Law enforcement agencies split over boy's death

Feb 14, 2011 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: CapeCodOnline.com

Patric McCarthy's death remains officially closed in New Hampshire, classified as accidental, but the family of the 10-year-old Bourne boy hopes federal authorities will take the case as a homicide.

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I wonder why no one is talking about this.

Where is T.O. and the others?

Could it be because a review by an independent agent has reviewed the entire autopsy? And you will never guess what conclusions he came to. You really should read it for yourself. It is a very remarkable document. Not only does it back up the conclusions of the first autopsy, but it tears those "experts" apart about what they said, their lack of any qualification to determine cause of death and why some of what they said is wrong.

Curious about the clean fingers. The answer is in there. Curious about if he was suffocated, the answer is in there. Curious if someone sat on his head, the answer is in there. Curious about the dirt up his nose, the answer is in there. Curious why no one took pictures before touching the body, the answer is there(they did take pictures). There is more, its a fascinating read and I highly recommend it to anyone wanting the truth. All that truth and detail in only three pages. It is also interesting that he asks some of the same questions I did and even mentions some of the statistical bullshit being tossed around.

It should also be noted that I reviewed some other cases that this organization and M.E. determined was murder. I wanted to vett the source of the autopsy review so I checked other work he has done for the non profit organization, pro bono. He didn't mince words about what he found lacking in those autopsy's. This doctor has my respect, he is a no nonsense straight talker. Intelligent, clearly highly motivated and takes his job very seriously and not to be screwed with.

There has been gross speculation about this case by some very unqualified people for years. This second autopsy review plainly spells out that some of these "facts" are either misinterpretation by unqualified people and in some cases you need to wonder if people have been propagating this "case" for their own ends. They have attempted in some cases to ruin the reputations of the people involved from F&G to the Attorney Generals office. These people should definitely be on the defensive now. Hopefully the family will finally get some peace but who knows. And also some people involved with this case will be remembered for the catastrophe they created out of this case and the undue and prolonged suffering they caused the family. I know that there are a couple of names associated with this case the my bullshit detectors will be going off full blast if I hear their names mentioned.

Also don't forget to read this:
http://www.capecodonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/ar...

And especially this. Please, please make sure you read this:
http://static.djlmgdigital.com/cct/capecodonl...

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Oh, it should also be pointed out that in 2005, Dr. Jennifer Lipman also concluded Patric died from "environmental exposure" based on the information she was provided. Why no one ever heard that piece of information for the last six years is also interesting.

There are three medical examiners that agree that it was exposure that killed Patric.

And as a footnote. Dr Bonnell who did the autopsy review on Patric this last time, was the Chief Deputy Medical Examiner for San Diego and had conducted 7000 autopsies prior to going into private practice and working pro bono for the National Organization of Parents of Murdered Children.

That is just touching on his Curriculum Vitae. His credentials and career are very impressive.

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Thanks for posting this Bill. Very interesting indeed although not surprising.
The silence is deafening. Not surprising either.
Unfortunately I think there will still be some that will refuse to believe that death was caused by exposure and no matter how many Medical Examiners agree on this these people will not be convinced because it is not what they want to hear.
So sad but hopefully the family can have some closure now and little Patric can RIP.

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Wowzer the real one wrote:
The silence is deafening. Not surprising either.
No it isn't, is it. Do you remember the people coming out of the woodwork when they "knew" that everyone was corrupt and covering up the murder of a child? A few of them were the usual suspect on the MM board as well. I wonít mention any names but I am sure you know who they are. And don't forget the people that were personally attacking the job that the people on the scene, who treated Patric with dignity and respect, and treated the family the same way. Now we find that almost all, if not all, of those accusations were out and out lies. The personal attacks on the coroner, who has been vindicated in 2005. Of course his reputation was still run through the ringer after 2005 and no one knew about this second review. That 2005 review was also conducted at the request of a family member. I made a suggestion to someone years ago, they claimed to be a female member of the family and I believed her. I felt very sorry for her, she claimed to have the autopsy report (Dr. Andrews, I suspected at the time) and she had a question. While not knowing the answer for certain, I told her what I know about it, not much, and more importantly I suggested that she find an M.E. who could do another autopsy, or a review. I suggested that she should choose someone who has no interest in anything but the truth to do another autopsy or at least review what was done. I donít know if that brought about the 2005 review or not. Why they never released that information is open for speculation but I can think of a slew of reasons.

My belief is that this latest autopsy might never have seen the light of day either if it hadn't been released without being known about by the person requesting all information under an FOI request. The family member who requested the FOI request apparently didn't know about autopsy review being forwarded to Dr Andrews as a professional courtesy and him forwarding it to the AG's office. So that document along with everything else was sent to the requester who made the request under FOI and since the investigation was closed, it was granted. I suspect strongly that the members who requested the autopsy review never expected this to get out.

Some of Dr. Bonnells review is remarkably telling. There was a time, after the ďconfessionĒ that I even wondered, that if Gabe didnít directly cause Patrics death, that if he did what was alleged, i.e. sitting on his head to suffocate him. Could that have scared Patric enough to go running off into the woods? Examining Dr. Bonnells conclusions, this isnít possible. There is no evidence of any trauma to the face, including scratches to the face from that being attempted, no trauma to the nose etc, that would be consistent with such a scenario.

I can guess the motivation of the people who have been driving this. Hopefully they will now step back and review this objectively. One would hope that they would now explain to the parents what this means and that pursuing this further is not only wrong, its folly. Apologies should be forthcoming to many of the agencies and individuals also but I doubt that will happen. The death is accidental, let Patric and the family rest.

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Bill -
You are as pathetic as ever.... don't you have a life? Don't you have anything better to do except go from board to board boasting about yourself and your knowledge about this and that?
You are a fake and a loser. You are the kind of guy that was picke don as a kid, but as an adult you live this fake life and pretend to be someone you are not ... You have nothing better to do at night, then go the boards and talk about other people. I have always wondered what your motivation is. What keeps you so heated about these discussions, about other people's families. Why do you care? Is it because you don't have a family of your own? If you did, then I guess you would be with them rather than on the comuter 24/7....
When it is all said and done - judgement day - we all go to heaven or hell... You and I both know where you are going!!!!

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WTH-the-original wrote:
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No it isn't, is it. Do you remember the people coming out of the woodwork when they "knew" that everyone was corrupt and covering up the murder of a child? A few of them were the usual suspect on the MM board as well. I wonít mention any names but I am sure you know who they are. And don't forget the people that were personally attacking the job that the people on the scene, who treated Patric with dignity and respect, and treated the family the same way. Now we find that almost all, if not all, of those accusations were out and out lies. The personal attacks on the coroner, who has been vindicated in 2005. Of course his reputation was still run through the ringer after 2005 and no one knew about this second review. That 2005 review was also conducted at the request of a family member. I made a suggestion to someone years ago, they claimed to be a female member of the family and I believed her. I felt very sorry for her, she claimed to have the autopsy report (Dr. Andrews, I suspected at the time) and she had a question. While not knowing the answer for certain, I told her what I know about it, not much, and more importantly I suggested that she find an M.E. who could do another autopsy, or a review. I suggested that she should choose someone who has no interest in anything but the truth to do another autopsy or at least review what was done. I donít know if that brought about the 2005 review or not. Why they never released that information is open for speculation but I can think of a slew of reasons.
My belief is that this latest autopsy might never have seen the light of day either if it hadn't been released without being known about by the person requesting all information under an FOI request. The family member who requested the FOI request apparently didn't know about autopsy review being forwarded to Dr Andrews as a professional courtesy and him forwarding it to the AG's office. So that document along with everything else was sent to the requester who made the request under FOI and since the investigation was closed, it was granted. I suspect strongly that the members who requested the autopsy review never expected this to get out.
Some of Dr. Bonnells review is remarkably telling. There was a time, after the ďconfessionĒ that I even wondered, that if Gabe didnít directly cause Patrics death, that if he did what was alleged, i.e. sitting on his head to suffocate him. Could that have scared Patric enough to go running off into the woods? Examining Dr. Bonnells conclusions, this isnít possible. There is no evidence of any trauma to the face, including scratches to the face from that being attempted, no trauma to the nose etc, that would be consistent with such a scenario.
I can guess the motivation of the people who have been driving this. Hopefully they will now step back and review this objectively. One would hope that they would now explain to the parents what this means and that pursuing this further is not only wrong, its folly. Apologies should be forthcoming to many of the agencies and individuals also but I doubt that will happen. The death is accidental, let Patric and the family rest.
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OVA wrote:
When it is all said and done - judgement day - we all go to heaven or hell... You and I both know where you are going!!!!
Ohhhhh. Someone trying to hurt my feelings by calling me names. I am so sad.

My facts, my credentials, my expertise can all be verified. Sadly, not by someone with your level of intelligence.

And when you die, you go into the ground to decompose or an incinerator to become ash, nowhere else. So, if you are like me, you try to make a difference in people lives by joining a fire service and becoming a leader and teaching in EMS and SAR. If you are like you, I guess you do nothing, just make anonymous writings on forums on subjects you know nothing about.

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