Campaign tactics deployed to avoid fi...

Campaign tactics deployed to avoid fiscal cliff

There are 31 comments on the USA Today story from Dec 11, 2012, titled Campaign tactics deployed to avoid fiscal cliff. In it, USA Today reports that:

The 2012 presidential election has been over for more than a month, but Republicans and Democrats are using campaign-style tactics to deliver their messages about the fiscal cliff.

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“Forever Is Promised To No One”

Since: Nov 12

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#21 Dec 13, 2012
Eric Gustafson wrote:
If you were not a coward, you would have been front and center facing off with those unions protesting yesterday stating your exact opposition, but you rather post those sentiments here under the cloak of secrecy.
The Guy from Fox baited the gentlemen and he served the Fox contributor rather well. At least he didn't take the Tea Party approach and spit on the guy.
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You are a bigger moron than I first thought. Were you there. Hell no, still under your bed. The unions, blacks and loons only pull this crap where there are liberal mayors or govenors. They don't pull it here. Not enough body bags.
Eric Gustafson

Newport News, VA

#22 Dec 13, 2012
au contraire wrote:
<quoted text>Sure, nothing was wrong, that's why America's credit rating has gone down twice. You morons need to quit listening to the MSM propaganda before it's too late for all of us.
America's credit rating went down because of the Republicans, the Credit Agency made that crystal clear.

Are you trying to change the story?

The GOP Terrorist Network was the sole reason Standard & Poor reduced America's credit rating.

You're trying to change the story, what you're saying is fiction.

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/standard-poors...

In announcing the move late Friday, the ratings agency said a deal this week to reduce the nation's debt did not go far enough and exposed paralyzing political dysfunction.
Eric Gustafson

Newport News, VA

#23 Dec 13, 2012
au contraire wrote:
<quoted text>Sure, nothing was wrong, that's why America's credit rating has gone down twice. You morons need to quit listening to the MSM propaganda before it's too late for all of us.
I see you're a pathological liar. You make up stories to post here.

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/standard-poors...

In particular, Standard & Poor's added, it grew more pessimistic about U.S. debt because of the bitter political fight over raising the debt ceiling.

"The political brinksmanship of recent months," the company said, "highlights what we see as America's governance and policymaking becoming less stable, less effective, and less predictable than what we previously believed."

“Forever Is Promised To No One”

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#24 Dec 13, 2012
Eric Gustafson wrote:
<quoted text>
America's credit rating went down because of the Republicans, the Credit Agency made that crystal clear.
Are you trying to change the story?
The GOP Terrorist Network was the sole reason Standard & Poor reduced America's credit rating.
You're trying to change the story, what you're saying is fiction.
http://abcnews.go.com/Business/standard-poors...
In announcing the move late Friday, the ratings agency said a deal this week to reduce the nation's debt did not go far enough and exposed paralyzing political dysfunction.
More MSM crap. What else ya got. They down graded because of the same reason the did the second time. Obama's spending with no plan in sight. Tell him to lead, follow or get out of the way.
Eric Gustafson

Newport News, VA

#25 Dec 13, 2012
au contraire wrote:
<quoted text>More MSM crap. What else ya got. They down graded because of the same reason the did the second time. Obama's spending with no plan in sight. Tell him to lead, follow or get out of the way.
BS, Obama can't spend without Congress Approving the Legislation authorizing a draw from the treasury.

It's ridiculous to have to tell an Adult Citizen how Congress operates.

When had the Republicans in the House or Senate approved any proposal Obama wanted? Not since Scott Brown was seated in the Senate to replace Ted Kennedy has any proposal passed.

How was spending achieved without that consent?

I've heard the shrills over at Fox News touting this spending nonsense and that's obviously what you're repeating.
fatbacks x

Portland, OR

#26 Dec 13, 2012
au contraire wrote:
<quoted text>Sure, nothing was wrong, that's why America's credit rating has gone down twice. You morons need to quit listening to the MSM propaganda before it's too late for all of us.
I like your posts! They'er all stupid, so grading is easy.Only wish there was an head in ass icon for you. Thank you!
Eric Gustafson

Newport News, VA

#27 Dec 15, 2012
au contraire wrote:
<quoted text>Sure, nothing was wrong, that's why America's credit rating has gone down twice. You morons need to quit listening to the MSM propaganda before it's too late for all of us.
Standard & Poor lowered the rating because the Republican Majority in the House used the debt ceiling as a bargaining chip.

The rating agency said in essence that Washington is broken.

Pointing to "the gulf" between the political parties and how they used the debt ceiling as a "bargaining chip," leaving the United States "less stable, less effective."

"This is not really a serious way to run the country," Chambers said.

Wasn't it the Republicans idea to use the debt ceiling as a bargaining chip, exactly as they have currently broadcast to duplicate again in February?
Standard & Poor's Downgrades US Credit Rating From AAA to AA+

Aug. 5, 2011
For the first time ever, the United States lost its perfect credit rating as Standard & Poor's reduced its U.S. long-term debt assessment from AAA to AA+ with a negative outlook.

In announcing the move late Friday, the ratings agency said a deal this week to reduce the nation's debt did not go far enough and exposed paralyzing political dysfunction.

The downgrade could cost the government and ordinary consumers billions of dollars by jacking up interest rates the U.S. must pay on its $14.4 trillion debt and a host of rates consumers pay for items such as mortgages, car loans and credit cards.

The move by S&P follows decisions by two other major ratings agencies, Moody's Investor Service and Fitch Ratings, to maintain the United States' AAA rating, though Moody's assigned a negative outlook.

In particular, Standard & Poor's added, it grew more pessimistic about U.S. debt because of the bitter political fight over raising the debt ceiling.

"The political brinksmanship of recent months," the company said, "highlights what we see as America's governance and policymaking becoming less stable, less effective, and less predictable than what we previously believed."

However, Standard and Poor has no credibility after rating junk mortgage back securities that lead to the collapse of the Economy and Financial system as grade A investment devices.

Stop repeating that nonsense you are distributed from the Conservative Network of Propaganda. The Down Grade was a direct result of the idiots in the Republican conference using the raising of the debt ceiling as a means to halt the little positive movement in the American economy that lead to Obama producing a climate to see more than 6 Million jobs created in the U.S private sector.

“Yeah, but...”

Since: Sep 11

MILKY WAY

#28 Dec 17, 2012
Eric Gustafson wrote:
<quoted text>
Standard & Poor lowered the rating because the Republican Majority in the House used the debt ceiling as a bargaining chip.
The rating agency said in essence that Washington is broken.
Pointing to "the gulf" between the political parties and how they used the debt ceiling as a "bargaining chip," leaving the United States "less stable, less effective."
"This is not really a serious way to run the country," Chambers said.
Wasn't it the Republicans idea to use the debt ceiling as a bargaining chip, exactly as they have currently broadcast to duplicate again in February?
Standard & Poor's Downgrades US Credit Rating From AAA to AA+
Aug. 5, 2011
For the first time ever, the United States lost its perfect credit rating as Standard & Poor's reduced its U.S. long-term debt assessment from AAA to AA+ with a negative outlook.
In announcing the move late Friday, the ratings agency said a deal this week to reduce the nation's debt did not go far enough and exposed paralyzing political dysfunction.
The downgrade could cost the government and ordinary consumers billions of dollars by jacking up interest rates the U.S. must pay on its $14.4 trillion debt and a host of rates consumers pay for items such as mortgages, car loans and credit cards.
The move by S&P follows decisions by two other major ratings agencies, Moody's Investor Service and Fitch Ratings, to maintain the United States' AAA rating, though Moody's assigned a negative outlook.
In particular, Standard & Poor's added, it grew more pessimistic about U.S. debt because of the bitter political fight over raising the debt ceiling.
"The political brinksmanship of recent months," the company said, "highlights what we see as America's governance and policymaking becoming less stable, less effective, and less predictable than what we previously believed."
However, Standard and Poor has no credibility after rating junk mortgage back securities that lead to the collapse of the Economy and Financial system as grade A investment devices.
Stop repeating that nonsense you are distributed from the Conservative Network of Propaganda. The Down Grade was a direct result of the idiots in the Republican conference using the raising of the debt ceiling as a means to halt the little positive movement in the American economy that lead to Obama producing a climate to see more than 6 Million jobs created in the U.S private sector.
The down grade occured because of the need to increase the debt ceiling, but why did hte debt ceiling ned to be increased? Why are we in the same situation now, having to decide how much to rasie the debt ceiling?

It's about unbridled spending. If our government representatives lived within OUR means, they would not need us to borrow over $3000 per capita each and every year. If it weren't for the fiscal conservatives, we'd be in even more debt. And if Obama has his way about removing the peoples' representatives from the discussion on how much we should be forced to pay, we'd be in even worse shape.

You can paint the picture any way you choose. You can use fine points and broad srokes. The result is the same: our credit rating was reduced because of increasing debt.
Eric Gustafson

Newport News, VA

#29 Dec 17, 2012
The debt ceiling needs to be raised to pay the obligations signed for by George Bush and the Republicans. We didn't have to raise the debt ceiling the last 4 years of the Bill Clinton Budget, we were paying down debt.

The Bush Tax increases, two wars, and the vast medicare prescription plan, drafted by the Pharmacy Industry has consequences that exist to this day. Couple those obligation with the continuing war cost, and the collapsed economy due mostly to no regulations over the markets and you have the perfect storm, reduced revenues and obligations from the Bush Administration make up more than 60% of the debt obligations that the credit ceiling has to cover.

This president can't spend without Congress approval, and this congress isn't and have not approved, without corresponding cuts any spending by this President.
SirPrize wrote:
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The down grade occured because of the need to increase the debt ceiling, but why did hte debt ceiling ned to be increased? Why are we in the same situation now, having to decide how much to rasie the debt ceiling?
It's about unbridled spending. If our government representatives lived within OUR means, they would not need us to borrow over $3000 per capita each and every year. If it weren't for the fiscal conservatives, we'd be in even more debt. And if Obama has his way about removing the peoples' representatives from the discussion on how much we should be forced to pay, we'd be in even worse shape.
You can paint the picture any way you choose. You can use fine points and broad srokes. The result is the same: our credit rating was reduced because of increasing debt.

“Yeah, but...”

Since: Sep 11

MILKY WAY

#30 Dec 17, 2012
Eric Gustafson wrote:
The debt ceiling needs to be raised to pay the obligations signed for by George Bush and the Republicans. We didn't have to raise the debt ceiling the last 4 years of the Bill Clinton Budget, we were paying down debt.
The Bush Tax increases, two wars, and the vast medicare prescription plan, drafted by the Pharmacy Industry has consequences that exist to this day. Couple those obligation with the continuing war cost, and the collapsed economy due mostly to no regulations over the markets and you have the perfect storm, reduced revenues and obligations from the Bush Administration make up more than 60% of the debt obligations that the credit ceiling has to cover.
This president can't spend without Congress approval, and this congress isn't and have not approved, without corresponding cuts any spending by this President.
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I see. It's Bush's fault.

I should have guessed that. Everything is Bush's fault, isn't it?
It's Bush's fault that the US credit rating was down-graded.
It's Bush's fault that Congress passed the Sequestration Transparency Act of 2012, four years after he left office.
It's Bush's fault that Congress passed the Gramm-Rudman-Hollings Deficit Reduction Act of 1985, 6 years before he took office.

I suppose it's also Bush's fault that that our Libyan Ambassador and three aides were murdered.
Eric Gustafson

Newport News, VA

#31 Dec 17, 2012
No, the Credit down grade is the Republican Majority fault for using the credit ceiling as a bargaining chip, the debt that needed paying down was due to the costly Bush initiatives signed with the Republican Majority in Congress.

Sequestration was a result of the Republicans using the credit ceiling as a bargaining chip, it's the program cuts they demanded.

Well you have to admit that refusal to regulate and provide oversight of wall street activities was not the smartest thing. How could an entire MBS index develop and exist without the Bush SEC knowing much about those activities and implement safe guards to protect investors and consumers.
SirPrize wrote:
<quoted text>
I see. It's Bush's fault.
I should have guessed that. Everything is Bush's fault, isn't it?
It's Bush's fault that the US credit rating was down-graded.
It's Bush's fault that Congress passed the Sequestration Transparency Act of 2012, four years after he left office.
It's Bush's fault that Congress passed the Gramm-Rudman-Hollings Deficit Reduction Act of 1985, 6 years before he took office.
I suppose it's also Bush's fault that that our Libyan Ambassador and three aides were murdered.

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