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Murkowski to Vote 'Yes' on 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Repeal, But There's a Catch

There are 99 comments on the WJR-AM Detroit story from Dec 8, 2010, titled Murkowski to Vote 'Yes' on 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Repeal, But There's a Catch. In it, WJR-AM Detroit reports that:

The push to repeal the military's controversial "don't ask, don't tell" policy potentially received a big boost Wednesday afternoon when GOP Sen.

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Since: Jan 07

Ann Arbor, MI

#21 Dec 9, 2010
It's academic now. The House rejected Obama's tax cut deal with the Republicans, so it's even more doubtful that any of the Republicans will vote for cloture.

A repeal is unlikely until after the 2012 election; its chances thereafter are far from assured.
BS Detector

Los Angeles, CA

#22 Dec 9, 2010
Dubya wrote:
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Are you reading any of these posts? Just keep watching Fox Propaganda; you won't have to think for yourself or read anything.
Poor boy. Convenient that you can always use Fox News and Republicans to excuse away your failures without having to deal with that peskey reality thing.

Since: Jan 08

Chachoengsao, Thailand

#23 Dec 9, 2010
Frank Stanton wrote:
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FOX NEWS is the ONLY news network that tells the TRUTH !
Is your middle name really "Loony Tunes"?
BS Detector

Los Angeles, CA

#24 Dec 9, 2010
whitefalcon1678 wrote:
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Well that's what happens when the democrats have to come in and fix an economy and a war. Two years later after cleaning up the big mess, we finally have time.
The war is still going on and the economy is even worse with your guys in power. So how's everything working out for you? And how long are you going to try and avoid reality and taking responsibility for what you do instead of blaming Republiocans for your failures? Some of your fellow brain damanged idiots are still trying to blame Reagan for everything!
BS Detector

Los Angeles, CA

#25 Dec 9, 2010
Inquisitarian wrote:
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I'm an independent, so I'm happy to criticize both parties. Democrats may have the majority, but it hasn't been a big enough majority to get the 60 votes needed for cloture. Republicans hold 42 seats. They have zero incentive to help the Democrats pass a bill like DADT that has nothing to do with the Republican agenda to cut taxes. In fact, they're in a position to make themselves look like the 'heroes' by holding it up until the new Congress takes power, when they will hold the house and pick up seats in the senate, allowing them to crow that they could get it done when the Democrats couldn't, neverminding that the Republicans were themselves a major roadblock.
But that doesn't mean I think Republicans really have any genuine interest in repealing DADT. Certainly not more than Democrats do, and I'm not convinced of their genuine interest, either. Seems more like a case of putting on a show to make the LGBT community think that they at least tried to do something, in order to get donations for the 2012 election. And they'll likely succeed in fooling some people, but not me. I believe in results, not "we tried".
Regardless, anyone who thinks DADT is going to get repealed in this session of Congress needs to take a horse-sized reality pill. Republicans aren't going to vote for cloture until the tax cut extension is passed, and there's no guarantee of that even happening before the session ends. Even if they do astonishingly get around to addressing DADT, the cloture vote doesn't mean any of them will actually vote for it, their statements to the contrary notwithstanding. There are bound to be excuses "that we wanted to vote for it, but...", and you had darn well better believe that someone from the GOP side will attempt to amend the hell out of the bill in an attempt to kill it altogether.
It makes me want to puke.
You're dangerous. You actually think rationally. And Sheeple makes some valid points as well.

Fact is, repealing DADT isn't all that important when compared to the economy and the war. Sure, it's stupid at this point, but it just isn't all that important to the country compared to other issues. I understanmd Obama wanting to overturn it by Congress rather by the Courts and I agree with his reasoning. But I don't know if that is going to happen, especially given the make up of the next Congress. And when I say I don't know, I really don't know one way or the other. I'm confident that as a national issue, there are far more pressing concerns to deal with.
BS Detector

Los Angeles, CA

#26 Dec 9, 2010
Dubya wrote:
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Is your middle name really "Loony Tunes"?
Are you really Keith Olberman in drag?

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#27 Dec 9, 2010
So much for Murkowski.

She voted "no" along with the rest of the GOPasaurs.

I guess their word doesn't mean anything.

“Brutally honest. ”

Since: Nov 08

Location hidden

#28 Dec 9, 2010
BS Detector wrote:
<quoted text> The war is still going on and the economy is even worse with your guys in power. So how's everything working out for you? And how long are you going to try and avoid reality and taking responsibility for what you do instead of blaming Republiocans for your failures? Some of your fellow brain damanged idiots are still trying to blame Reagan for everything!
Hmm, let me see, who started the excessive spending? Oh right, Bush. Who got us into a war that we didn't have any business being in? That's right, it was Bush and the Republican Congress! How'd that work out? Oh that's right, poorly.

You keep telling the Democrats how we don't own up to our mistakes, but Republicans like you will NEVER take the blame for the hole that we had to help dig you out of. And if you really think the economy is worse now than it was a year ago, then you're on crack. Newsflash-it doesn't take a Democratic president one year to destroy an economy.
Frank Stanton

New York, NY

#29 Dec 9, 2010
Umninimuzi wrote:
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OK, Frank, you propose the terms of the bet. Let's see if we can nail you down to SOMETHING, because up to now you have been as slippery as most of the politicians that you criticize so loudly. Are you willing to bet on whether DADT will be repealed at all during Obama's presidecy?(If he really does not want it repealed, as you suggest, then he can always veto any DADT legislation, remember?) So wil he, yes or no?
Since I have proclaimed loudly here for a long tme that Obamaniac® does NOT want DADT repealed, despite all his lies to the contrary, I will bet you a sum that DADT is NOT repealed during his presidency, because HE DOESN'T WANT IT REPEALED.

Why do you refuse to see the obvious ?! WHAT would convince you that he does NOT want DADT repealed ?! Tell me what that is.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#30 Dec 9, 2010
Frank Stanton wrote:
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Since I have proclaimed loudly here for a long tme that Obamaniac® does NOT want DADT repealed, despite all his lies to the contrary, I will bet you a sum that DADT is NOT repealed during his presidency, because HE DOESN'T WANT IT REPEALED.
Why do you refuse to see the obvious ?! WHAT would convince you that he does NOT want DADT repealed ?! Tell me what that is.
C'mon Frankie, post your home address. I dare you.
BS Detector

Los Angeles, CA

#31 Dec 9, 2010
whitefalcon1678 wrote:
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Hmm, let me see, who started the excessive spending? Oh right, Bush. Who got us into a war that we didn't have any business being in? That's right, it was Bush and the Republican Congress! How'd that work out? Oh that's right, poorly.
You keep telling the Democrats how we don't own up to our mistakes, but Republicans like you will NEVER take the blame for the hole that we had to help dig you out of. And if you really think the economy is worse now than it was a year ago, then you're on crack. Newsflash-it doesn't take a Democratic president one year to destroy an economy.
I have no problem with saying I was not a huge Bush fan. Not so obsessed as you, perhaps, but I prefer reality. I agree that the Iraq War was a terrible idea and my guess is that you have no underastanding of either war or the military. Not a fan of the bailouts either. Lousy idea continued and highly expanded by Obama. And in case you're oblivious, I believe (although to not claim certainty) that Bush had a Democratic Congress part of his tenure much as Obama had a supermajority in his Congress fro his first two years. And yet, for all his brilliance and adoring Congress (and press), unemployment has increased, the deficit had quadrupled, and public confidence has all but vanished. Remember the mid term elections way back in November when your party lost several Senate seats, lost control of the House big time, and Pelosi thankfully lost her job as Speaker?(Stupid California voters continued their unbelievable stupidity, and there's not much I can do about that.)

I'm not on crack. Unlike you, I am not stupid and refer back to that pesky reality thing you have such aversion to. I am able to see that my party and its leader did many thinsg I do not support. I am able to see that Mr. Obama is, unlike yourself, very intelligent and well intentioned. And I disagree with his economic policies and his foreign policy.

And did I mention that, per your post, you're stupid, not to mention dishonest and clueless... not to mention proudly prejudiced?(That kinda goes with that stupid thing you enjoy so much.)
Frank Stanton

New York, NY

#32 Dec 9, 2010
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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C'mon Frankie, post your home address. I dare you.
Use your brain:

43° 3'27.36"N
74°19'19.77"W

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#33 Dec 9, 2010
Frank Stanton wrote:
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Use your brain:
43° 3'27.36"N
74°19'19.77"W
You are worse than any of the Dems & GOPasaurs who voted against this.

One day soon you will get what you deserve.
Frank Stanton

New York, NY

#34 Dec 9, 2010
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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You are worse than any of the Dems & GOPasaurs who voted against this.
One day soon you will get what you deserve.
What is that sposed 2 mean ?!

I want DADT ended, by repeal or otherwise, just as much as anybody else, and you should certainly know that by now.

My thesis has ALWAYS been that Obamaniac® does NOT want it repealed, so gay and lesbian people should not support him. You obviously disagree with me.

If this does NOT convince you that Obamaniac® and [G]Reid do NOT want DADT repealed, then nothing will.

“Brutally honest. ”

Since: Nov 08

Location hidden

#36 Dec 9, 2010
BS Detector wrote:
<quoted text> I have no problem with saying I was not a huge Bush fan. Not so obsessed as you, perhaps, but I prefer reality. I agree that the Iraq War was a terrible idea and my guess is that you have no underastanding of either war or the military.
Nice guess, but wrong. I'm a military brat, with a father who spent 28 years in the Army, and retired at a position of E9. You don't get to judge me on that.
Not a fan of the bailouts either. Lousy idea continued and highly expanded by Obama.
Have any better ideas? If so, I'd love to hear about them.
And in case you're oblivious, I believe (although to not claim certainty) that Bush had a Democratic Congress part of his tenure much as Obama had a supermajority in his Congress fro his first two years. And yet, for all his brilliance and adoring Congress (and press), unemployment has increased, the deficit had quadrupled, and public confidence has all but vanished. Remember the mid term elections way back in November when your party lost several Senate seats, lost control of the House big time, and Pelosi thankfully lost her job as Speaker?(Stupid California voters continued their unbelievable stupidity, and there's not much I can do about that.)
Yes, I remember that. Now remember this. Thanks to the Republican majority and a Democratic president (much like Bush's 2nd term, which I can attest to), nothing is going to get done.
I'm not on crack. Unlike you, I am not stupid and refer back to that pesky reality thing you have such aversion to. I am able to see that my party and its leader did many thinsg I do not support. I am able to see that Mr. Obama is, unlike yourself, very intelligent and well intentioned. And I disagree with his economic policies and his foreign policy.
And did I mention that, per your post, you're stupid, not to mention dishonest and clueless... not to mention proudly prejudiced?(That kinda goes with that stupid thing you enjoy so much.)
I'm extremely entertained that you're wrapping up an insult with a pretty bow and package. That doesn't change the fact that you're calling me stupid while also agreeing with a few things that I'm saying.

You don't get to judge me, what I know, or my character, just because I disagree with you. I think Obama is well-intentioned, but it is Congress that holds the power to pass legislation, and it is Obama's job to sign it. If we can't get through the gridlock or the filibustering, then Obama can't do anything. Do you think it is ethical for the Republicans to hold the country hostage over some tax breaks for rich people? Because that is what happened, and it wasn't fair to anyone but the rich.

The next time you write a paragraph about a person's intelligence, consider it an example of what yours might actually be.

“God made in the image of man”

Since: May 07

Sausalito, CA

#37 Dec 9, 2010
Frank Stanton wrote:
<quoted text>
Since I have proclaimed loudly here for a long tme that Obamaniac® does NOT want DADT repealed, despite all his lies to the contrary, I will bet you a sum that DADT is NOT repealed during his presidency, because HE DOESN'T WANT IT REPEALED.
Why do you refuse to see the obvious ?! WHAT would convince you that he does NOT want DADT repealed ?! Tell me what that is.
I don't want to wager 'a sum'. I'll tell you what -- if DADT does get repealed during Obama's presidency, YOU come out and say these exact words on this forum: "I was wrong about Obama; he did want DADT repealed after all." (Those exact words.) If it does not get repealed during his presidency, I will publicly say what you suggest: "I now acknowledge that Obama does not want DADT repealed."

Deal or no deal?
Frank Stanton

New York, NY

#38 Dec 9, 2010
Umninimuzi wrote:
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I don't want to wager 'a sum'. I'll tell you what -- if DADT does get repealed during Obama's presidency, YOU come out and say these exact words on this forum: "I was wrong about Obama; he did want DADT repealed after all." (Those exact words.) If it does not get repealed during his presidency, I will publicly say what you suggest: "I now acknowledge that Obama does not want DADT repealed."
Deal or no deal?
Deal but its a pretty lame bet.

Look, if you are so insistent that he and [G]Reid want DADT repealed, then please explain WHY [G]Reid sprung this surpise vote on it today, without prior notice to membres of his own party, and waited for 3 senators, including democrat Lincoln who said later she would've voted FOR REPEEAL, to be out of thechamber and unable to vote. Why did he do that IF he really wants it repealed ?

(HINT:[G]Reid and Obamaniac® DON'T want it repealed despite all their lies to the contrary.)
lie is de waldaful think

Phoenix, AZ

#39 Dec 9, 2010
Frank Stanton wrote:
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Use your brain:
43° 3'27.36"N
74°19'19.77"W
do U used Dellcom? ;) U have no URL!!!:-000 u r da genious
lie is de waldaful think

Phoenix, AZ

#40 Dec 9, 2010
Frank Stanton wrote:
<quoted text>
Since I have proclaimed loudly here for a long tme that Obamaniac® does NOT want DADT repealed, despite all his lies to the contrary, I will bet you a sum that DADT is NOT repealed during his presidency, because HE DOESN'T WANT IT REPEALED.
Why do you refuse to see the obvious ?! WHAT would convince you that he does NOT want DADT repealed ?! Tell me what that is.
don't hurt yo finger serves!! who in da arm commeettee? so what is diffo DADDY vs, DADTY? U wanna PAPA don't preach from Madona! like virgine song? U r da foog frankoo
lie is de waldaful think

Phoenix, AZ

#41 Dec 9, 2010
Frank Stanton wrote:
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FOX NEWS is the ONLY news network that tells the TRU !
do you kno last Man stand is Harry Truman!!! U never understand only obsess yo underwear? ;) U never learn frankoo

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