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What's worse than health care overhaul? No changes

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“Allcladrad”

Since: Jan 10

Trang, Thailand

#474 May 1, 2010
BHO is less than truthful, he speaks like a true politician.

The beauty of VAT style taxing is that it is applied at every point in the process where value is added to the product. The more hands it passes through the more tax that is generated. That means of course that everything subject to the VAT will cost a great deal more.

Poor people buy stuff too, so yes, they will be taxed, but a VAT gives the politicians an out.

There is no way to spend more than we make to sustain our life style. Yet that is the message that is being sent. Buying health insurance for 34 million people without raising taxes is a myth. Like so many other Washington myths, why to many of us buy into and support them.

We spend too much time looking for others to blame for our irresponsible spending behavior, partisan voting habits and just plain too lazy to get involved attitude.

“Question everything.”

Since: Jan 07

Lookingglass Land

#475 May 16, 2010
liz wrote:
I can't express how happy I am that YOU and OBAma
got what you want.. The almighty HCB Passed and
it now comes to light, ITS going to cost mega
billions and YOU are going to pay. Those who
told you it would was trashed as fools (BY YOU)..
If it cost all I have to see YOU eat your words
and pay, it will make my day. How you could have
been so s----d to think and believe these sneaking
liars, is amazing, but thru it all and to the end,
you fell for it. Now pay.
And did you worry about the budget when W started his unnecessary war in Iraq? That's what put us in debt to the Chinese in a big way. Neocons are laughing up their sleeves at the mess they've made of our federal budget and economy. They have no use for most Americans, couldn't care less if anyone but their families gets health care. They wanted to privatize social security. We are all expendable to them. Reagan did a lot of damage to working people. His admin. allowed cases against employers to mount up to over 1700 just by dragging their feet. Instead of giving more money for education for our growing population, they create charter schools where teachers are paid half of what public school teachers are paid. Congress believes industry when they say that you have to motivate the best by offering good wages. Then they show their contempt for education by cutting teachers' wages. They talk family values but they are really only talking about their own families.

“Question everything.”

Since: Jan 07

Lookingglass Land

#476 May 16, 2010
2010 new congress wrote:
Yokono we live global manufacturing daily. I was for the war, and now Obama is taking credit for freedom in Iraq! And we will be protesting everything Obama and team try to do. Conservative for 30 years and proud Tea Party and Townhaller. The wrecking ball is coming to a ballot box near you November 2010 and November 2012.
<quoted text>
You teabaggers have your heads in some orifice. You want lower taxes, but do you want good roads? New bridges? Alternative energy choices? Good public schools? Security at our ports and borders? Social security? Medicare? Atomic power? Sure, you just want some class of peons to take care of the infrastructure, healthcare, and education. In your book, everyone should be grateful to have a job no matter how low the wages or how lousy the working conditions.
And then you lie to yourselves that you're good xtians.

“Question everything.”

Since: Jan 07

Lookingglass Land

#477 May 16, 2010
allcladrad:
Just look at the ratio of corporate head salaries to the average worker's pay 40 years ago and compare it to today when the average CEO makes over 300 times more than the average worker. Why is that? Are they working 6 times harder than they were 40 years ago? That's just a shift in wages which has kept the median income in this country still in the mid $40,000 for the last 40 years.

We claim to be the best nation in the world, and our health care system is 37th in the world. Our national diet is making us obese because we subsidize sugar, corn and beef. Heck, in Colorado you can't even say anything deprecating about a food because you might affect their profits. Oprah shelled out $1 million for her freedom of speech. Monsanto has control of the seed industry in most parts of the world.

Europeans may be having trouble with their health care because they are succeeding too well at keeping their people healthy and alive longer. We certainly can't claim that. They are also in debt because they bought toxic investment products from U.S. investment houses too. So what have we been doing? Lousing up the world's economy, subsidizing big businesses, killing people with million dollar drones, and requiring our people to get healthcare from charities that usually serve the third world. Not much to be proud of.
Some Nutjob

North Andover, MA

#478 May 16, 2010
Poor misguided Abbey Yoyo needs to learn few things:

Bush is no longer in the picture

Lay off the BHO Kool Aid every now and then

BHO owns the economy now

"Not one dime" means he's not paying one dime

Put the playbook away, it's so old and tiring
JoeThePlumber

Dallas, TX

#479 May 16, 2010
i have a question for republican's.
it is safe to assume the republican's gain seats this nov. but let's say they don't regain control.......will there be mass suicides?
Some Nutjob

North Andover, MA

#480 May 16, 2010
JoeThePlumber wrote:
i have a question for republican's.
it is safe to assume the republican's gain seats this nov. but let's say they don't regain control.......will there be mass suicides?
Made your self a thread on this already I see. You've been called right out of the box.

Nice try dillhole.
JoeThePlumber

Dallas, TX

#481 May 16, 2010
Some Nutjob wrote:
<quoted text>
Made your self a thread on this already I see. You've been called right out of the box.
Nice try dillhole.
yeah but you are from andover, so you being a republican is honest, and i dont have an issue with you. now if you live in lawrence, north of 495 than you are an imbecile.
Some Nutjob

North Andover, MA

#482 May 16, 2010
JoeThePlumber wrote:
<quoted text>yeah but you are from andover, so you being a republican is honest, and i dont have an issue with you. now if you live in lawrence, north of 495 than you are an imbecile.
I've got no problem with you either, unless you actually live in Grapevine out behind the golf course off of Royal Oak Drive in a camper,

The thread you started is not honest.

LOL Lawrence!

That's where my maid lives!

Come to think of it, the guy who cuts my yard lives there too.
JoeThePlumber

Dallas, TX

#483 May 16, 2010
Some Nutjob wrote:
<quoted text>
I've got no problem with you either, unless you actually live in Grapevine out behind the golf course off of Royal Oak Drive in a camper,
The thread you started is not honest.
LOL Lawrence!
That's where my maid lives!
Come to think of it, the guy who cuts my yard lives there too.
of course it is not honest.....it's a joke. you have to admit the righty's on this forum are hysterical most of the time. i don't care all that much for this president, but the rhetoric is really over the top. i understand it, they hate obama as much as i hate bush. most of it is regurgitated rush and fox talking points, and i know this because that is what i watch and listen to. i know if you read most of it you will agree.
anyway, i actually live in ft. worth in a modest house in a nice neighborhood. i do pay for my lawn care but i don't have a maid.

anyway i actually live in ft. worth....in a modest house in a nice neighborhood.
Some Nutjob

North Andover, MA

#484 May 16, 2010
JoeThePlumber wrote:
<quoted text>of course it is not honest.....it's a joke. you have to admit the righty's on this forum are hysterical most of the time. i don't care all that much for this president, but the rhetoric is really over the top. i understand it, they hate obama as much as i hate bush. most of it is regurgitated rush and fox talking points, and i know this because that is what i watch and listen to. i know if you read most of it you will agree.
anyway, i actually live in ft. worth in a modest house in a nice neighborhood. i do pay for my lawn care but i don't have a maid.
anyway i actually live in ft. worth....in a modest house in a nice neighborhood.
I assume the East side of Ft Worth with the Arlington Tag on your post. The maid thing was a joke, but the lawn guy is true. I just wanted to if any vitriol I was going to get slammed with.
BTW - Origionally from El Paso 18 years and San Angelo 16 years.
JoeThePlumber

Dallas, TX

#485 May 16, 2010
Some Nutjob wrote:
<quoted text>
I assume the East side of Ft Worth with the Arlington Tag on your post. The maid thing was a joke, but the lawn guy is true. I just wanted to if any vitriol I was going to get slammed with.
BTW - Origionally from El Paso 18 years and San Angelo 16 years.
you like new england? i love it there, and expect to return for good within 2-3 yrs. i have 2 sons that go to school there....they were actually born in lawrence, ha! we lived in lawrence and merrimac, ma. i hate texas. i like the people ok but DFW is just way congested and i hate taking an hour to drive 6 miles to kroger's.
JoeThePlumber

Dallas, TX

#486 May 16, 2010
oh yeah....i actually live in NW ft.worth....near haslet..... maybe 8 miles no. from where 35w and 287 split.
MulattosRUs

Wake Forest, NC

#487 May 16, 2010
Being married to Michelle.
Some Nutjob

North Andover, MA

#488 May 16, 2010
JoeThePlumber wrote:
<quoted text>you like new england? i love it there, and expect to return for good within 2-3 yrs. i have 2 sons that go to school there....they were actually born in lawrence, ha! we lived in lawrence and merrimac, ma. i hate texas. i like the people ok but DFW is just way congested and i hate taking an hour to drive 6 miles to kroger's.
Not so much, snow, taxxxes, fees and and such.

My daughters have setteled in here, my son ran back to Texas at the first chance he had. He went to UTEP and is now a teacher in Houston.

Too many people that I scare the hell out of with just a "good morning" or a "hi". When you get back, don't say "howdy", it just confuses the hell out of them.

I still have property in San Angelo and plan to retire there, Nice town, in the Concho Valley, low humidity, great fishing and hunting, friends and freiendly folks.

Was never a big fan of the Dallas/Ft Worth area but work brought me there often.

Get ready to do 15 MPH on roads marked for 65 MPH. This should be nothing new, it was the same when I was up here in 1985 for work.

Don't know how long you've been gone, but I don't think it'll be the same as when you were here last. Never is when you come to think about it.

I go home to El Paso quite often, and everytime I go, there's something different, same with San Angelo but it's more like a coat of paint. It used to be an open desert ride to Sunrise City, now it seems you never leave El Paso before you get there.

Life goes on, all you can do is roll with the punches and change what you can.
Some Nutjob

North Andover, MA

#489 May 16, 2010
From another thread. Credit to justagi

http://www.topix.com/member/profile/justagi

In case some of you Obama groupies missed it, I thought I'd repost this batch of l'il ol' tidbits:
Presidential comparison quiz

If George W. Bush had made a joke at the expense of the Special Olympics, would you have approved?

If George W. Bush had given Tony Blair a set of inexpensive and useless (to Tony Blair's UK video formatting) DVDs, when Tony Blair had given him a thoughtful and historically significant gift, would you have approved?

If George W. Bush had given the Queen of England an iPod containing videos of his speeches, would you have approved?

If George W. Bush had bowed to the King of Saudi Arabia, would you have approved?

If George W. Bush had visited Austria and made reference to the non-existent "Austrian language," would you have brushed it off as a minor slip?

If George W. Bush had filled his cabinet and circle of advisers with people who cannot seem to keep current on their income taxes, would you have approved?

If George W. Bush had ordered the firing of the CEO of a major corporation, even though he had no constitutional authority to do so, would you have approved?

If George W. Bush had proposed to double the national debt, which had taken more than two centuries to accumulate, in one year, would you have approved?

If George W. Bush had then proposed to double the debt again within 10 years, would you have approved?

So, tell me again, what is it about Obama that makes him so brilliant and impressive?

“Allcladrad”

Since: Jan 10

Trang, Thailand

#490 May 16, 2010
Abbey YoYo,
You are all over the board here. People eat what they wish, their ignorance or apathy lets them make that choice. I don't want to subsidize them, just as I don't want to subsidize smokers, drinkers and drug addicts.

You choose your career path and are where you are because of the decisions you make, those CEOs did the same, they are probably harder workers than you and I, they have skills I don't possess, drive, determination and better decision makers, to name a few. I don't begrudge them whatever they get, as long as it is done honestly.

As for Monsanto controlling the seed industry in most parts of the world, they built a better mouse trap and reap the benefits. Please don't start the genetic thing, it is like global warming, truth or fiction neither can be proven.

There are probably fewer CEOs today, running larger corporations employing more workers which might explain some of the wage deal. 40 years ago a billionaire was a rare person, not anymore. There were only 2.03 million people here in 1970, now over 310, each year for the last, almost, 20 years has seen a million immigrants each year, not all skilled and not all ready to compete in the US job market.

As for the Europeans, their health care debt is in no way tied to they risky investments, two different animals. As we watch them tumble now, we can see that their failure is from too much government borrowing, sound familiar?

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