Reid steps up fight with Koch 'oil ba...

Reid steps up fight with Koch 'oil barons' over Republican funding

There are 63 comments on the Reuters story from Mar 13, 2014, titled Reid steps up fight with Koch 'oil barons' over Republican funding. In it, Reuters reports that:

Democratic senate leader Harry Reid delivered his latest attack on billionaire industrialists Charles and David Koch, saying they were trying to buy the American political system by funding conservative and libertarian candidates in midterm elections.

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Since: Mar 09

The Left Coast

#2 Mar 13, 2014
Harry 'the chicken ranch' Reid wants to fight? Go Harry Go.
Cat74

Bolingbrook, IL

#3 Mar 13, 2014
The Koch Brothers don't know Reid is alive. They are on a level so far above the likes of a putrid politician.
senior citizen

Granite City, IL

#4 Mar 14, 2014
Cat74 wrote:
The Koch Brothers don't know Reid is alive. They are on a level so far above the likes of a putrid politician.
Good post - I agree.
Your Ex

United States

#5 Mar 14, 2014
Cat74 wrote:
The Koch Brothers don't know Reid is alive. They are on a level so far above the likes of a putrid politician.
True that. I hear Satan comes to them for advice.
conservative crapola

“Hicksville Hootenanny”

Since: Sep 13

Kornfield Kounty

#6 Mar 14, 2014
They did a great job buying the Presidency for rugby...oops.
Cat74

Lisle, IL

#7 Mar 14, 2014
Can't buy Republican votes. Their voters are too moral, and principled. Democrats can be bought for $5 bucks, and a baloney sandwich.

“JESUS WOULD IMPEACH THE GOP!!!”

Since: May 09

Lake Success, N.Y.

#9 Mar 14, 2014
Cat74 wrote:
Can't buy Republican votes. Their voters are too moral, and principled. Democrats can be bought for $5 bucks, and a baloney sandwich.
Citizens United insured people like the Koch Brothers can influence votes by unlimited spending you moron. So blinded you can't see? Republican groups out to get Hillary Clinton filed this lawsuit in 2008 you moron / fake teacher!

"IN JANUARY 2008, James Bopp got laughed out of court—literally. The white-haired lawyer from Terre Haute, Indiana, was appearing before a federal three-judge panel in Washington, DC, to argue that his client, a small conservative nonprofit named Citizens United, should be able to air Hillary: The Movie on on-demand TV during the Democratic presidential primaries. Citizens United had produced the film to show that Hillary Clinton was a "European socialist" and ruthless political schemer—a cross between Machiavelli and Lady Macbeth who "looks good in a pantsuit," as Ann Coulter put it in the movie. Also featured was Kathleen Willey, who accused Bill Clinton of hugging and kissing her in the White House—and who suggested in the film that Clinton had helped hatch a plot to assassinate her cat.

The Federal Election Commission (FEC) told Citizens United that it couldn't air or advertise the film during primary season, because it amounted to a 90-minute campaign ad that didn't identify who'd paid for it. In court, Bopp argued that the movie wasn't so different from what you'd see on 60 Minutes, and its creators deserved First Amendment protections."

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2011/03/j...

Republicans engineered the purchase of votes stupid!

A fake teacher that has no concept of what a Plutocracy is?

Since: Oct 08

Alpharetta, GA

#10 Mar 14, 2014
libs sure fear these guys, all they do is sell toilet paper and tampons...it's not like they are former Nazi collaborators, like their hero George Soros
Responsibility

Petaluma, CA

#11 Mar 14, 2014
Cat74 wrote:
Can't buy Republican votes. h.
You boys don't seem to be able to give them away either! Loll

“JESUS WOULD IMPEACH THE GOP!!!”

Since: May 09

Lake Success, N.Y.

#12 Mar 14, 2014
inbred Genius wrote:
libs sure fear these guys, all they do is sell toilet paper and tampons...it's not like they are former Nazi collaborators, like their hero George Soros
The Citizens United ruling applies to everyone on either side of the isle. This is nothing more than Supreme Court sponsored Plutocracy.

Were the roles reversed, and democrats had this type of unlimited mioney pumped in from all over the country, you would be yelling too.

And I would still stand by your side and agree with you that unlimited outside funding without having to even disclose where the source came from is illegal.

This thing stinks IG, and I think you know that. It undermines over 100 years of federal election laws.

Since: Oct 08

Alpharetta, GA

#13 Mar 14, 2014
TonyT1961 wrote:
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The Citizens United ruling applies to everyone on either side of the isle. This is nothing more than Supreme Court sponsored Plutocracy.
Were the roles reversed, and democrats had this type of unlimited mioney pumped in from all over the country, you would be yelling too.
And I would still stand by your side and agree with you that unlimited outside funding without having to even disclose where the source came from is illegal.
This thing stinks IG, and I think you know that. It undermines over 100 years of federal election laws.
that's what the jews that he helped kill in WW2 would have said.

“JESUS WOULD IMPEACH THE GOP!!!”

Since: May 09

Lake Success, N.Y.

#14 Mar 14, 2014
inbred Genius wrote:
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that's what the jews that he helped kill in WW2 would have said.
WTF????

Have you lost your mind?

Since: Oct 08

Alpharetta, GA

#15 Mar 14, 2014
TonyT1961 wrote:
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WTF????
Have you lost your mind?
you didn't know Soros collaborated with the Nazis in WW2? Google him or wiki, and read up on his history.

“THE LEFT IS ATTEMPTING A COUP”

Since: May 11

Location hidden

#16 Mar 14, 2014
And he says NOTHING about GEORGE SOROS?!! GEORGE SOROS has put more money into the liberal agenda the Koch brothers could hope to!

“JESUS WOULD IMPEACH THE GOP!!!”

Since: May 09

Lake Success, N.Y.

#20 Mar 14, 2014
inbred Genius wrote:
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you didn't know Soros collaborated with the Nazis in WW2? Google him or wiki, and read up on his history.
Did my post have anything whatsoever to do with what you're alluding to though?
senior citizen

Granite City, IL

#23 Mar 14, 2014
foster wrote:
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You're likely to sell your vote for a Fifth of Rum or less
GOP people do not sell votes - only the Dems buy votes or have the dead to vote or vote twice or vote for all family members and have them vote also then it gets put on youtube.

kuda

Cincinnati, OH

#24 Mar 14, 2014
foster wrote:
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Bush's granddaddy was a Nazi collaborator. Prescott Bush, he was their money man here.
Summarzed from Wikipedia:
George Soros was born in Budapest, Hungary, to a Jewish family. When he was thirteen years old in March 1944, Nazi occupied Hungary. He was told to go to the Jewish Council, which was established during the Nazi occupation and asked young children to hand out deportation notices. He was told to report to the rabbi seminary and was given a list of names that he took to his father who instantly recognized it as a list of Hungarian Jewish lawyers. His father told him to deliver the slips of paper to the people on the list and tell them that they would be deported if they reported.

George Soros did not participate in the Nazi genocide. He was an innocent Jewish child who, with proper moral guidance be his father, warned fellow Jews of the Nazi ploy.

Shame on anyone who would falsely accuse George Soros of murder! That’s carrying personal hatred way too far.
senior citizen

Granite City, IL

#25 Mar 14, 2014
REID is at it again - now I know why he is trying to push the Koch brothers to cover up some more of his crap:
The FBI and Utah state prosecutors working on a corruption investigation say they have uncovered accusations of financial wrongdoing by Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and GOP Sen. Mike Lee, but the Justice Department has so far declined to act on their recommendation for a full federal investigation.
Two district attorneys, one Democrat and one Republican, told The Washington Times, ABC News, and The Salt Lake Tribune this week that they have found evidence of possible financial wrongdoing by the lawmakers relating to suspect campaign contributions and other financial transactions.
"There are allegations, but they are very serious allegations and they need to be looked at by somebody," Sim Gill, a Democrat and chief prosecutor in Salt Lake County, told The Washington Times. "If true, or even if asserted, they truly should be investigated and put to rest, or be confirmed."
"The current voluminous investigation into various state officials, associates or surrogates is not yet complete." Davis County District Attorney Troy Rawlings told Newsmax, "It is our hope that the DOJ will re-engage related to any potential federal aspects of this case. However, we will not ignore potential state ramifications that may present. Sometimes investigations clear / exonerate individuals as well."
And Gill told the Tribune, "We cannot fully do justice to the things we’re coming across. It clearly raises concerns that can only be addressed — either to confirm [the allegations] or to put them to rest — by other entities."
Reid and Lee both have ties to the online poker world, the reports say, and the investigation is looking at whether both or either politician sought or received money or other benefits from donors, fundraisers, or both in connection with doing political favors or taking official actions, according to the Times.
senior citizen

Granite City, IL

#26 Mar 14, 2014
cont:

Jeremy Johnson, an official at a St. George, Utah, bank that processes hundreds of millions of dollars for one of the world's largest online poker companies, said he and others started arranging tens of thousands of dollars in contributions to state and federal political campaigns, including Reid's, ABC News reported.
Johnson claims he was instructed by online poker figures to hide illegal contributions to the campaigns of Reid and Lee in 2010 by finding "straw donors" who were reimbursed from poker accounts in the bank for money they supposedly contributed.
He also claimed that online poker industry officials hosted a fundraiser for Reid at which he promised to introduce federal legislation to legalize online poker if he was re-elected, which he ultimately did, even though he had had a longstanding public opposition to the legalization of Internet poker. Reid's aides dispute there was any link in the timing of when Reid shifted his position on the matter, according to The Times.
ABC calls Johnson a "controversial figure" who is awaiting trial on 86 internet fraud charges alleging he scammed consumers out of millions of dollars.
Prosecutors are also looking at whether Lee provided accurate information when he bought, then sold a Utah home to a campaign contributor and federal contractor, leaving his mortgage bank to absorb large losses, the Times reported.
The FBI and state investigators have collected more than 100,000 bank records, emails, and other documents and interviewed more than 200 witnesses as part of the bipartisan probe, ABC News reports.
People familiar with the probe told the Times that the FBI and local investigators have been frustrated for months by the Justice Department's inaction on the matter, and the concerns were recently escalated to FBI headquarters.
The concerns have also prompted discussions about whether to seek a special prosecutor who would bypass the Justice Department and U.S. attorney's office and look at the evidence independently. In the meantime, the FBI cannot use a federal grand jury to gather evidence without the permission of the Justice Department or a special prosecutor.
"In this case, DOJ risks creating the perception of a cover-up rather than let agents use the normal tools and follow the evidence wherever it leads — a Republican, Democrat, Senate or not," a senior FBI official based in Washington told the Times.
The evidence that was uncovered came out during an investigation focused on former Utah GOP Attorney General John Swallow and state officials, which continue to be the focus of the case, according to ABC News. But the prospectors said they may be forced to consider expanding it to include issues on the federal level if the Justice Department doesn't step in.
"If somebody commits crimes and there's a nexus to the state of Utah and we can prove it beyond a reasonable doubt, it doesn't matter who they are," Rawlings told ABC News. "Even a U.S. senator. And no, we're not afraid of that. That's our job."
Reid's spokesman, Adam Jentleson, called the statements by the district attorneys "a publicity stunt" and said Reid "has never been contacted in regards to this investigation." He also said the questions about the investigation submitted by ABC News were "nothing but a fever-brained witch hunt."
Lee's office also said he had not been contacted about the investigation by the prosecutor's office or the FBI.
senior citizen

Granite City, IL

#27 Mar 14, 2014
Now we know why Reid is knocking the Koch brothers - to take the heat off of himself:

The FBI and Utah state prosecutors working on a corruption investigation say they have uncovered accusations of financial wrongdoing by Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and GOP Sen. Mike Lee, but the Justice Department has so far declined to act on their recommendation for a full federal investigation.

Two district attorneys, one Democrat and one Republican, told The Washington Times, ABC News, and The Salt Lake Tribune this week that they have found evidence of possible financial wrongdoing by the lawmakers relating to suspect campaign contributions and other financial transactions.

"There are allegations, but they are very serious allegations and they need to be looked at by somebody," Sim Gill, a Democrat and chief prosecutor in Salt Lake County, told The Washington Times. "If true, or even if asserted, they truly should be investigated and put to rest, or be confirmed."

"The current voluminous investigation into various state officials, associates or surrogates is not yet complete." Davis County District Attorney Troy Rawlings told Newsmax, "It is our hope that the DOJ will re-engage related to any potential federal aspects of this case. However, we will not ignore potential state ramifications that may present. Sometimes investigations clear / exonerate individuals as well."

And Gill told the Tribune, "We cannot fully do justice to the things we’re coming across. It clearly raises concerns that can only be addressed — either to confirm [the allegations] or to put them to rest — by other entities."

Reid and Lee both have ties to the online poker world, the reports say, and the investigation is looking at whether both or either politician sought or received money or other benefits from donors, fundraisers, or both in connection with doing political favors or taking official actions, according to the Times.

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