NSA loophole allows warrantless search for US citizens' emails and phone calls

There are 14 comments on the Aug 10, 2013, www.theguardian.com story titled NSA loophole allows warrantless search for US citizens' emails and phone calls. In it, www.theguardian.com reports that:

The National Security Agency has a secret backdoor into its vast databases under a legal authority enabling it to search for US citizens' email and phone calls without a warrant, according to a top-secret document passed to the Guardian by Edward Snowden.

The intelligence data is being gathered under Section 702 of the of the Fisa Amendments Act (FAA), which gives the NSA authority to target without warrant the communications of foreign targets, who must be non-US citizens and outside the US at the point of collection.

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“Pink Ponies of Justice”

Since: Sep 07

Moscow, Russia

#1 Aug 10, 2013
The authority, approved in 2011, appears to contrast with repeated assurances from Barack Obama and senior intelligence officials to both Congress and the American public that the privacy of US citizens is protected from the NSA's dragnet surveillance programs.

Obama lied to Americans? What a surprise! LOL
conservative crapola

Allentown, PA

#2 Aug 10, 2013
House votes by Republicans to continue NSA surveillance program

a "no" vote was a vote to allow the program to continue.

ALABAMA
Republicans Aderholt, N Bonner, N; Brooks, N; Roby, N; Rogers, N.

ARIZONA
Republicans Franks, N

ARKANSAS
Republicans Cotton, N; Crawford, N; Womack, N.

CALIFORNIA
Republicans Calvert, N; Cook, N; Denham, N; Hunter, N; Issa, N; McCarthy, N; McKeon, N; Nunes, N; Royce, N; Valadao, N.

FLORIDA
Republicans Bilirakis, N; Crenshaw, N; Diaz-Balart, N; Miller, N; Rooney, N; Ros-Lehtinen, N; Webster, N; Young, N.

GEORGIA
Republicans Collins, N; Gingrey, N; Scott, Austin, N; Westmoreland, N; Woodall, N.

IDAHO
Republicans Simpson, N.

ILLINOIS
Republicans Kinzinger, N; Roskam, N; Shimkus, N.

INDIANA
Republicans Brooks, N; Bucshon, N; Messer, N; Stutzman, N; Walorski, N; Young, N.

IOWA
Republicans King, N; Latham, N.

KANSAS
Republicans Pompeo, N

LOUISIANA
Republicans Alexander, N; Boustany, N

MICHIGAN
Republicans Benishek, N; Camp, N; Miller, N; Rogers, N; Upton, N; Walberg, N.

MINNESOTA
Republicans Bachmann, N; Kline, N; Paulsen, N

MISSISSIPPI
Republicans Harper, N; Nunnelee, N; Palazzo, N.

MISSOURI
Republicans Graves, N; Hartzler, N; Long, N; Luetkemeyer, N; Wagner, N.

NEBRASKA
Republicans Fortenberry, N; Smith, N; Terry, N.

NEVADA
Republicans Heck, N.

NEW JERSEY
Republicans Frelinghuysen, N; Lance, N; LoBiondo, N; Runyan, N.

NEW YORK
Republicans Collins, N; Grimm, N; Hanna, N; King, N; Reed, N.

NORTH CAROLINA
Republicans Ellmers, N; Foxx, N; Holding, N; Hudson, N; Pittenger, N.

OHIO
Republicans Boehner, N; Gibbs, N; Joyce, N; Latta, N; Renacci, N; Stivers, N; Tiberi, N; Turner, N; Wenstrup, N.

OKLAHOMA
Republicans Cole, N; Lankford, N; Lucas, N.

OREGON
Republicans Walden, N

PENNSYLVANIA
Republicans Dent, N; Gerlach, N; Kelly, N; Marino, N; Meehan, N; Murphy, N; Pitts, N; Shuster, N.

SOUTH DAKOTA
Republicans Noem, N

TEXAS
Republicans Brady, N; Carter, N; Conaway, N; Culberson, N; Flores, N; Granger, N; Hensarling, N; Johnson, Sam, N; McCaul, N; Neugebauer, N; Olson, N; Sessions, N; Smith, N; Thornberry, N.

VIRGINIA
Republicans Cantor, N; Forbes, N; Goodlatte, N; Hurt, N; Rigell, N; Wittman, N; Wolf, N.

WASHINGTON
Republicans Hastings, N; Reichert, N.

WEST VIRGINIA
Republicans Capito, N; McKinley, N.

WISCONSIN
Republicans Ryan, N.

Canyor, Boehner, Bachmann, Ryan...hahahahahaha

“In the cockles of weirdness”

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#3 Aug 11, 2013
They can do all this and yet the Dept of Defense is hacked on a regular basis??

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013...
A Texas-based encrypted email service recently revealed to be used by Edward Snowden - Lavabit - announced yesterday it was shutting itself down in order to avoid complying with what it perceives as unjust secret US court orders to provide government access to its users' content. "After significant soul searching, I have decided to suspend operations," the company's founder, Ladar Levinson, wrote in a statement to users posted on the front page of its website. He said the US directive forced on his company "a difficult decision: to become complicit in crimes against the American people or walk away from nearly ten years of hard work by shutting down Lavabit." He chose the latter.

CNET's Declan McCullagh smartly speculates that Lavabit was served "with [a] federal court order to intercept users'(Snowden?) passwords" to allow ongoing monitoring of emails; specifically: "the order can also be to install FedGov-created malware." After challenging the order in district court and losing - all in a secret court proceeding, naturally - Lavabit shut itself down to avoid compliance while it appeals to the Fourth Circuit.

What is particularly creepy about the Lavabit self-shutdown is that the company is gagged by law even from discussing the legal challenges it has mounted and the court proceeding it has engaged. In other words, the American owner of the company believes his Constitutional rights and those of his customers are being violated by the US Government, but he is not allowed to talk about it. Just as is true for people who receive National Security Letters under the Patriot Act, Lavabit has been told that they would face serious criminal sanctions if they publicly discuss what is being done to their company. Thus we get hostage-message-sounding missives like this:

I wish that I could legally share with you the events that led to my decision. I cannot. I feel you deserve to know what's going on - the first amendment is supposed to guarantee me the freedom to speak out in situations like this. Unfortunately, Congress has passed laws that say otherwise. As things currently stand, I cannot share my experiences over the last six weeks, even though I have twice made the appropriate requests."

Does that sound like a message coming from a citizen of a healthy and free country? Secret courts issuing secret rulings invariably in favor of the US government that those most affected are barred by law from discussing? Is there anyone incapable at this point of seeing what the United States has become?
Cordwainer Trout

Lebanon, KY

#4 Aug 12, 2013
Snowden is a traitor. His father is an idiot.

Assange must be really satisfied, misleading a soldier to a point of treasonous behavior and jail time for the rest of his life. People are going to be really interested in being Assange's friend after he shows what he can do. These drugged, atheist anarchists should be hunted and tried just as any international criminal is. Assange is a terrorist and helps terrorists. There is no telling how many US lives Snowden has put in jeopardy, or because of him already dead.

Otherwise, people should not confuse the NSA data collection with the misuse of the IRS by Obama's activated cell structures. People should not confuse the NSA data collection and anti-terror efforts with Obama's henchmen harassing journalists. The NSA data collection and subsequent targeted investigations are the same type of national security procedures that have been used to thwart other highly threatening assaults and use of American pluralism against the American people, e.g. the widespread Nazi invasion of America with agents and provocateurs prior to the start of WWII. If the insane attacks by Communists against Joseph McCarthy's Senate investigations and Nixon/Kennedy's HUAC hadn't been allowed to dominate the American perception, FBI and similar investigations would have been able to intercept and stop many unAmerican activities ultimately proving McCarthy correct as to Soviet Bolshevik agents and sympathizers. The outrage against NSA activities is unjustified. Snowden's father doesn't have the courage to admit his son is a traitor and compromised years of investigations against actual enemies of America.

People need to discern the very big difference between Obama misusing the IRS and gay Federal agents of the FBI and actual international threats from vicious al Qaeda. Only through documentation of how deep the Obama Communist rabbit hole goes is there any chance of reversing the damage these more subtle enemies of America have done.
Cordwainer Trout

Lebanon, KY

#5 Aug 12, 2013
The Left in America has turned a huge segment of our population into druggies, recreants, liars, cheaters and thieves. All the doped up murderers of babies deserve everything they get and its a shame we have to maintain the ideal of protecting their sorry asses.

Since: Apr 13

Podolsk, Russia

#6 Aug 12, 2013
Cordwainer Trout wrote:
The Left in America has turned a huge segment of our population into druggies, recreants, liars, cheaters and thieves.
Which of those is you?

Since: Apr 08

Location hidden

#7 Aug 12, 2013
Russian Ubermensch wrote:
<quoted text>
Which of those is you?
Uh.........

“In the cockles of weirdness”

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#8 Aug 12, 2013
Cordwainer Trout wrote:
Snowden is a traitor. His father is an idiot.
Assange must be really satisfied, misleading a soldier to a point of treasonous behavior and jail time for the rest of his life.
Manning did that on his own. You excuse what he did by saying Assange "mislead" him.
Cordwainer Trout wrote:
Otherwise, people should not confuse the NSA data collection with the misuse of the IRS by Obama's activated cell structures.
I don't think anyone is concerned about government eavesdropping, even on citizens, if it helps keep us safe from terrorists.

The problem is what you just said - the MISUSE of the information that is collected. Supposedly, IRS employees aren't allowed to access *anyone's* tax information, especially for political reasons, but they obviously do.
So what's to stop one of these NSA workers from peeking at my information that they happened to pick up? What if I criticize the government and someone decides to take a look to see if they happen to have any of my emails or phone calls logged?

Since: Apr 13

Podolsk, Russia

#9 Aug 12, 2013
NSA is watching us.

They are currently reading this thread!

“In the cockles of weirdness”

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#10 Aug 12, 2013
Russian Ubermensch wrote:
NSA is watching us.
They are currently reading this thread!
Really??

Hello NSA! How are you today? Can you help us get rid of a psychopathic Polak? He hates America! And I think he is a terrorist.

Since: Apr 13

Podolsk, Russia

#11 Aug 12, 2013
-sunshine wrote:
<quoted text>Really??
Hello NSA! How are you today? Can you help us get rid of a psychopathic Polak? He hates America! And I think he is a terrorist.
Do you mean a sinister Polak Abe?

“In the cockles of weirdness”

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#13 Aug 12, 2013
Russian Ubermensch wrote:
<quoted text>
Do you mean a sinister Polak Abe?
LOL no. The other sinister Polak, the Dharma fake Canadian guy. He is a lot like Abe though! You can tell Limpy is only half Polish because he isn't as sneaky and doesn't twist words like Abe & Dharma who are true sinister, manipulative Polak psychopaths.
Lamer

Hopkins, MN

#14 Aug 12, 2013
So i guess all the nay sayers are going to be coming as usual to tell us how the NSA doesnt spy on average americans? Only "terrorists"? Going to come and tell us how its not our communicatoins that are being recorded, only bad people's?

Seems to look like the cat is out of the bag and they are indeed collecting yours and mine. Or the 3 hops of tracking a "target's cell".

3 hops from the target, so you have the target then the first hop is anyone the target has contacted or anyone whom has contacted the target.

Hop 2 is all those people and who they contacted and who contact them.

Hop 3 is now all the people from hop 2 and the people they contact or whom contacted them.

With 1 target and these 3 hops, that can be upwards of 1000s if not tens of 1000s of people....all for 1 target...

Welcome to your police state.
Swedenforever

United States

#15 Nov 4, 2014
No sirprise here

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