Shelving climate bill makes sense

Shelving climate bill makes sense

There are 18 comments on the The Tribune story from Dec 30, 2009, titled Shelving climate bill makes sense. In it, The Tribune reports that:

A cap-and-trade program to curb greenhouse gas emissions and financially penalize businesses emitting them faces new opposition among moderate Senate Democrats, apparently worried about voter backlash in next year's election.

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“CO2 is Gaseous Love”

Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#1 Dec 30, 2009
Throwing the climate bill in the trash can makes more sense.
yup

Houston, TX

#2 Dec 30, 2009
I hope they will start taxing Martians sine the temperature of the surface of Mars has risen by exactly the 0.5c that has happened on earth since the 70s. I wonder if there is a trick to explain this indisputable fact?

“CO2 is Gaseous Love”

Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#3 Dec 31, 2009
Global warming is solved, President Obama outlawed climate change in Copenhagen. That will save us billions in new taxes, cut off the cash trough for Congress' crony pals in industry, and let us go about the business of finding more energy.

We need an energy policy that allows us to produce and use more energy and fuel.
Curtis Lowe

Montgomery, AL

#4 Dec 31, 2009
Arresting all scientist who faked data makes even more sense.

“CO2 is Gaseous Love”

Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#5 Dec 31, 2009
I wanted to say shit-canning the climate bill in the trash can makes more sense, but that might be too vulgar.
Sheila

Texarkana, TX

#7 Jan 7, 2010
Brian_G wrote:
I wanted to say shit-canning the climate bill in the trash can makes more sense, but that might be too vulgar.
Too late ,Bri.

Since: Aug 08

Bridgeville, PA

#8 Jan 7, 2010
Brian_G wrote:
Throwing the climate bill in the trash can makes more sense.
Throwing brian_g with his hi-skule deegreee in the trash makes.....much more sense.

Since: Aug 08

Bridgeville, PA

#9 Jan 7, 2010
Brian_G wrote:
I wanted to say shit-canning the climate bill in the trash can makes more sense, but that might be too vulgar.
But it would fit your alleged threatening, alleged stalking, intimidating, & some say, racist pig denier mentality. Specially, since all your mates in the pukey, proud racist pig and/or threatening, stalking, intimidator, denier brian_g 'ganghood' would cheer you.
Pokay1kaduB

Canton, OH

#10 Jan 7, 2010
yup wrote:
I hope they will start taxing Martians sine the temperature of the surface of Mars has risen by exactly the 0.5c that has happened on earth since the 70s. I wonder if there is a trick to explain this indisputable fact?
The first trick is that if there was some conspiracy among scientists and governments, they would have published a different result here so as not to rouse any denier-hair-brained ideas.

Second trick is that the martian atmosphere has increased its mass, mostly CO2, and we all know that CO2 is a GHG, so no wonder it caused further melting of the caps. Changes in orbit or increased dust storms could have led to these feedbacks as could the sun have, but without increasing GHGs neither planet would warm when the sun has been decreasing in intensity since 1975. And the sun has been unbelievably/unusually quiet since 2002. Any warming effects from the last solar cycle should have been realized by now yet we are still having above avrage temp years.
frank miller

United States

#11 Jan 8, 2010
Yeah I didn't realize that evolving regional global warming {Desertification}, and regional
global cooling {more freezing rains/snows} where we don't need them was Democratic/Republican/Inde-
pendent; atheist; agnostic or God fearing! To the whims of the majority; or the stupidity of the despotic few, who are more concerned about covering their arses, in November 2010, but don't
seem to give a damn about their children, and grandchilldren inheriting a Desertified arid Planet
if we don't stop exploiting rain-making & root soil cohesion Rainforests, in Africa/Madagascar
in the former case, with huge IMF/World Bank funds
to rescue displaced indigenous droughts afflicted, and disease ridden Africans who have to share
dry, cracked occasional rain water filled clay-mud
holes with also displaced huge wild life animals, and carrion birds, in the former GW desertifcation
instance, and in the latter more freezing rains/snows from extra heat island huge cities,
effect rising hot air, joining moist warm sub-tropical Brazilian for example 36 percent already Deforested, and dumping all that Atlantic ocean evaporations as freezing rains/snows when colliding with dry, cold Arctic air masses flowing South!!
Trees are cheap, as some U.S. organizations are
planting millions of saplings from the Great Lakes, to the Missisipi Delta, in a huge forest swath which will absorb photosynthesis 674 k.cal
per 6 carbon sugar to make more cellulose, and
rejuvenate the now very stressed Carbon Cycle, for the next 200 years of survival of both the human species, and displaced wild life, with us being the endangered species if we don't Reforest ASAP!
F.M.
hat will avsorb

“CO2 is Gaseous Love”

Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#12 Jan 8, 2010
Throw the climate bill in the trash, with the rest of the garbage. Our governments are spending money like it grows on trees.
frank miller

United States

#13 Jan 8, 2010
Actually 'Brian G #12 your alarmist paranoia, is really undermined by the fact that we already
have dedicated, non-legislated portion of Reforestation portion of C&T, under way with huge swaths of Forest replanting from the Great Lakes, to the Mississipi Delta, and Louisiana corridor; with 1 million trees already voluntarily partially planted in each Los Angeles, New York, Wisconsin, beginning about 2 years ago!
So with the Detroit accepted transportation equivalents heat/CO2 reductions to 35mpg CAFE by 2020/2024 that is 7 percent! Voluntary equivalent 'green jobs' Solar, Wind, Hydro, and limited Nuclear wattage/Bt.u./kilocalories joinig fossil fueled grids, thats another 7 percent heat/CO2 cuts by 2020/2024! There are the 14 %
cuts recommended by President Obamas' Energy conser
vation Cabinet!{All without legislations}~21%!!
The Rainforest stewarding Nations on October 20th 2009 pledged 'zero deforestations' thru 2020, for nay purpose including agriculture, at the World Forestry Congress, as well a sequestering 3861 sq. miles of Atlantic Argentina, Brazil, Paraguay
Iguazu Falls Rainforest! Thailand also got on board!
So Legislators you get credit for what?! Responsible
Energy executives will contribute tax deductible
IMF/World Bank funds to the tune of $100 billions
in 10 years {$10 billion a year}, as depletion allowances, so as not to pass on these levies to already strapped energy consumers, to help already
Desertified drought/soil erosion displaced peoples
from 1000 years of rain making Rainforest colonial deforestations!
See America always finds a way! Its just a matter of will, and good evolving non-denominational
utilaterian photochemical Science, Bran G, and others!
F.M.

in 1o years {10 billions a year}
frank miller

United States

#14 Jan 8, 2010
Corrections to my #13 post:"...New York, Wisconsin
{10 trees for everyone felled}, beginning about 1 to 2 years ago, so those are equivalent to 7% heat/CO2 cuts as photosynthesis Solar/MAN kind heat reactants absorptions, and very critical oxygen {O2}, and cooling water-vapor biproducts!

"...'net zero deforestations' thru 2020, for any purpose including agriculture/farming..."
"...utilitarian appealing photochemical Science.."
F.M.
Mr Giblets

Kidderminster, UK

#15 Jan 8, 2010
don't bother chummy, it still is quite meaningless. is it a sort of "modernistic" poem?
frank miller

United States

#16 Jan 8, 2010
Judging by your own loathsome selfish unsolicited
'peanut gallery' 2 liners, uneducated jealous/envious emotional language, quantifiers
are hard for you to grasp, hey 'Mr. Giblets, Tenbury Wells, UK #15? I know you think that you are the victim of some sort of Politically Incorrect faux pas breach of candor on the Internet! Yes indeed the once triumphant Free Speech movement has been replaced by attempts to impose official gag rules on all of us! Empowering lay technical people with specialized knowledge, is not really that victimizing when you put yourself on the other side of the fence, Mr. Giblets, and realize that voters want straight creative answers: not obfuscations, sophistries, nor equivocations to make up their own minds. And
smart executives, I think demand utilitarian quantifiers from their own staffs; so why not with this unparalleled forum., which I hope brings compassion as indeed there are genuine victims of misfortunes brought about by reckless Rainforests
depletion, throughout our Globalized competitive
search for the raw material of International
Commerce! We don't suspend the search for justice
in Social Issues, like alternative lifestyle rights, so why should we suspend evolving remedial GW/GC Science, just because it's vision requires a different vocabulary for implementation, Mr. Giblets #15??!!
F.M.

Since: Aug 08

Bridgeville, PA

#17 Jan 9, 2010
Brian_G wrote:
Throw the climate bill in the trash, with the rest of the garbage. Our governments are spending money like it grows on trees.
I always advocated saving your money. Become efficient, become frugal. Love saving energy money where you can.

Do not divorce yourself from the environment like euro & transplanted euros do. Love the ups & downs of outdoor temperatures. Many people love the outdoor vigor of natural hot & cold. I say incorporate such an attitude in-doors too.

I'm not saying turn your heat off in the winter & keep your a/c off in summer. But use them in moderation, that you may feel winter & summer while in-doors. Wear warmer clothes in-doors than normal, so you are not unduly chilly, but let your hands & lungs get used to cooler winter temperatures. Possibly, some people's respiratory problems occur because they are too artificially warm in the winter while in-doors.

Buying energy conserving small cars is a big boost to efficiency. Drive the SUVs when you have lots of people to transport. Drive small cars when only you or one passenger are transporting. Chevy Cobalts, the Ford Focus, Honda Fits, Toyota, Nissan Versa (an especially roomy rear seat for a smaller car) & Sentras, Hyundai Accents (big sales leap), Kia Rio(?) work well, the Dodge Caliber w/CVT is good for a larger car. Hybrids are coming on stronger......specially the 2010 Prius, Ford Fusion & Honda Hybrids. The new Volkswagen Golf EPA rated diesel is a real break-thru cleaner technology. Its Dual-Clutch 6 speed transmission is wonderful! CVT continuously variable transmissions are good too, except for their necessary high hydraulic pressures.

Yes, if people declared efficiency a high priority in their lives, the gov't wouldn't need to interfere. But that's right. brian_g doesn't think efficiency is a good policy........at least for oil companies. He might lose his job.
litesong

Everett, WA

#18 Aug 25, 2012
Blast from the Past:

Recommendations for efficiency.
litesong wrote:
I always advocated saving your money. Become efficient, become frugal. Love saving energy money where you can.
Do not divorce yourself from the environment like euro & transplanted euros do. Love the ups & downs of outdoor temperatures. Many people love the outdoor vigor of natural hot & cold. I say incorporate such an attitude in-doors too.
I'm not saying turn your heat off in the winter & keep your a/c off in summer. But use them in moderation, that you may feel winter & summer while in-doors. Wear warmer clothes in-doors than normal, so you are not unduly chilly, but let your hands & lungs get used to cooler winter temperatures. Possibly, some people's respiratory problems occur because they are too artificially warm in the winter while in-doors.
Buying energy conserving small cars is a big boost to efficiency. Drive the SUVs when you have lots of people to transport. Drive small cars when only you or one passenger are transporting. Chevy Cobalts, the Ford Focus, Honda Fits, Toyota, Nissan Versa (an especially roomy rear seat for a smaller car) & Sentras, Hyundai Accents (big sales leap), Kia Rio(?) work well, the Dodge Caliber w/CVT is good for a larger car. Hybrids are coming on stronger......specially the 2010 Prius, Ford Fusion & Honda Hybrids. The new Volkswagen Golf EPA rated diesel is a real break-thru cleaner technology. Its Dual-Clutch 6 speed transmission is wonderful! CVT continuously variable transmissions are good too, except for their necessary high hydraulic pressures.
Yes, if people declared efficiency a high priority in their lives, the gov't wouldn't need to interfere. But that's right. brian_g doesn't think efficiency is a good policy........at least for oil companies. He might lose his job.
Recent auto industry mpg increases to larger auto efficiencies have pleasingly become numerous.

A low tech approach was used by Hyundai in the Elantra, where it has the greatest shoulder room rear seat of ANY vehicle EPA rated at or above 40mpg on the highway. However, people purchasing the auto transmission complain the mpg isn't very good, altho the manual Elantra has been known to get highway 45 mpg. Other higher tech vehicles include the Chevy Eco Cruze with tiny 1.4 liter engine. A turbo-charger helps its acceleration at low rpms, but hard running or racing such a heavy car with the tiny engine will gain you expected large repair bills at the shop. The Cruze' exterior width is one inch wider than the Elantra, with one inch less rear seat shoulder room. Careful drivers can approach & pass 50mpg with this gasoline powered car! The newer Mazda 3 is considered a good handling car with fine mpg well in excess of 40mpg with careful driving. The plain $11,000 Nissan 2012 Versa sedan, bare-bones in many ways, drives OK with reliability & can average in the high thirties, exceeding well beyond 40mpg on the highway. People with point A to point B mentality are very pleased with it.

Please use 100% pure(ethanol-free) gasoline with all gasoline car engines, developed & designed to use 100% pure gasoline. EPA rates all gasoline engined cars sold in america with 100% pure gasoline. You should do the same. Engines run smoother, quieter, with less stumbling & with greater mpg.

Use ethanol in ethanol engines.

“CO2 is Gaseous Love”

Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#19 Aug 25, 2012
Ethanol is drive by starvation of the poor; it raises food prices, increases greenhouse gas production and entrenches welfare payments to inefficient fat-cat agribusinessmen.

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