Latino Vets Reject Deportations

Latino Vets Reject Deportations

There are 38 comments on the www.laht.com story from Jun 7, 2011, titled Latino Vets Reject Deportations. In it, www.laht.com reports that:

Colorado members of the American GI Forum rejected during their annual conference the federal program Secure Communities and repeated their opposition to the deportations of war veterans born outside the United States.

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The Mad Man

Long Beach, CA

#23 Jun 7, 2011
denmoooo wrote:
I am not aware of the current system, but back in the late 1960's foreigners were in the military, some were citizens, most were not, but were eligible after they completed their enlistment. They were restricted from anything associated with security.
If they were citizens of the US, they should have a social security card or a dd214 or something to prove they are a US citizen.
Keith

Las Vegas, NV

#24 Jun 7, 2011
The Mad Man wrote:
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I served 4 out of my 6 years in active duty. That is why I mentioned the discharge papers. I know what a dd214 is and you are correct with the documentation you mentioned, and that is why I do not understand why these brothers are crying about not being able to find documentation. Something is a miss here and I am not sure I am falling for this story.(P.S. I have a degree in Journalism and worked as a freelance journalist so I know how stories can be blown to the wind)
Nothing less than the sovereignty of the nation is at risk here. Our enemies are well funded and well lead. The article and the situation are nothing but pure propaganda and a diversionary tactic.

“As American as.......”

Since: Feb 11

Apple Pie

#25 Jun 7, 2011
Keith wrote:
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Nothing less than the sovereignty of the nation is at risk here. Our enemies are well funded and well lead. The article and the situation are nothing but pure propaganda and a diversionary tactic.
Absolutely correct. They are using this story to try to trash the whole immigration enforcement idea. 87% of American's favor deportation. The liberals need the votes. They are using our tax money to buy these votes in the form of food stamps, housing assistance, medicaid etc. If we would quit paying them to come here the bulk of them wouldn't come.

I recently read an article about the number of possible Taliban menbers coming through our southern borders. Who do they think they're fooling with all this airport security? The terrorists are walking into our country while the latinos are bleeding us dry.

“THE RUMBLE WILL BECOME A ROAR”

Since: Dec 06

United States of America

#26 Jun 7, 2011
denmoooo wrote:
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I can tell by you lengthy post that you never served and that you believe what anyone tells you. Anyone that has been in the service has several things in their possession. DD214, enlistment papers, graduation papers from boot camp. Service number, which in early 1960 was not your social security number, separation papers and you discharge papers. Now if those guys you are crying about don't have any of those papers, they didn't serve but are trying to bull crap their way into being a citizen. Remember, this is the US government, they never forget anything, and the various military organizations keep records on all personnel. Philippinos served as mess boys for 8 years and were granted citizenship after successful separation.
Not exactly! My husband was a POW in Korea. After returning to the states, he went through a divorce and moved around a good bit with his job and his copies of his papers were lost. The government had a fire in St. Louis MO. and thousands of military records, especially from the Korean war were burned. The VA gave him a DD214 with the date of enlistment and the date he got out but no other records were available. He died of a service connected injury but he never drew a dime of compensation. They did give him his medications and he could go to the VA hospital if he needed to.
The 1973 Fire, National Personnel Records Center
On July 12, 1973, a disastrous fire at the National Personnel Records Center (NPRC) destroyed approximately 16-18 million Official Military Personnel Files (OMPF). The records affected:
http://www.archives.gov/st-louis/military-per...

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http://www.riograndesun.com/articles/2011/06/...

Since: Jan 11

Location hidden

#27 Jun 7, 2011
I am only responsible for me and my records, but since I have a birth certificate listing where I was born it becomes a mute point doesn't it?
But again, if you were in the military, you had a number, you memorized it, I still remember mine and it isn't the same as my SS#. That alone can get you some records, but the question is still about the two guys in Colorado Springs, they SAY they were in Viet Nam, and have no records what so ever, sounds like a scam to me. Maybe they thought that by claiming to be war veterans they would get a free ride.
Otherwise it's time to bone up on Spanish

Since: Feb 11

Denver, CO

#28 Jun 7, 2011
MIGRA wrote:
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he should not be in the military in the first place.
You totally have a point there. I just do not want to see any new ways to skirt the system.

“THE RUMBLE WILL BECOME A ROAR”

Since: Dec 06

United States of America

#29 Jun 7, 2011
paulerow wrote:
I am only responsible for me and my records, but since I have a birth certificate listing where I was born it becomes a mute point doesn't it?
But again, if you were in the military, you had a number, you memorized it, I still remember mine and it isn't the same as my SS#. That alone can get you some records, but the question is still about the two guys in Colorado Springs, they SAY they were in Viet Nam, and have no records what so ever, sounds like a scam to me. Maybe they thought that by claiming to be war veterans they would get a free ride.
Otherwise it's time to bone up on Spanish
My husband remembered his military number too, that's how he was able to get the DD214 but all his military records including the time he spent in the military hospital were "supposedly" lost.

Since: Apr 10

Houston, TX

#30 Jun 7, 2011
How did these guy receive a paycheck without a SS number? How have they been living the last 60 years? Do they work? How did they cross the border? Even thou they were in the military you still have to follow the laws. These guys have been in the country for 60 years but don't know nothing about nothing now? When they enlisted did they have greencards? No citizenship and no greencards? Something's not right, this is only half the story. Don't Mexico keep birth records? Do they have kids like puppy litters and not keep records. No wonder they can't get passports and visas, they can't prove who they are.

“THE RUMBLE WILL BECOME A ROAR”

Since: Dec 06

United States of America

#31 Jun 7, 2011
spytheweb wrote:
How did these guy receive a paycheck without a SS number? How have they been living the last 60 years? Do they work? How did they cross the border? Even thou they were in the military you still have to follow the laws. These guys have been in the country for 60 years but don't know nothing about nothing now? When they enlisted did they have greencards? No citizenship and no greencards? Something's not right, this is only half the story. Don't Mexico keep birth records? Do they have kids like puppy litters and not keep records. No wonder they can't get passports and visas, they can't prove who they are.
Some use so many aliases I'm surprised they remember who they are.
Fortunate Son

Canyon Country, CA

#32 Jun 7, 2011
Back in the early 70's when all the Vietnamese refugees came. You should have witnessed the paperwork redtape fiasco in So. Calif.
Thousands virtually came without anykind of valid paperwork. To prove their name, age, whether they were So. Viet Vets or what. They virtually had to create new ID's then and there.
Now they're established citizens and a whole new generation of Vietnamese is growing up Americanized. In Little Saigon,[Westminster, Calif] they even have a Vietnam War Memorial.
More than I can say for alot of places in the USA.

Ken Arnold For Congress California 46th District Speaks on remaining consequences of the Vietnamese war. Surviving victims and the totalitarian regime still in Vietnam that does not care for it people. At Vietnam War Memorial in Westminster California April 2, 2010
http://youtu.be/ZaieXwhMm4o

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Since: Feb 11

Apple Pie

#33 Jun 7, 2011
NON COMPLACENT TWINK wrote:
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Some use so many aliases I'm surprised they remember who they are.
I had a guy apply for a job. The background check indicated that his SS# had been in use since he was 2 years old. Six different names, all latino. Guy was blond haired, blue eyed. He had no clue!

“THE RUMBLE WILL BECOME A ROAR”

Since: Dec 06

United States of America

#34 Jun 8, 2011
Auntie Social List wrote:
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I had a guy apply for a job. The background check indicated that his SS# had been in use since he was 2 years old. Six different names, all latino. Guy was blond haired, blue eyed. He had no clue!
There was a shot of a fake drivers licence going around a couple of years ago where the guy had his girlfriend in the drivers licence photo with him.
Free is free

Santa Fe, NM

#35 Jun 8, 2011
NON COMPLACENT TWINK wrote:
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My husband remembered his military number too, that's how he was able to get the DD214 but all his military records including the time he spent in the military hospital were "supposedly" lost.
That's a good point. I kept all my military paperwork, including my TS/SCI clearance papers, because it's really difficult to do and I wanted it for reference. I keep all that stuff (DD 214, VA Green Cert, Honorable Discharge Cert, military personnel and medical records and clearance paperwork) in a safe deposit box at the bank. It's valuable, so it should be treated as such.

I have no idea if the military has my records any more, because I keep them for myself..

“THE RUMBLE WILL BECOME A ROAR”

Since: Dec 06

United States of America

#36 Jun 8, 2011
Free is free wrote:
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That's a good point. I kept all my military paperwork, including my TS/SCI clearance papers, because it's really difficult to do and I wanted it for reference. I keep all that stuff (DD 214, VA Green Cert, Honorable Discharge Cert, military personnel and medical records and clearance paperwork) in a safe deposit box at the bank. It's valuable, so it should be treated as such.
I have no idea if the military has my records any more, because I keep them for myself..
That's a wise thing to do and he should have done that but he was young, went through a divorce and then traveled for the company he worked for and just failed to keep his papers together.
I was told after his death that they had found some more of the Korean war papers and his might be in them. I had applied for a widows pension but when I went back the next time, they told me the person who told me that was no longer there. I do not trust our government and I will never believe that they kept all those records in one place. I believe they have copies on microfiche somewhere.
They told one vet that his records were destroyed and while the man at the VA was talking to him, part of his records slid out of the folder he was holding. I believe our corrupt government does a lot of underhanded things to avoid taking care of our veterans.
There was also a website about 8 years ago where I could put in his information and it would download his information. It would load for about 20 minutes then we would get a message that he was not authorized to access that information. If it was his own information, why would he not be allowed to access it? They shut the website down.

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#37 Jun 8, 2011
Ah, the mercenaries are being deported.
US Army

United States

#38 Jun 8, 2011
The Mad Man wrote:
'The Valenzuela brothers, both in their 60s, live in Colorado Springs and both fought in the Vietnam War. Born in Mexico of an American mother and a father nationalized a U.S. citizen, they could be deported because they lack documents proving that they were registered in the United States more than 60 years ago.'

They fought in Viet Nam which means they had to be American citizens. Discharge papers would show documentation because the military usually does not allow you to serve unless you are an American citizen. I am sure there documentation somewhere and that is all they need to prove their citizenship. High school, birth certificate, military papers, something I am sure is on record and all they have to do to prove their innocents is find the documentation.
There was a story on Yahoo a few months back where the government almost deported a 80+ yr old WW2 vet because there were no records of his birth and they found out his parents were Canadian. Thats our government for you, give 3 meals and a bed to convicted criminal illegals and kick out those who volunteer to die in defense of us.
US Army

United States

#39 Jun 8, 2011
denmoooo wrote:
<quoted text>I can tell by you lengthy post that you never served and that you believe what anyone tells you. Anyone that has been in the service has several things in their possession. DD214, enlistment papers, graduation papers from boot camp. Service number, which in early 1960 was not your social security number, separation papers and you discharge papers. Now if those guys you are crying about don't have any of those papers, they didn't serve but are trying to bull crap their way into being a citizen. Remember, this is the US government, they never forget anything, and the various military organizations keep records on all personnel. Philippinos served as mess boys for 8 years and were granted citizenship after successful separation.
Actually you are not completely correct, i served with a Russian who was commissioned as an officer in 1993 through ROTC. He went into Military intelligence. He was NOT a citizen.

Since: Jan 11

Location hidden

#40 Jun 8, 2011
My reference was for my time in the military which was in the 1960's

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