Warner dusts off 55 mph Speed Limit

Warner dusts off 55 mph Speed Limit

There are 60 comments on the Peak Oil News & Message Boards- Forums story from Jul 27, 2008, titled Warner dusts off 55 mph Speed Limit. In it, Peak Oil News & Message Boards- Forums reports that:

Warner, who is not running for re-election this year, wrote to U.S. Secretary of Energy Sam Bodman, asking "at what speed is the typical vehicle traveling on America's highways today most fuel efficient?" ...

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Since: Aug 08

United States

#50 Aug 30, 2008
16grandkids wrote:
<quoted text>the way song bird: my foot print is large and will remain so, even if I have to dig the coal myself to heat with and power with.
Did you just tell me to '(get out of the) way song bird(litesong)'? Your derision is nothing more than white America & supressive tactics used on native tribes, black people, women, & the planet Earth.

If you dig the coal, are you also going to make your 16 grand kids live & breath downwind from the coal-fired power plant? Your arrogance suggests you will.

“Retired Master Gunny USMC”

Since: Jul 08

Las Vegas

#51 Aug 30, 2008
litesong wrote:
<quoted text>
Did you just tell me to '(get out of the) way song bird(litesong)'? Your derision is nothing more than white America & supressive tactics used on native tribes, black people, women, & the planet Earth.
If you dig the coal, are you also going to make your 16 grand kids live & breath downwind from the coal-fired power plant? Your arrogance suggests you will.
Sorry bird brain, but yes, I would live down wind from a coal power plant, todays plants are clean and pollute very little.

Also I would live near a Nuke plant, most of France does and has never had a problem.

As for being a Racist, which you just called me, I am not. I am blessed with raising four of my grandkids, they are half white and half black,( Note there is no - before there nationality, they are just Americans )

Their Father was black, he received a bad Conduct Discahge from the Army ( Drugs ), then he left her when she was six months along with her last child.( Another note: he didn't see his fourth child till after she was a year old )

A week after a Black man killed her by shooting 10 times into her front door, And by the way, the black man walked, YA, 10 witnesses All black, where afraid to testify at the trail, seems they had a bit of a yellow strip painted on there backs.
Afraid of the gang the coward belonged to.

Also its been five plus years since that May 18th day, we have yet to see a dime in child support for these kids, nor has he tried to see the kids, but then, his life would be in danger if he tried any way.

I am a legal immigrant to this nation, came here in 1954 at the age of five, my parents never owned a slave, never fought the indians never depressed the female gender, as for the earth it was placed here for our use, and all natural resources there in.

Also, unlike 80% of the people who enjoy the freedoms of this great nation, I have fought for her and bleed for her, and unlike most would do so again.

So before you call me a racist, go back to your socialist mirror, take a deep breath, cause you seem to be the racist to me.

“Did U plug the damn hole yet?”

Since: Jan 08

Dallas, TX

#52 Aug 31, 2008
16grandkids wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry bird brain, but yes, I would live down wind from a coal power plant, todays plants are clean and pollute very little.
It seems there are people who are opposed to every form of energy we can think of.

Coal has many critics.

Nuclear power has almost as many.

I visited a website yesterday where all of the critics are against wind power.

They claim it's noisy, unsightly, kills wildlife and is only 30% efficent in operation.

And I'm sure there is some truth to what everyone says.

But they all overlook the benefits of energy and how it improves our standard of living.

Practically everyone has one favorite form of energy that they insist on to the exclusion of everything else, and that seems too close minded for me.
Kastelruther Spatzen

Farmington, MI

#53 Sep 11, 2008
Windpower won't make it. By the time the wind turns all the turbines in TX and OK there won't be enough wind left to power any turbines farther north.

UNLESS we hire Litesong to give a speech somewhere in OK. Then there will be plenty of hot air. The turbines may throw up, but I guess that's a risk we'll have to take.

He could get on his NA soapbox and blather on and on and on..........

“Did U plug the damn hole yet?”

Since: Jan 08

Dallas, TX

#55 Sep 11, 2008
Zonker wrote:
Jimmy Carter tried to tell Americans we had to change in 1977. People got angry and turned on him for telling them to cut energy use and develop alternative energy sources.
Were Americans the only ones who disagreed with the idiot peanut farmer from Georgia?

After all these years every other country in the world still depends on fossil fuel also.

“Evolve”

Since: Dec 07

GJ, CO

#56 Sep 11, 2008
I feel terribly guilty saying this...but I get sooooo sleepy on longer trips if I am restricted to 55 mph. It is a real difficulty for others I have spoken to about this problem.
Comments?

“Did U plug the damn hole yet?”

Since: Jan 08

Dallas, TX

#59 Sep 11, 2008
Zonker wrote:
<quoted text>
But many nations import far less than we do. And many nations are serious about cutting fossil fuel usage.
It's not about depending on it, it's how much you must buy from foreign sources.
We've got to reduce our dependence on foreign oil. Our biggest import nation is Canada. Canada is a great nation, but it does America no good to be buying all that oil from Canada at roughly $100 per barrel.
I agree that we have to reduce our dependance on foreign oil.

But too many Democrats refuse to compromise and allow more drilling for US oil or building nuclear power plants.

“Did U plug the damn hole yet?”

Since: Jan 08

Dallas, TX

#61 Sep 12, 2008
Zonker wrote:
<quoted text>
Cheney got his energy plan passed.
No mention of new drilling or nuclear plants in the Cheney plan.
But once prices rose dramatically in 2007-2008, the drilling thing was picked up by th eRepublican PArty as a bumper sticker platform.
I'm all for lots of nuclear power plants. I have reservations on drilling.
The oil in the ground was worth $11 per barrel in Jimmy Carter's time, now over $100. In a few years, it could be worth $200 or more.
With oil running out worldwide, our reserves must be stretched.
I don't foresee a time when we will not need oil. If not for cars, then for producing the millions of items that require petrochemicals.
Saving our remaining reserves was national policy for years. Use others' oil, save ours for when the others run out.
The dramatic increase in oil prices changed the conversation.
You will never see gasoline under $3 again. Not ever. No matter how much we drill.
All newly discovered oil will sell at world market prices and the profits will go to the oil companies.
The consumer will still pay thru the nose.
"No mention of new drilling or nuclear plants in the Cheney plan."

I don't know about nuclear power plants since that is an initative being pushed by the next president not the current one.

But Cheney did want to drill in ANWR and that provision was removed under threat of fillibuster by the Democrats.

I don't believe in the grand schemes to leave the oil in the ground till it's worth more than gold.

I takes years to survey land and drill wells for production and we can't afford to wait till we run out of existing reserves to begin looking for more.

“Evolve”

Since: Dec 07

GJ, CO

#63 Sep 12, 2008
Zonker wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm not against drilling. I just want to make sure it is part of a new energy policy.
In the past, drilling WAS the energy policy.
I've come to the conclusion that the only way to motivate right-wing Bubbas and Bubbettes AND left-wing "old hippies" that don't understand modern drilling or nuclear power is to have gas prices as high as possible. Sky-high. Even though that means suffering with higher prices for everything. ESPECIALLY since that means higher prices for everything.

It isn't just the fathomless stupidity of being dependent on hostile foreign entities for energy, it's the idiocy of being dependent upon ANY one source of energy.
litesong

United States

#64 Sep 12, 2008
16grandkids wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry bird brain. So before you call me a racist, go back to your socialist mirror, take a deep breath, cause you seem to be the racist to me.
Of course, I never called you racist. I said you used the same tactics as racists. You used your family history to justify your derisive comments toward me.

I am Snohomish Tribe, family of Elsbeth & see the obvious waste that Americans pour out of their tailpipes & chimneys with no regard to Mother Earth.

Many posts here justify that waste. Unsaid by the wasters is that no oil wars would have been necessary & far less pollution & negative changes to Earth would have occurred if people loved the Earth & drove 50MPG vehicles instead of 15MPG vehicles & drove 55MPH.

Only people's waste has led to killing, wars, murders, negative balance of payments that bleeds the U.S., & pollution. Feather footers, 50MPG cars, slower speeds, lower thermostat settings in homes while wearing warmer cloths, & real conservation would have saved America & its people lots of trouble.

“Did U plug the damn hole yet?”

Since: Jan 08

Dallas, TX

#65 Sep 12, 2008
Zonker wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm not against drilling. I just want to make sure it is part of a new energy policy.
In the past, drilling WAS the energy policy.
That isn't true.

We have thousands of windmills around the country that wouldn't exist if drilling were all there was.

But they were put up by the private sector without the heavy hand of governemnt intervention or mandates.

I don't know anyone who is against alternative energy.

We just want it to be practical and affordable.

“Evolve”

Since: Dec 07

GJ, CO

#66 Sep 12, 2008
litesong wrote:
<quoted text>
Of course, I never called you racist. I said you used the same tactics as racists. You used your family history to justify your derisive comments toward me.
I am Snohomish Tribe, family of Elsbeth & see the obvious waste that Americans pour out of their tailpipes & chimneys with no regard to Mother Earth.
Many posts here justify that waste. Unsaid by the wasters is that no oil wars would have been necessary & far less pollution & negative changes to Earth would have occurred if people loved the Earth & drove 50MPG vehicles instead of 15MPG vehicles & drove 55MPH.
Only people's waste has led to killing, wars, murders, negative balance of payments that bleeds the U.S., & pollution. Feather footers, 50MPG cars, slower speeds, lower thermostat settings in homes while wearing warmer cloths, & real conservation would have saved America & its people lots of trouble.
Conservation MUST be a part of energy independence, no matter how well or how soon we convert to alternative energies.
Here's a conundrum; as materials scientists and engineers made cars more and more energy-efficient, THOSE CARS JUST GOT BIGGER! Which, of course, negated any conservation that could have been the benefit of all those advances.
litesong

United States

#67 Sep 12, 2008
LWsciencejunkie wrote:
as materials scientists and engineers made cars more and more energy-efficient, THOSE CARS JUST GOT BIGGER.
Yeah, they sure did. That's why I kept my Ford Festiva, knowing $4 per gallon gas would come because so many people wasted gas. Tho Festiva is 20 years old, its still getting 52MPG with good feather footing. But there are still good high MPG cars, even if you stay away from the hybrid cars. Honda Fit & Toyota Yaris can AVERAGE over 40 MPG. One Honda Fit driver AVERAGES 48MPG. My wife let me drive her Hyundai Accent & I got 45+MPG going over a 1400 foot mountain pass & 42.6 MPG going over a 5500 foot mountain pass near Mt. Rainier. If people want high MPG, they can get high MPG & not have to pay a high Hybrid price. Feather footing will give you 20% better MPG than lead footers get.

“Did U plug the damn hole yet?”

Since: Jan 08

Dallas, TX

#69 Sep 12, 2008
Zonker wrote:
""it's the idiocy of being dependent upon ANY one source of energy.""
Cheap oil (ng & coal), made other energy forms extremely expensive by comparison.
We've got to make up ground fast, the price of oil rose faster than anyone thought.
Cheney gave speeches when he was head of Halliburton telling other oilmen that the oil was running out. That was 10 years ago.
I don't think making oil more expensive than it has to be is the best idea.

If we have enough oil to keep prices lower then that is just the way it is.

Competators such as wind and sunlight will have to keep working on their technology till they can stand on their own.

“Evolve”

Since: Dec 07

GJ, CO

#71 Sep 12, 2008
Mac-7 wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't think making oil more expensive than it has to be is the best idea.
If we have enough oil to keep prices lower then that is just the way it is.
Competators such as wind and sunlight will have to keep working on their technology till they can stand on their own.
All I can tell you is that, to my disgust, Americans have been complacently guzzling petrol for 33 years since the Arab oil embargo. NOW, we are actually sending our own to die and spending billions of tax dollars to keep the world safe for oil barons and Arab princes to sell us crude and jerk us around because of our dependency.

ONLY when the price of gas goes up do Americans take notice...and really, I'm not convinced Bubba and Bubbette really HAVE taken energy independence seriously. Only when they really can't afford their gas-guzzlers and their motorized toys will there be anything like the kind of wholehearted, unified effort behind alternative energies and conservation.

It just kills me. Americans used to be patriotic enough to practice the discipline required to deny our nation's enemies any advantage. If the Japanese in WWII had been the source of some commodity that the US had become dependent upon, NO WAY would we have stood for it. Purchasing that Japanese commodity would have been considered treason.

We should long ago- especially since 9/11- have been rationing gas and taxing the hell out of it in order to become energy independent. Energy independence should have the same intensity as the war effort back in the days following Pearl Harbor.

“Evolve”

Since: Dec 07

GJ, CO

#72 Sep 12, 2008
Zonker wrote:
""it's the idiocy of being dependent upon ANY one source of energy.""
Cheap oil (ng & coal), made other energy forms extremely expensive by comparison.
We've got to make up ground fast, the price of oil rose faster than anyone thought.
Cheney gave speeches when he was head of Halliburton telling other oilmen that the oil was running out. That was 10 years ago.
Yes; that's what I said- and I meant it. Just like the potato-famine Irish, who became totally dependent on one food source, only to have potato blight hit, destroying that food source. Just as wise investors ALWAYS diversify their investments.
And, one way or another, we might as well assume oil to become a more and more scarce commodity. The exploding economies of India, China and the rest of the "developing" world are now competing with the west for petroleum. AND THERE ARE A LOT MORE CHINESE AND INDIANS than there are all westerners put together.
May Cheney be right for once in his blighted and benighted life and the Arabs indeed run out of crude.

“Did U plug the damn hole yet?”

Since: Jan 08

Dallas, TX

#73 Sep 12, 2008
LWsciencejunkie wrote:
<quoted text>
NOW, we are actually sending our own to die and spending billions of tax dollars to keep the world safe for oil barons and Arab princes to sell us crude and jerk us around because of our dependency.
Not for the oil barons (who strangely enough are now investors like the public teachers unions and other ordinary people with oil company stock), not for the oil barons and Arab shieks but for the public who depend on the oil that they produce.

Let Iran or some other rogue state cut off the flow of oil to the world and millions will die before the first shot is fired in anger.

How would a care flight move a crash victim to a specialist hospital without fuel?

How would farmers bring in their crops without fertilizer and fuel?

How would the food be distributed?

Who would have money to buy it when the economy has ground to a halt for lack of energy?

“Did U plug the damn hole yet?”

Since: Jan 08

Dallas, TX

#74 Sep 12, 2008
LWsciencejunkie wrote:
<quoted text>

We should long ago- especially since 9/11- have been rationing gas and taxing the hell out of it in order to become energy independent. Energy independence should have the same intensity as the war effort back in the days following Pearl Harbor.
But I honestly don't see what you're mad at the oil companies about.

They want to find and produce more oil.

Which does not prevent others from putting up windmills.

Or anyone else from building nuclear power plants that do not require fossil fuels.
litesong

Marysville, WA

#75 Dec 17, 2011
litesong wrote:
Yeah, they sure did. That's why I kept my Ford Festiva, knowing $4 per gallon gas would come because so many people wasted gas. Tho Festiva is 20 years old, its still getting 52MPG with good feather footing. But there are still good high MPG cars, even if you stay away from the hybrid cars. Honda Fit & Toyota Yaris can AVERAGE over 40 MPG. One Honda Fit driver AVERAGES 48MPG. My wife let me drive her Hyundai Accent & I got 45+MPG going over a 1400 foot mountain pass & 42.6 MPG going over a 5500 foot mountain pass near Mt. Rainier. If people want high MPG, they can get high MPG & not have to pay a high Hybrid price. Feather footing will give you 20% better MPG than lead footers get.
Blast from the past:

Here's an update on high mpg cars that aren't hybrids or diesels. The 3000+ pound Chevy Eco Cruise, with its manual transmission, 1.4 liter turbo-charged engine has many drivers reporting high 40 mpg & even 50mpg on the highway. The manual transmission Hyundai Elantra with its very wide rear shoulder width room for 3 people obtains 45mpg with easy driving on the highway. Mazda 2 & Ford Focus can also drive beyond 40mpg easily.

However, at fueleconomy.gov the all-electric Nissan Leaf is registering well beyond 100mpg equivalents, even as high as 138mpg.
litesong

Lake Stevens, WA

#76 Saturday Jun 25
Blast from the Past! In the midst of the terrible recession (depression for millions of people & not over yet for millions more), was this thread about the possible renewal of the 55mph speed limit. However, the thread most often spoke of other measures, including safety, vehicle size, & various technologies. Kicking off the recession was a general collapse in the auto industry. As mentioned below, the most dramatic was the 20% loss of sales in low mpg truck purchases for lots of reasons, including loss of jobs & ever higher gas prices.
litesong wrote:
<quoted text>
As much as U.S. citizens complain about taxes, local & federal taxes on gasoline & diesel is much lower(7+times?) than European taxes on gasoline & diesel. The U.S. domestically supplies a larger share of its fuel than Europe too. Those tax & domestic supply differences really disguise the action of supply & demand fuel prices between the U.S. & Europe. But supply & demand is still at work. What isn't disguised...as fuel prices quickly rose stratospherically, Americans within months cut their wasteful fuel usage by chopping fuel intensive truck purchases by 20%. Many of the working poor, unable to buy fuel for vehicles, began using Public transit even at its most inconvenient, to get to work. Of course, chops in business & loss of jobs, also cut U.S. road travel. With the near immediate 5% chops in U.S. road travel, high fuel prices were unsustainable & fuel prices have slide ~10%.
Yes, the wasteful fuel usage of America has been used successfully to curtail fuel prices...by chopping fuel waste. We could chop waste more. If oil producers try to raise prices to $5 or $6, Americans would chop their wasteful use. If fuel prices got high enough, the large majority of Americans would drive 50MPG cars....like my cars...or like European vehicles.

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