powers that exploit them and the corrupt politicians that support it.
The labor market works like any other market. There's a supply and demand. When you artificially introduce a large group of people willing to work for illegally low wages into the labor pool, you lower the wages. And when you lower the wages, you lower the demand for people to work at those jobs.
The reason illegals work for shitty wages and in bad conditions is because it is still better than their country of origin. That doesn't make them hard working, that just makes them desperate and easily exploitable.
There's a reason why we are the United States of America and NOT the United States of Mexico or China.
Unless you want to live in a third world hellhole then you should be concerned as I am about the degrading wages caused by illegal immigrants.
exactly. We STOP all illegals, cleans up drugs and criminals, raises farm wages, etc.

So, we pay a little more. Who cares? Americans back at work and we save all things American, from schools to social infra structure to hard infra structure to LESS street crime.

Too easy.

Still ok for LEGALS to come in if they want to abide by our rules.
Contribution

Minneapolis, MN

#83 Dec 21, 2011
scout wrote:
<quoted text>
exactly. We STOP all illegals, cleans up drugs and criminals, raises farm wages, etc.
So, we pay a little more. Who cares? Americans back at work and we save all things American, from schools to social infra structure to hard infra structure to LESS street crime.
Too easy.
Still ok for LEGALS to come in if they want to abide by our rules.
The point is, high wages is how our economy works.

Without people with money in their pockets, they can't buy, and when they can't buy, businesses go down, and when that happens people get unemployed, which leads to more people with no money to spend.

It's a vicious cycle.

Big businesses and big farm are shortsighted and after only temporary profits from illegally hiring illegal workers for illegal wages but they don't realize it is themselves and the overall economy they are hurting in the long run.
NYC

New York, NY

#84 Dec 21, 2011
Haha but chipotle still didn't rise the wages, so what's the point? The point is that the owner is unhappy with his new employees being forced To hire them ?
NYC

New York, NY

#85 Dec 21, 2011
Contribution wrote:
<quoted text>
You just demonstrate how blatantly dishonest pro illegal people are.
We are talking about Chipotle workers, not apple farmers, so you using that as a strawman argument is transparently dishonest.
It's not a problem of how "lazy" people are in the US.
It's a problem of deflated wages due to influx of cheap third world labor into the labor pool and the corporate powers that exploit them and the corrupt politicians that support it.
The labor market works like any other market. There's a supply and demand. When you artificially introduce a large group of people willing to work for illegally low wages into the labor pool, you lower the wages. And when you lower the wages, you lower the demand for people to work at those jobs.
The reason illegals work for shitty wages and in bad conditions is because it is still better than their country of origin. That doesn't make them hard working, that just makes them desperate and easily exploitable.
There's a reason why we are the United States of America and NOT the United States of Mexico or China.
Unless you want to live in a third world hellhole then you should be concerned as I am about the degrading wages caused by illegal immigrants.
You don't own any business don't you? And you have no idea how the today's business works huh? Here are a few hints for you:
1. The farmers can't raise wages, period. Not when he has to compete with other states w/ no SB 1070-like laws, and not when there are foreign farms willing to sell for much less.

2. The American workforce will never, ever adjust to the farm work, period. We have been traditionally reliant on the immigrant workforce (at least since the 50's) to replace the native citizens who have economically 'upgraded' themselves over a generation and avoid the fluctuating/aging worker population problem that every other countries had to deal with every 20 years or so. We're facing the illegal immigration problem now because a CERTAIN party (G... O...) made legal immigration all but impossible when they passed series of immigration laws in the 90's (during Newt's time, actually) that clamped down on the immigration rate.
NYC

New York, NY

#86 Dec 21, 2011
scout wrote:
<quoted text>
exactly. We STOP all illegals, cleans up drugs and criminals, raises farm wages, etc.
So, we pay a little more. Who cares? Americans back at work and we save all things American, from schools to social infra structure to hard infra structure to LESS street crime.
Too easy.
Still ok for LEGALS to come in if they want to abide by our rules.
You don't own any business don't you? And you have no idea how the today's business works huh? Here are a few hints for you:
1. The farmers can't raise wages, period. Not when he has to compete with other states w/ no SB 1070-like laws, and not when there are foreign farms willing to sell for much less.

2. The American workforce will never, ever adjust to the farm work, period. We have been traditionally reliant on the immigrant workforce (at least since the 50's) to replace the native citizens who have economically 'upgraded' themselves over a generation and avoid the fluctuating/aging worker population problem that every other countries had to deal with every 20 years or so. We're facing the illegal immigration problem now because a CERTAIN party (G... O...) made legal immigration all but impossible when they passed series of immigration laws in the 90's (during Newt's time, actually) that clamped down on the immigration rate.
NYC

New York, NY

#87 Dec 21, 2011
scout wrote:
<quoted text>
exactly. We STOP all illegals, cleans up drugs and criminals, raises farm wages, etc.
So, we pay a little more. Who cares? Americans back at work and we save all things American, from schools to social infra structure to hard infra structure to LESS street crime.
Too easy.
Still ok for LEGALS to come in if they want to abide by our rules.
You don't own any business don't you? And you have no idea how the today's business works huh? Here are a few hints for you:
1. The farmers can't raise wages, period. Not when he has to compete with other states w/ no SB 1070-like laws, and not when there are foreign farms willing to sell for much less.

2. The American workforce will never, ever adjust to the farm work, period. We have been traditionally reliant on the immigrant workforce (at least since the 50's) to replace the native citizens who have economically 'upgraded' themselves over a generation and avoid the fluctuating/aging worker population problem that every other countries had to deal with every 20 years or so. We're facing the illegal immigration problem now because a CERTAIN party (G... O...) made legal immigration all but impossible when they passed series of immigration laws in the 90's (during Newt's time, actually) that clamped down on the immigration rate.
Contribution

Minneapolis, MN

#88 Dec 21, 2011
NYC wrote:
<quoted text>You don't own any business don't you? And you have no idea how the today's business works huh? Here are a few hints for you:
1. The farmers can't raise wages, period. Not when he has to compete with other states w/ no SB 1070-like laws, and not when there are foreign farms willing to sell for much less.
What a load of bullshit and blatant dishonesty.

The point is SB 1070 like laws should be enforced nationwide, your use of that argument is a pathetic case of logical fallacy.

Obviously there are areas where we have a competitive disadvantage, that's unavoidable in a global economy.

That doesn't mean we automatically stop producing or hiring in any of those fields. We don't import 100% of our farm goods you idiot.

The % of the demand filled for domestic consumption is easily competitive within the states as long as all states follow the same federal guidelines. The problem is the powerful corporate lobbyists and their corrupt politician cronies have handicapped our federal enforcement so much that we would even need state level legislation like this.

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