2012: The evangelical vote

2012: The evangelical vote

There are 19 comments on the firstread.msnbc.msn.com story from Dec 19, 2011, titled 2012: The evangelical vote. In it, firstread.msnbc.msn.com reports that:

The Washington Post writes that Iowa evangelical voters don’t have an easy decision in front of them. “They are trying to decide if moral fiber is more important than religious affiliation, if the right relationship with Jesus Christ trumps the right portfolio to defeat President Obama, and if Mormonism is to be regarded with more suspicion than the Catholicism that many evangelicals have come to tolerate.”

John Harwood, writing in the New York Times, notes that Romney and Gingrich “have not leaned as far right on policy as their rhetoric might suggest. On core issues concerning the relationship between government and average Americans — taxes, Medicare, Social Security, even immigration — each has preserved routes back toward the political middle for the general election.”

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“Tea parties R 4 little girls.”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#1 Dec 19, 2011
Who cares what religion someone is. That should be a private matter anyways. Stick to the issues.
Lance Winslow

United States

#2 Dec 19, 2011
Jim Trebowski wrote:
Who cares what religion someone is. That should be a private matter anyways. Stick to the issues.
Tough choice for evangelicals: a Mormon, serial divorcee, and there never have been any issues.

“It's a Brand New Day”

Since: Feb 06

New Rochelle

#3 Dec 19, 2011
Jim Trebowski wrote:
Who cares what religion someone is. That should be a private matter anyways. Stick to the issues.
The theocratic majority in Iowa, apparently.
They tell a lie every time they say the "Pledge of Allegiance."
tom

Owatonna, MN

#4 Dec 19, 2011
Religious people will always vote for someone who will take away other peoples freedom and equality. They also want our nation to spend trillions at war and on nation building. So they will not vote for a real true conservative like Ron Paul.

Since: Dec 07

Clermont, Florida

#5 Dec 19, 2011
While I don't agree with the Mormon religion, I haven't noticed Mitt Romney preaching his religion on the campaign trail. I do know Mormons are generally caring about their fellowman, particularly taking care of their own church members. They're not big on tax based welfare programs. They generally have high morals. And Mitt Romney has an excellent business/economic record. I do not have a problem voting for him in the least little bit and I find it quite hypocritical of those who get all warm and fuzzy with Newt after condemning him back in the day. I still won't trust him after he went after Clinton so frantically while he was doing as bad or worse.

Since: Dec 07

Clermont, Florida

#6 Dec 19, 2011
tom wrote:
Religious people will always vote for someone who will take away other peoples freedom and equality. They also want our nation to spend trillions at war and on nation building. So they will not vote for a real true conservative like Ron Paul.
Ya' know, Ron Paul has some right ideas and he was sounding pretty good to me in a couple of debates. But he sounded like a lunatic in this last one. While I don't think we should be into "nation building" or overthrowing every dictator in the world, there are times when our participation is needed. And when it is, I want someone in the WH with a logical and diplomatic head on his/her shoulders.
tom

Owatonna, MN

#7 Dec 19, 2011
Dismayed wrote:
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Ya' know, Ron Paul has some right ideas and he was sounding pretty good to me in a couple of debates. But he sounded like a lunatic in this last one. While I don't think we should be into "nation building" or overthrowing every dictator in the world, there are times when our participation is needed. And when it is, I want someone in the WH with a logical and diplomatic head on his/her shoulders.
Unless attacked we should not get involved....So says our constitution....I know fascist in the GOP main stream hate that.
ABN Ortiz

Naperville, IL

#8 Dec 19, 2011
The evangelical vote don't mean as much anymore. They are not cut out to be what they claim. Around my nieghborhood, I have a friend that for many years walked the wrong side of town. He has joined one of those churches becuase his wife has been in one. I for one am glad that he is now out of one bad life style, but now I am looking at some changes in him for the worst. He critise other religions and think that anyting the republicans put out is the truth. When proven wrong he goes away for a long time only to come back and get proven wrong again. I have been invited and met some sinners, but all I've met were jailbirds crying out amen and god be with you and many other saying not of the heart. I found several still doing wrong and crying out how holy they are at the same time. Getting the alderman to bend to their adjenda and getting job influence for their people. In other words they are no more holier that thou! FK them!
Jeebus Fricassee

Philadelphia, PA

#9 Dec 19, 2011
ABN Ortiz wrote:
The evangelical vote don't mean as much anymore. They are not cut out to be what they claim.
I think they're incredibly important in most of these early, R. primaries.

I'm not sure how many of them accept that the earth is more than 10000 years old, but that's part of what them so important in the nutty process.
Yo Emper

Indianapolis, IN

#11 Dec 19, 2011
Jim Trebowski wrote:
Who cares what religion someone is. That should be a private matter anyways. Stick to the issues.
One Nation Under Goooooooooood so yo Emper Cain pee on U Jim ;-0
zimba

Crozet, VA

#12 Dec 19, 2011
other than ron paul, evangelicals would be voting for the other satanist idiots
Jesus didnt lay down laws and for evans to do so would be like shiria law

“It's a Brand New Day”

Since: Feb 06

New Rochelle

#13 Dec 20, 2011
tom wrote:
Religious people will always vote for someone who will take away other peoples freedom and equality. They also want our nation to spend trillions at war and on nation building. So they will not vote for a real true conservative like Ron Paul.
Not true.
Only zealots and theocrats do that.

“It's a Brand New Day”

Since: Feb 06

New Rochelle

#14 Dec 20, 2011
ABN Ortiz wrote:
The evangelical vote don't mean as much anymore. They are not cut out to be what they claim. Around my nieghborhood, I have a friend that for many years walked the wrong side of town. He has joined one of those churches becuase his wife has been in one. I for one am glad that he is now out of one bad life style, but now I am looking at some changes in him for the worst. He critise other religions and think that anyting the republicans put out is the truth. When proven wrong he goes away for a long time only to come back and get proven wrong again. I have been invited and met some sinners, but all I've met were jailbirds crying out amen and god be with you and many other saying not of the heart. I found several still doing wrong and crying out how holy they are at the same time. Getting the alderman to bend to their adjenda and getting job influence for their people. In other words they are no more holier that thou! FK them!
Interesting.

Mr_Bill has never been "born again" because he has never been evil.

Much of this is a crutch.
Some people find inspiration in religion. Others find a crutch. Either way, it is a good.

The 'holier than thou' attitude is especially prevalient in ex-dope addicts. I smile and tolerate it, because they truly do have something to be proud of.

It is exasperasting when you clearly explain your impecable position to a zealot; and it goes in one ear and out the other.
Your friend is a simpleton, and if he is in thrall of a religion that believes that the republicans are doing God's work, he is actually worshipping Satan, the Great Liar.
WARN HIM.
Independant Voter

Miami, FL

#15 Dec 20, 2011
I'm still waiting for the Socially Liberal/Fiscally Conservative candidate or party to show up.

It is possible to dislike wealth redistribution and welfare-state policies while at the same time wanting the separation of church and state and leaving people to live their own personal lives without government interference.

“Tea parties R 4 little girls.”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#16 Dec 20, 2011
Independant Voter wrote:
I'm still waiting for the Socially Liberal/Fiscally Conservative candidate or party to show up.
It is possible to dislike wealth redistribution and welfare-state policies while at the same time wanting the separation of church and state and leaving people to live their own personal lives without government interference.
I'm with you on the Socially Liberal platform, but don't you think you're going overboard with the whole "wealth distribution" thing? Is'nt ti "wealth distribution" when corporate lobbyists get bills, policies, and lwas passed that favor the wealthy?(oh, and please...ask me "which ones..I dare you..lol...please)

“Tea parties R 4 little girls.”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#17 Dec 20, 2011
sigh.."lwas"="l aws".

“Tea parties R 4 little girls.”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#18 Dec 20, 2011
LAWS
rider

Marquette, MI

#19 Dec 21, 2011
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Marquette, MI

#21 Dec 21, 2011
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