In southern La., residents blame levees for floods

Sep 4, 2012 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Bellingham Herald

However, the Corps has said it is unlikely scientific analysis will confirm that theory, suggested not only by locals, but by some of the state's most powerful politicians.

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if bush were in office, i think we know where the blame for levee failure would lie... .
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if bush were in office, i think we know where the blame for levee failure would lie....
Bush katrina + Obama Asiick!!! who wil bee a goood cheer leaders?! United Stupik of American"t'! ;-000
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GoodNewz wrote:
if bush were in office, i think we know where the blame for levee failure would lie....
VAer! wanna help here. www.fema.com ! or www.fema.gov
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Yep, it's Bush's fault.

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The Army Corps of Engineers blows almost as bad as public union teachers. They are both a big waste of taxpayer money and are both hot, steaming piles of dogshit.

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It is a question of land mass and water volume. The amount of water spread over the non-protected areas, diverted from the protectd area is miniscule, but it is there. Let us say, 1/8 inch?

How much better would these lowlands dwellers be without that extra 1/8"? They live, basically, in a swamp, on a deposited delta out in the sea. It is a prime hurricane area in a world where violent storms are increasing.

Would these complainers want a levee and pump ssystem over the whole delta?
Do they want to be Dutch?

Better to fill & close over all the canals, which allow the storm surge to penetrate deeply into the delta.

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GoodNewz wrote:
if bush were in office, i think we know where the blame for levee failure would lie....
When Bush was in office, he transferred money from the levees to finance his phony war in Iraq. He failed at both.

President Obama has made sure that this job was done.
This is not levee failure, it is failure of residents to build high enough in a flood zone. Bush has no blame on this one.
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Mr_Bill wrote:
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When Bush was in office, he transferred money from the levees to finance his phony war in Iraq. He failed at both.
President Obama has made sure that this job was done.
This is not levee failure, it is failure of residents to build high enough in a flood zone. Bush has no blame on this one.
...another ignorant remark from this rube!

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Mr_Bill wrote:
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When Bush was in office, he transferred money from the levees to finance his phony war in Iraq. He failed at both.
President Obama has made sure that this job was done.
This is not levee failure, it is failure of residents to build high enough in a flood zone. Bush has no blame on this one.
please share your source of that information about bush
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GoodNewz wrote:
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please share your source of that information about bush
...dont hold your breath...He can't produce a source to any of the bullshit he posts!...just another left wing nutjob

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Bush katrina + Obama Asiick!!! who wil bee a goood cheer leaders?! United Stupik of American"t'! ;-000
Cant stand to see a black man in the white house can you?

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The flooding south of New Orleans was not exactly the result of the levee system. In Plaquamines Parish, the River is leveed and the gulf is leveed.
The river was at a historicly low level. The storm surge from Isaac raised the river fast with gulf water. There was gulf water as far up the river as New Orleans, about 50 miles up river.
Because of the very low river and the very high surge, the parish flooded. It is a high risk area through there. New Orleans did not flood, and Plaquamines Parish will get more levee work and will not flood like that again either.

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Mr_Bill wrote:
no credible sources there. this is from the american society of civil engineers on Wiki:

A June 2007 report released by the American Society of Civil Engineers states that the failures of the locally built and federally funded levees in New Orleans were found to be primarily the result of system design flaws.[38] The US Army Corps of Engineers who by federal mandate is responsible for the conception, design and construction of the region's flood-control system failed to pay sufficient attention to public safety.

According to modeling and field observations by a team from Louisiana State University, the Mississippi River Gulf Outlet (MRGO), a 200-meter-wide (660-foot-wide) canal designed to provide a shortcut from New Orleans to the Gulf of Mexico, helped provide a funnel for the storm surge, making it 20% higher and 100%-200% faster as it crashed into the city. St. Bernard Parish, one of the more devastated areas, lies just south of the MRGO. The Corps of Engineers disputes this causality and maintains Katrina would have overwhelmed the levees with or without the contributing effect of the MRGO.[142] The water flowing west from the storm surge was perpendicular to MRGO, and thus the canal had a negligible effect.

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no credible sources there. this is from the american society of civil engineers on Wiki:
A June 2007 report released by the American Society of Civil Engineers states that the failures of the locally built and federally funded levees in New Orleans were found to be primarily the result of system design flaws.[38] The US Army Corps of Engineers who by federal mandate is responsible for the conception, design and construction of the region's flood-control system failed to pay sufficient attention to public safety.
According to modeling and field observations by a team from Louisiana State University, the Mississippi River Gulf Outlet (MRGO), a 200-meter-wide (660-foot-wide) canal designed to provide a shortcut from New Orleans to the Gulf of Mexico, helped provide a funnel for the storm surge, making it 20% higher and 100%-200% faster as it crashed into the city. St. Bernard Parish, one of the more devastated areas, lies just south of the MRGO. The Corps of Engineers disputes this causality and maintains Katrina would have overwhelmed the levees with or without the contributing effect of the MRGO.[142] The water flowing west from the storm surge was perpendicular to MRGO, and thus the canal had a negligible effect.
I do agree about the canals,(look bak up to my previous response,#6.)

But the fact remains, those existing defects were cataloged, and bugeted for, and that money was diverted. It would not have been allocated (one would hope) if there weren't known defects.

And, it was not the storm levees that failed, but the federal canal wall levees. I reject the end part of your statement as untrue.
And, it failed after the storm had passed.

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