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Reconciliation bill will be hard for GOP to derail

There are 28 comments on the Lowell Sun story from Mar 10, 2010, titled Reconciliation bill will be hard for GOP to derail. In it, Lowell Sun reports that:

Democrats are tying the fate of President Barack Obama's health care overhaul to a fast-track process that will make the bill tough for Republicans to derail in the Senate.

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Why bother

Lowell, MA

#1 Mar 10, 2010
Who cares what the majority of the public wants. If this passes watch the democratic clearing house special that occurs in November.
Roger Anderson

Salem, MA

#2 Mar 10, 2010
Why bother wrote:
Who cares what the majority of the public wants. If this passes watch the democratic clearing house special that occurs in November.
What makes you think the majority don't want it once they get past the lies and BS. Here's some facts for you and the other victims of the "BIG LIE"

It's soA new†NBC/Wall Street Journal poll (pdf)†(included questions centered on the recent health care debate. What made this poll unique was that four of the questions sought to ascertain whether the respondents believed statements that were known to be untrue. Here are the results broken out by which news sources the respondents favored:
Those who believe health care reform Will;

msnbc/cnn viewers faux viewers
Give coverage to illegal Immigrants 41% 72%

Lead to a government takeover 39% 79%

Pay for abortions 40% 69%

Stop care for the elderly 30% 75%

Let me repeat: These are statements that are known to be untrue, yet Fox News viewers believe them in overwhelming numbers. Itís bad enough that approximately 40% of MSNBC/CNN viewers believe these myths, but clearly Fox is producing an audience of vastly misinformed, cultural illiterates.

from any type of fairness as to be laughable, were it not rhttp://www.newscorpse.com/ncW P/?p=1370

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Do troll busters become trolls

#3 Mar 10, 2010
Roger Anderson wrote:
<quoted text>
What makes you think the majority don't want it once they get past the lies and BS. Here's some facts for you and the other victims of the "BIG LIE"
It's soA new†NBC/Wall Street Journal poll (pdf)†(included questions centered on the recent health care debate. What made this poll unique was that four of the questions sought to ascertain whether the respondents believed statements that were known to be untrue. Here are the results broken out by which news sources the respondents favored:
Those who believe health care reform Will;
msnbc/cnn viewers faux viewers
Give coverage to illegal Immigrants 41% 72%

Lead to a government takeover 39% 79%
Pay for abortions 40% 69%
Stop care for the elderly 30% 75%
Let me repeat: These are statements that are known to be untrue, yet Fox News viewers believe them in overwhelming numbers. Itís bad enough that approximately 40% of MSNBC/CNN viewers believe these myths, but clearly Fox is producing an audience of vastly misinformed, cultural illiterates.
from any type of fairness as to be laughable, were it not rhttp://www.newscorpse.com/ncW P/?p=1370
Thanks, Roger.
Seems that we get a lot of fake news watchers on Topix.
9 kids? OMG.. Must be hectic around the dinner table!!

“The enemy is in our camp.”

Since: Mar 08

Location hidden

#4 Mar 10, 2010
Ah, November draws ever nearer!
Roger Anderson

Salem, MA

#5 Mar 10, 2010
A-Patriot wrote:
Ah, November draws ever nearer!
Ya hopefully we'll get rid of the rest of them republicans and move on. who knows maybe this editorial board and a few others along with all of the Faux news staff will get together for a mass suicide. Actualluy that'll never happen because republicans tend to be cowards.
I can't imagine what it's like living in red(neck)states if the media in this state is so far to the right they make Reagan look like liberal of from his day in power.
However I do feel bad for people like yourself because you really believe the BS the right and the T-party spouts. who know's maybe you know what sarah palin really thinks

Psychologists have shown over and over again that humans naturally tend to accept any information that supports what they already believe, even if the information isnít very reliable. And humans also naturally tend to reject information that conflicts with those beliefs, even if the information is solid.
Roger Anderson

Salem, MA

#6 Mar 10, 2010
CatmomDu wrote:
<quoted text>
Thanks, Roger.
Seems that we get a lot of fake news watchers on Topix.
9 kids? OMG.. Must be hectic around the dinner table!!
That's why I'm in a hurry to get to Montana, I didn't plan on bringing the 15 yr old but the 25 year old says he can't handle him. Actually, It's not bad the oldest is 41 he's in N-Zealand. Two live in Florida and I got 4 at home. The youngest is going to be 13 this month. Two of my 3 girls are going to MWCC.
We'll see what happens I learned a long time ago not to make plans
because they rarely come to fruition. Sometimes I wish I got neutered.
Pit Bull owner

Huntington Station, NY

#7 Mar 10, 2010
Roger Ramjet he's our man
Hero of our nation

keep campaigning Roger SEUI Anderson Ramjet
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1dcx9_roger...

November is coming
FUBO
Crush the Demonquack Socialist Party
then crush ACORN, SEIU and the UAW
Toni

Overland Park, KS

#8 Mar 10, 2010
A-Patriot wrote:
Ah, November draws ever nearer!
Yes the Democrats are sealing their demise.

“Watch out for my shivs”

Since: Feb 09

Do troll busters become trolls

#9 Mar 10, 2010
Pit Bull owner wrote:
Roger Ramjet he's our man
Hero of our nation
keep campaigning Roger SEUI Anderson Ramjet
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1dcx9_roger...
November is coming
FUBO
Crush the Demonquack Socialist Party
then crush ACORN, SEIU and the UAW
Dream on, Stupid.
And have a nice day.

“Watch out for my shivs”

Since: Feb 09

Do troll busters become trolls

#10 Mar 10, 2010
Roger Anderson wrote:
<quoted text>
That's why I'm in a hurry to get to Montana, I didn't plan on bringing the 15 yr old but the 25 year old says he can't handle him. Actually, It's not bad the oldest is 41 he's in N-Zealand. Two live in Florida and I got 4 at home. The youngest is going to be 13 this month. Two of my 3 girls are going to MWCC.
We'll see what happens I learned a long time ago not to make plans
because they rarely come to fruition. Sometimes I wish I got neutered.
I bet they're all great, just like their dad.
What's your boy in NZ doing?
phineas

Port Huron, MI

#11 Mar 10, 2010
Roger Anderson wrote:
<quoted text>
That's why I'm in a hurry to get to Montana, I didn't plan on bringing the 15 yr old but the 25 year old says he can't handle him. Actually, It's not bad the oldest is 41 he's in N-Zealand. Two live in Florida and I got 4 at home. The youngest is going to be 13 this month. Two of my 3 girls are going to MWCC.
We'll see what happens I learned a long time ago not to make plans
because they rarely come to fruition. Sometimes I wish I got neutered.
you wrote: "Sometimes I wish I got neutered"....Its never too late, ya know. How is running away to some place like Montana going to help? Are they going to secede? Will they take Texas with them if they do?
The Hoff rocks my socks

United States

#12 Mar 10, 2010
Roger Anderson wrote:
<quoted text>
What makes you think the majority don't want it once they get past the lies and BS. Here's some facts for you and the other victims of the "BIG LIE"
It's soA new†NBC/Wall Street Journal poll (pdf)†(included questions centered on the recent health care debate. What made this poll unique was that four of the questions sought to ascertain whether the respondents believed statements that were known to be untrue. Here are the results broken out by which news sources the respondents favored:
Those who believe health care reform Will;
msnbc/cnn viewers faux viewers
Give coverage to illegal Immigrants 41% 72%
Lead to a government takeover 39% 79%
Pay for abortions 40% 69%
Stop care for the elderly 30% 75%
Let me repeat: These are statements that are known to be untrue, yet Fox News viewers believe them in overwhelming numbers. Itís bad enough that approximately 40% of MSNBC/CNN viewers believe these myths, but clearly Fox is producing an audience of vastly misinformed, cultural illiterates.
from any type of fairness as to be laughable, were it not rhttp://www.newscorpse.com/ncW P/?p=1370
"Lead to a government takeover 39% 79%
Pay for abortions 40% 69%"

"Let me repeat: These are statements that are known to be untrue"

I think perhaps the phrase "known to be untrue" doesn't mean what you think it does. Both of these "results" are "known to be true" rather than "known to be untrue", and demonstrably so. If the government dicates, controls, set and enforces half of what they are proposing to, they have taken over. Your phrase "take over" is meant to instill images of jackbooted thugs ripping our elderly into the streets and ending their blight on our health care system by force, but when the GOVERNMENT controls every, or nearly every aspect of a formerly PRIVATE enterprise well bad news, I think thats a "take over" by definition.

'According to FactCheck.org , President Barack Obama was right to a "limited extent" when he stated that his healthcare reform plan does not allow for "government-funded abortion." Although FactCheck.org states that under H.R. 3200 federal money is not used to fund abortion, under the public insurance option there is a provision for abortion coverage -- as well as provisions for government-subsidized public and private insurance plans that cover what are described as "reproductive services."

Douglas Johnson, legislative director for the Washington, DC-based National Right to Life, says the president purposely neglected to tell the whole story.

"Well, President Obama really brazenly misrepresented the abortion-related components of this bill that his congressional allies have crafted and that his staff had a role in," Johnson contends.

"As the bill was amended by the House Energy and Commerce Committee on July 30, it includes something called the Capps amendment which was put in by the pro-abortion side. And it explicitly authorizes the government plan to cover all elective abortions -- explicitly."'
- http://www.onenewsnow.com/Politics/Default.as...
Roger Anderson

Salem, MA

#13 Mar 10, 2010
The Hoff rocks my socks wrote:
<quoted text>
"Lead to a government takeover 39% 79%
Pay for abortions 40% 69%"
"Let me repeat: These are statements that are known to be untrue"
I think perhaps the phrase "known to be untrue" doesn't mean what you think it does. Both of these "results" are "known to be true" rather than "known to be untrue", and demonstrably so. If the government dicates, controls, set and enforces half of what they are proposing to, they have taken over. Your phrase "take over" is meant to instill images of jackbooted thugs ripping our elderly into the streets and ending their blight on our health care system by force, but when the GOVERNMENT controls every, or nearly every aspect of a formerly PRIVATE enterprise well bad news, I think thats a "take over" by definition.
'According to FactCheck.org , President Barack Obama was right to a "limited extent" when he stated that his healthcare reform plan does not allow for "government-funded abortion." Although FactCheck.org states that under H.R. 3200 federal money is not used to fund abortion, under the public insurance option there is a provision for abortion coverage -- as well as provisions for government-subsidized public and private insurance plans that cover what are described as "reproductive services."
Douglas Johnson, legislative director for the Washington, DC-based National Right to Life, says the president purposely neglected to tell the whole story.
"Well, President Obama really brazenly misrepresented the abortion-related components of this bill that his congressional allies have crafted and that his staff had a role in," Johnson contends.
"As the bill was amended by the House Energy and Commerce Committee on July 30, it includes something called the Capps amendment which was put in by the pro-abortion side. And it explicitly authorizes the government plan to cover all elective abortions -- explicitly."'
- http://www.onenewsnow.com/Politics/Default.as...
The statement is untrue but that's how many people believe it's true despite any evidence to the contrary which leads to this.

Psychologists have shown over and over again that humans naturally tend to accept any information that supports what they already believe, even if the information isnít very reliable. And humans also naturally tend to reject information that conflicts with those beliefs, even if the information is solid.
Roger Anderson

Salem, MA

#14 Mar 10, 2010
The Hoff rocks my socks wrote:
<quoted text>
"Lead to a government takeover 39% 79%
Pay for abortions 40% 69%"
"Let me repeat: These are statements that are known to be untrue"
I think perhaps the phrase "known to be untrue" doesn't mean what you think it does. Both of these "results" are "known to be true" rather than "known to be untrue", and demonstrably so. If the government dicates, controls, set and enforces half of what they are proposing to, they have taken over. Your phrase "take over" is meant to instill images of jackbooted thugs ripping our elderly into the streets and ending their blight on our health care system by force, but when the GOVERNMENT controls every, or nearly every aspect of a formerly PRIVATE enterprise well bad news, I think thats a "take over" by definition.
'According to FactCheck.org , President Barack Obama was right to a "limited extent" when he stated that his healthcare reform plan does not allow for "government-funded abortion." Although FactCheck.org states that under H.R. 3200 federal money is not used to fund abortion, under the public insurance option there is a provision for abortion coverage -- as well as provisions for government-subsidized public and private insurance plans that cover what are described as "reproductive services."
Douglas Johnson, legislative director for the Washington, DC-based National Right to Life, says the president purposely neglected to tell the whole story.
"Well, President Obama really brazenly misrepresented the abortion-related components of this bill that his congressional allies have crafted and that his staff had a role in," Johnson contends.
"As the bill was amended by the House Energy and Commerce Committee on July 30, it includes something called the Capps amendment which was put in by the pro-abortion side. And it explicitly authorizes the government plan to cover all elective abortions -- explicitly."'
- http://www.onenewsnow.com/Politics/Default.as...
Now you got me 2nd guessing myself. They polled viewer's with questions they already knew to be untrue and those are the percentage of people who agreed with the untruth.

“Watch out for my shivs”

Since: Feb 09

Do troll busters become trolls

#15 Mar 10, 2010
Roger Anderson wrote:
<quoted text>
Now you got me 2nd guessing myself. They polled viewer's with questions they already knew to be untrue and those are the percentage of people who agreed with the untruth.
I don't think HOFF is serious. Just here to keep herself entertained.
Toni

Overland Park, KS

#16 Mar 10, 2010
Pit Bull owner wrote:
Roger Ramjet he's our man
Hero of our nation
keep campaigning Roger SEUI Anderson Ramjet
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1dcx9_roger...
November is coming
FUBO
Crush the Demonquack Socialist Party
then crush ACORN, SEIU and the UAW
Enjoyed the video.

“The enemy is in our camp.”

Since: Mar 08

Location hidden

#17 Mar 10, 2010
Roger Anderson wrote:
<quoted text>
Ya hopefully we'll get rid of the rest of them republicans and move on. who knows maybe this editorial board and a few others along with all of the Faux news staff will get together for a mass suicide. Actualluy that'll never happen because republicans tend to be cowards.
I can't imagine what it's like living in red(neck)states if the media in this state is so far to the right they make Reagan look like liberal of from his day in power.
However I do feel bad for people like yourself because you really believe the BS the right and the T-party spouts. who know's maybe you know what sarah palin really thinks
Psychologists have shown over and over again that humans naturally tend to accept any information that supports what they already believe, even if the information isnít very reliable. And humans also naturally tend to reject information that conflicts with those beliefs, even if the information is solid.
Did you read what you wrote? Maybe you should, because it appears to be YOU who believe in The Obamanation, not I. As for Palin; are you attempting to see deep into my mind, because if you think you are, you are sadly mistaken. But then after reading what you wrote I am convinced that you are mistaken.
The Hoff rocks my socks

United States

#18 Mar 10, 2010
Roger Anderson wrote:
<quoted text>
The statement is untrue but that's how many people believe it's true despite any evidence to the contrary which leads to this.
Psychologists have shown over and over again that humans naturally tend to accept any information that supports what they already believe, even if the information isnít very reliable. And humans also naturally tend to reject information that conflicts with those beliefs, even if the information is solid.
I suppose you can kep saying "it's true" "It's True" "IT'S TRUE" over and over but if you want to demonstrate it's truth you may want to go in another direction (or give it up as a lost cause)

When a government agency siezes control of a formerly private enterprise and continues to control how that enterprise is conducted then it's a "take over". There is no argument as to the semantics of "true" or "untrue" ... the "government" is "taking over" control of the healthcare industry. Government ... take ... over; see how there are no fancy arguments, just those three words as their basest definition. The fact that the "take over" is being conducted against the popular will of the people is just socalist gravy.
Roger Anderson

Salem, MA

#19 Mar 10, 2010
phineas wrote:
<quoted text>
you wrote: "Sometimes I wish I got neutered"....Its never too late, ya know. How is running away to some place like Montana going to help? Are they going to secede? Will they take Texas with them if they do?
No Phineas thanks to modern technology I can go hang around in Montana and enjoy Glacier National park like very few people in America can. Beside taking horseback trips into the park, I'm going to kayak down Swift current to St Mary's lake jump the small waterfall at Duck Lake road and make my way down the St Mary's, which is one of the few rivers that flows north, When I get to Camp 9 where I'll get and go over to a bar and play some pool and have a couple beers.It doesn't get dark until around 10:00-10:30. Them injuns arent into Kayaking so I usually go by myself. If I get a chance I'll put into the Flathead river and go to Columbia falls.
I can pay my bills by computer and get my daily news that way too. Hell I might just put my laptop in my ruck and pay my bills on the 4th of July from a snow covered mountain.
One thing for sure I'm not going to worry about what's going on in the news. I'll tell you what it's unfortunate that texas can't seceed I for one won't miss them.
Roger Anderson

Salem, MA

#20 Mar 10, 2010
Show me evidence of government taking over. They are going to do to healthcare what they've done to college educations. Take the Worcester area for example. They have.
Worcester State College State

Quinsigamond Community College State

U-Mass Medical State

Holy Cross College College private

Assumption College private

Clark University Private

Worcester Poly technical inst. Private

Becker College Private.

Anna Maria College Private

Worcester Art Musuem Private

I might add them state colleges are a lot cheaper because YOUR TAXES subsidize the education of resident students,

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