Murkowski to Vote 'Yes' on 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Repeal, But There's a Catch

Dec 8, 2010 Full story: WJR-AM Detroit 99

The push to repeal the military's controversial "don't ask, don't tell" policy potentially received a big boost Wednesday afternoon when GOP Sen.

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Since: Jan 08

Bangkok, Thailand

#1 Dec 9, 2010
Let's see if I got this right: she'll "support" ending DADT ONLY if it has a full hearing. In other words, until the next Congress is sworn in. Does that mean the "new" House will have to vote on it, too? In that case this is such just so much double talk to defeat implementation.

Hey, thanks again Obama for defending DADT in the courts! You're not part of the solution, you're a big part of the problem!
Responsibility

South San Francisco, CA

#2 Dec 9, 2010
Gawd, are we going to hear the typical republicant mantra of "START OVER"?

Good grief, people, get this done.
Frank Stanton

New York, NY

#3 Dec 9, 2010
[G]Reid is NOT going to allow a vote on this. Obamaniac® and [G]Reid SUPPORT DADT, and Obamaniac® and [G]Reid have a deal to kill repeal and blame the Republicans.

They are Evil. PURE EVIL.
BS Detector

Venice, CA

#4 Dec 9, 2010
Responsibility wrote:
Gawd, are we going to hear the typical republicant mantra of "START OVER"?
Good grief, people, get this done.
How convenient to kneejerk blame Republicans for everything when the Democrats had two years to repeal the law. But you wouldn't DARE say anything against your beloved Democrats... who did nothing. Kinda shows you to a bigot and a hypocrite.

Surprise.
Frank Stanton

New York, NY

#5 Dec 9, 2010
BS Detector wrote:
<quoted text>How convenient to kneejerk blame Republicans for everything when the Democrats had two years to repeal the law. But you wouldn't DARE say anything against your beloved Democrats... who did nothing. Kinda shows you to a bigot and a hypocrite.
Surprise.
I agree. I've been ssaying this the past 18 months.

“Brutally honest. ”

Since: Nov 08

Location hidden

#6 Dec 9, 2010
BS Detector wrote:
<quoted text>How convenient to kneejerk blame Republicans for everything when the Democrats had two years to repeal the law. But you wouldn't DARE say anything against your beloved Democrats... who did nothing. Kinda shows you to a bigot and a hypocrite.
Surprise.
Well that's what happens when the democrats have to come in and fix an economy and a war. Two years later after cleaning up the big mess, we finally have time.

Since: Jan 08

Bangkok, Thailand

#7 Dec 9, 2010
BS Detector wrote:
<quoted text>How convenient to kneejerk blame Republicans for everything when the Democrats had two years to repeal the law. But you wouldn't DARE say anything against your beloved Democrats... who did nothing. Kinda shows you to a bigot and a hypocrite.
Surprise.
Are you reading any of these posts? Just keep watching Fox Propaganda; you won't have to think for yourself or read anything.
Frank Stanton

New York, NY

#8 Dec 9, 2010
Dubya wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you reading any of these posts? Just keep watching Fox Propaganda; you won't have to think for yourself or read anything.
FOX NEWS is the ONLY news network that tells the TRUTH !

Since: Jan 07

Ann Arbor, MI

#9 Dec 9, 2010
BS Detector wrote:
<quoted text>How convenient to kneejerk blame Republicans for everything when the Democrats had two years to repeal the law. But you wouldn't DARE say anything against your beloved Democrats... who did nothing. Kinda shows you to a bigot and a hypocrite.
Surprise.
I'm an independent, so I'm happy to criticize both parties. Democrats may have the majority, but it hasn't been a big enough majority to get the 60 votes needed for cloture. Republicans hold 42 seats. They have zero incentive to help the Democrats pass a bill like DADT that has nothing to do with the Republican agenda to cut taxes. In fact, they're in a position to make themselves look like the 'heroes' by holding it up until the new Congress takes power, when they will hold the house and pick up seats in the senate, allowing them to crow that they could get it done when the Democrats couldn't, neverminding that the Republicans were themselves a major roadblock.

But that doesn't mean I think Republicans really have any genuine interest in repealing DADT. Certainly not more than Democrats do, and I'm not convinced of their genuine interest, either. Seems more like a case of putting on a show to make the LGBT community think that they at least tried to do something, in order to get donations for the 2012 election. And they'll likely succeed in fooling some people, but not me. I believe in results, not "we tried".

Regardless, anyone who thinks DADT is going to get repealed in this session of Congress needs to take a horse-sized reality pill. Republicans aren't going to vote for cloture until the tax cut extension is passed, and there's no guarantee of that even happening before the session ends. Even if they do astonishingly get around to addressing DADT, the cloture vote doesn't mean any of them will actually vote for it, their statements to the contrary notwithstanding. There are bound to be excuses "that we wanted to vote for it, but...", and you had darn well better believe that someone from the GOP side will attempt to amend the hell out of the bill in an attempt to kill it altogether.

It makes me want to puke.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#10 Dec 9, 2010
Inquisitarian wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm an independent, so I'm happy to criticize both parties. Democrats may have the majority, but it hasn't been a big enough majority to get the 60 votes needed for cloture. Republicans hold 42 seats. They have zero incentive to help the Democrats pass a bill like DADT that has nothing to do with the Republican agenda to cut taxes. In fact, they're in a position to make themselves look like the 'heroes' by holding it up until the new Congress takes power, when they will hold the house and pick up seats in the senate, allowing them to crow that they could get it done when the Democrats couldn't, neverminding that the Republicans were themselves a major roadblock.
But that doesn't mean I think Republicans really have any genuine interest in repealing DADT. Certainly not more than Democrats do, and I'm not convinced of their genuine interest, either. Seems more like a case of putting on a show to make the LGBT community think that they at least tried to do something, in order to get donations for the 2012 election. And they'll likely succeed in fooling some people, but not me. I believe in results, not "we tried".
Regardless, anyone who thinks DADT is going to get repealed in this session of Congress needs to take a horse-sized reality pill. Republicans aren't going to vote for cloture until the tax cut extension is passed, and there's no guarantee of that even happening before the session ends. Even if they do astonishingly get around to addressing DADT, the cloture vote doesn't mean any of them will actually vote for it, their statements to the contrary notwithstanding. There are bound to be excuses "that we wanted to vote for it, but...", and you had darn well better believe that someone from the GOP side will attempt to amend the hell out of the bill in an attempt to kill it altogether.
It makes me want to puke.
Just 2 points-

1. If-if-if they get the 60 votes for cloture, then it only takes 51 to actually pass the NDAA & attached DADT repeal. THAT'S why the GOP is fighting the cloture vote so hard. They know that if the bill gets to the floor it will pass. So they have to do everything they can to keep it from being debated on.

2. It ain't over till it's over. Sen Reid & Sen Levin are pushing hard for a cloture vote this week- likely today. Sen Collins seems to be the swing vote, though there are a number of other GOPasaurs who have indicated they will vote for cloture and even passage of the bill. If the cloture vote doesn't happen this week, then in all likelihood the bill is dead till next year- which means the DADT repeal is dead until at least 2013, unless the courts overturn it in the meantime.
Frank Stanton

New York, NY

#11 Dec 9, 2010
WeTheSheeple wrote:
<quoted text>
Just 2 points-
1. If-if-if they get the 60 votes for cloture, then it only takes 51 to actually pass the NDAA & attached DADT repeal. THAT'S why the GOP is fighting the cloture vote so hard. They know that if the bill gets to the floor it will pass. So they have to do everything they can to keep it from being debated on.
2. It ain't over till it's over. Sen Reid & Sen Levin are pushing hard for a cloture vote this week- likely today. Sen Collins seems to be the swing vote, though there are a number of other GOPasaurs who have indicated they will vote for cloture and even passage of the bill. If the cloture vote doesn't happen this week, then in all likelihood the bill is dead till next year- which means the DADT repeal is dead until at least 2013, unless the courts overturn it in the meantime.
Obamaniac® could end DADT any time he wants to by dropping his appeal. But he won't do that because he obviously SUPPORTS DADT, despiet all his lies to the contrary. Or are you going to tell me he never lies ???
Frank Stanton

New York, NY

#12 Dec 9, 2010
As I have been saying for a long time, DADT will NOT be allowed to be voted on by [G]Reid in the Senate. I STAND by what I say here. If you disagree, then BET me I'm wrong.

The fix is in, and Obamaniac® and [G]Reid are NOT going to allow a vote on repealeing DADT because they BOTH SUPPORT DADT, despite all their lies to the contrary.

They are Evil. PURE EVIL.

Since: Nov 09

Bridgeport, PA

#13 Dec 9, 2010
Your point might be more accurate were it not for the fact that the Republicans used the filibuster/cloture vote 75% more than the next highest count, which was the 95/96 Congress. It's the "obstructionism" that's my big issue and my reason for "blaming" the Republicans.

Democrats are the biggest wusses and could learn a few things from Republicans, however from a moralistic viewpoint I have to stick with the Dems.
BS Detector wrote:
<quoted text>How convenient to kneejerk blame Republicans for everything when the Democrats had two years to repeal the law. But you wouldn't DARE say anything against your beloved Democrats... who did nothing. Kinda shows you to a bigot and a hypocrite.
Surprise.

Since: Nov 09

Bridgeport, PA

#14 Dec 9, 2010
Yawn... Obviously some historical perspective on "evil" is in order.
Frank Stanton wrote:
As I have been saying for a long time, DADT will NOT be allowed to be voted on by [G]Reid in the Senate. I STAND by what I say here. If you disagree, then BET me I'm wrong.
The fix is in, and Obamaniac® and [G]Reid are NOT going to allow a vote on repealeing DADT because they BOTH SUPPORT DADT, despite all their lies to the contrary.
They are Evil. PURE EVIL.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#15 Dec 9, 2010
Frank Stanton wrote:
As I have been saying for a long time, DADT will NOT be allowed to be voted on by [G]Reid in the Senate. I STAND by what I say here. If you disagree, then BET me I'm wrong.
The fix is in, and Obamaniac® and [G]Reid are NOT going to allow a vote on repealeing DADT because they BOTH SUPPORT DADT, despite all their lies to the contrary.
They are Evil. PURE EVIL.
If there isn't a vote, it will be because Reid couldn't get any GOP Senators to vote with the Dems.

Why would Reid even bother talking about a vote if he's opposed? He would simply have said last week that the votes aren't there and let it die then. Why would Reid & Obama both be personally lobbying & negotiating with Collins for her vote, if they don't want a vote to happen?

Is Collins in on your big super-secret conspiracy as well? She's admitted she is in discussions with Reid and has received a call from Obama. Why would she go along with Obama & Reid's conspiracy? Is she lying too?

OMG, just how deep does this conspiracy go? Could it be McCain is in on it as well? Does McCain secretely support repeal of DADT but has to use his secret lover Lieberman to push Collins to vote for it instead, or risk his late-night liaisons exposed??

GET A GRIP-

If there is no vote on DADT it just means the Dems FAILED. Nothing more, nothing less. You can say they used poor judgement, or they let the GOP & military set the time table for the study, or they traded votes on GLBT rights for other votes they wanted more. But to continue on with your "dems are evil" and "they don't want it repealed" just makes you sound like the total ass we all know you to be.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#16 Dec 9, 2010
Frank Stanton wrote:
<quoted text>
Obamaniac® could end DADT any time he wants to by dropping his appeal. But he won't do that because he obviously SUPPORTS DADT, despiet all his lies to the contrary. Or are you going to tell me he never lies ???
I do agree Obama is unlikely to drop the appeal of DADT. Of course not because of your typically looney assertions, but simply because he's not willing to expend the political capital. The GOP Senators will have called his bluff, knowing the current SCOTUS is highly unlikely to overturn DADT.

“Brutally honest. ”

Since: Nov 08

Location hidden

#17 Dec 9, 2010
Frank Stanton wrote:
<quoted text>
FOX NEWS is the ONLY news network that tells the TRUTH !
I swear to God if you weren't gay, you'd be a cookie cutter homophobe.

“God made in the image of man”

Since: May 07

Sausalito, CA

#18 Dec 9, 2010
Frank Stanton wrote:
As I have been saying for a long time, DADT will NOT be allowed to be voted on by [G]Reid in the Senate. I STAND by what I say here. If you disagree, then BET me I'm wrong.
The fix is in, and Obamaniac® and [G]Reid are NOT going to allow a vote on repealeing DADT because they BOTH SUPPORT DADT, despite all their lies to the contrary.
They are Evil. PURE EVIL.
OK, Frank, you propose the terms of the bet. Let's see if we can nail you down to SOMETHING, because up to now you have been as slippery as most of the politicians that you criticize so loudly. Are you willing to bet on whether DADT will be repealed at all during Obama's presidecy?(If he really does not want it repealed, as you suggest, then he can always veto any DADT legislation, remember?) So wil he, yes or no?
Equal Equals Equal

United States

#19 Dec 9, 2010
just more of the same old tired crap ... from the Grand OBSTRUCTIONIST Party

“The Buybull is innerrrent.”

Since: Jun 08

Tappahannock, VA

#20 Dec 9, 2010
BS Detector wrote:
<quoted text>How convenient to kneejerk blame Republicans for everything when the Democrats had two years to repeal the law. But you wouldn't DARE say anything against your beloved Democrats... who did nothing. Kinda shows you to a bigot and a hypocrite.
Surprise.
The usual sniveling crap from the bigot. We know as a simple matter of math which party has the overwhelming percentage of virulent, irrational, buybull thumping homophobes.

The only Democratic problem is that the country is not progressive enough, so we have a smattering of blue dog Democratic Senators from backwards states. Their numbers are minor compared to decent Democrats from blue states, and cmopared to the "man on dog," closet case, sexually disordered, flat earth Republicans.

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