Crackdown turns Chipotle boss into immigration-reform advocate

Full story: Denver Post

A government crackdown that found Chipotle Mexican Grill had hired hundreds of undocumented workers has turned Monty Moran, the burrito chain's co-leader, into an unlikely champion of immigration overhaul.
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NYC

Newark, NJ

#89 Dec 21, 2011
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What a load of bullshit and blatant dishonesty.
The point is SB 1070 like laws should be enforced nationwide, your use of that argument is a pathetic case of logical fallacy.
Obviously there are areas where we have a competitive disadvantage, that's unavoidable in a global economy.
That doesn't mean we automatically stop producing or hiring in any of those fields. We don't import 100% of our farm goods you idiot.
The % of the demand filled for domestic consumption is easily competitive within the states as long as all states follow the same federal guidelines. The problem is the powerful corporate lobbyists and their corrupt politician cronies have handicapped our federal enforcement so much that we would even need state level legislation like this.
FAMINE in the US is a very real possiblity if a solution to this illegals/farmers political issue is not found. If prices are forced up state by farming state (Alabama now, other states to follow) and companies (always about the bottom line) start importing cheaper 'goods' from other countries, we could end up no longer producing the majority of our own food. We already import 32% of our fruits and 13% of our vegetables. If a natural disaster, war or world crisis or food crisis occured, the countries we import our food supplies from would feed their own populations first and we would have a massive food shortage on a scale the US has never experienced. I don't mean to sound like an alarmist, but this situation could have far-reaching negative consequences down the road, if we started to depend on other countries for an even larger supply of our food. It would not be a good idea and the thought of it is scary. I agree with everything Whats ina Name posted. The reality of big business is about pleasing investors and board of directors, with no concern about negative chain reactions (sub-prime, derivatives, recession anyone?)...and politicians have no clue about the side-effects from their myopic policies. I agree with a lot of posters that immigration laws should be enforced, where it concerns construction, landscaping etc. But, when it comes to farming and leaving farmers in a crisis that will result in scaling back or even going under and companies importing, some serious brainstorming and viable solutions (not blanket policy) need to be considered by our govt. Many companies outscource to save money, let's not let that happen with our food also. We need to be our own food source!
Okay. You're angry. I get that. Really. But come back to earth. The American standard of living really has raised to a level where we are not willing to pick strawberries or lettuce at any price. It's HARD WORK! Very hard work.
You could unionize it and that would be great. But almost all of your members f that union would be Mexican immigrants who (I would hope) have some legal work permit to be here.

I love strawberries, grapes, lettuce, melons and all sorts of stuff that, even during a depression like we're feeling now, we can't get American citizens to pick AT ANY PRICE. These "illegals" are being paid VERY WELL right now to do these jobs because no one else will do the work. They just won't. The work is too hard.
NYC

Newark, NJ

#90 Dec 21, 2011
FAMINE in the US is a very real possiblity if a solution to this illegals/farmers political issue is not found. If prices are forced up state by farming state (Alabama now, other states to follow) and companies (always about the bottom line) start importing cheaper 'goods' from other countries, we could end up no longer producing the majority of our own food. We already import 32% of our fruits and 13% of our vegetables. If a natural disaster, war or world crisis or food crisis occured, the countries we import our food supplies from would feed their own populations first and we would have a massive food shortage on a scale the US has never experienced. I don't mean to sound like an alarmist, but this situation could have far-reaching negative consequences down the road, if we started to depend on other countries for an even larger supply of our food. It would not be a good idea and the thought of it is scary. I agree with everything Whats ina Name posted. The reality of big business is about pleasing investors and board of directors, with no concern about negative chain reactions (sub-prime, derivatives, recession anyone?)...and politicians have no clue about the side-effects from their myopic policies. I agree with a lot of posters that immigration laws should be enforced, where it concerns construction, landscaping etc. But, when it comes to farming and leaving farmers in a crisis that will result in scaling back or even going under and companies importing, some serious brainstorming and viable solutions (not blanket policy) need to be considered by our govt. Many companies outscource to save money, let's not let that happen with our food also. We need to be our own food source!
Okay. You're angry. I get that. Really. But come back to earth. The American standard of living really has raised to a level where we are not willing to pick strawberries or lettuce at any price. It's HARD WORK! Very hard work.
You could unionize it and that would be great. But almost all of your members f that union would be Mexican immigrants who (I would hope) have some legal work permit to be here.

I love strawberries, grapes, lettuce, melons and all sorts of stuff that, even during a depression like we're feeling now, we can't get American citizens to pick AT ANY PRICE. These "illegals" are being paid VERY WELL right now to do these jobs because no one else will do the work. They just won't. The work is too hard.
NYC

Newark, NJ

#91 Dec 21, 2011
Contribution wrote:
<quoted text>
What a load of bullshit and blatant dishonesty.
The point is SB 1070 like laws should be enforced nationwide, your use of that argument is a pathetic case of logical fallacy.
Obviously there are areas where we have a competitive disadvantage, that's unavoidable in a global economy.
That doesn't mean we automatically stop producing or hiring in any of those fields. We don't import 100% of our farm goods you idiot.
The % of the demand filled for domestic consumption is easily competitive within the states as long as all states follow the same federal guidelines. The problem is the powerful corporate lobbyists and their corrupt politician cronies have handicapped our federal enforcement so much that we would even need state level legislation like this.
Harvesting is piece work, not hourly waged work. Laborers are paid based on how much they produce, you know, pay for performance. If you want to earn the $16 an hour that the undocumented laborer gets then perform at his level. I seriously doubt any of you critics are ready to go out into the fields and work for a living. I've done it. It is hard work. harder than any American I know is willing to perform. Why do you think migratory workers have come to the US since the 1940 to work the harvests???
davy

Albuquerque, NM

#94 Dec 21, 2011
They have tried this in Georgia and Alabama. It has put farmers out of business because they cannot get anyone to pick the crops for a price that will allow them to make a profit. American's don't want to do the work, it is too hard. I can get you a job picking chile if you are interested. Backbreaking work for low wages.
Contribution wrote:
<quoted text>
What a load of bullshit and blatant dishonesty.
The point is SB 1070 like laws should be enforced nationwide, your use of that argument is a pathetic case of logical fallacy.
Obviously there are areas where we have a competitive disadvantage, that's unavoidable in a global economy.
That doesn't mean we automatically stop producing or hiring in any of those fields. We don't import 100% of our farm goods you idiot.
The % of the demand filled for domestic consumption is easily competitive within the states as long as all states follow the same federal guidelines. The problem is the powerful corporate lobbyists and their corrupt politician cronies have handicapped our federal enforcement so much that we would even need state level legislation like this.
Contribution

Saint Paul, MN

#98 Dec 22, 2011
davy wrote:
They have tried this in Georgia and Alabama. It has put farmers out of business because they cannot get anyone to pick the crops for a price that will allow them to make a profit. American's don't want to do the work, it is too hard. I can get you a job picking chile if you are interested. Backbreaking work for low wages.
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You still don't seem to get the point. The point is the demand and prices for goods would be higher if the wages weren't so articially depressed by influx of illegal labor.

Unless you advocate we degrade into a third world country there's no way we can compete against third world manual labor wages, and hiring illegals is just a cop out and a way for criminal businesses to make a profit illegally.

The point is you focus on competing globally in fields you have an advantage in, not on every single aspect.
Dee Dee Dee

Emmaus, PA

#99 Dec 22, 2011
davy wrote:
They have tried this in Georgia and Alabama. It has put farmers out of business because they cannot get anyone to pick the crops for a price that will allow them to make a profit. American's don't want to do the work, it is too hard. I can get you a job picking chile if you are interested. Backbreaking work for low wages.
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Please post a link that names even one farm that has gone out of business in Georga or Alabama. Don't bother to post stories about a farmer complaining about not being able to exploit illegal aliens, just proof that even one farm has actually gone out of business.

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