Warner dusts off 55 mph Speed Limit

There are 59 comments on the Peak Oil News & Message Boards- Forums story from Jul 27, 2008, titled Warner dusts off 55 mph Speed Limit. In it, Peak Oil News & Message Boards- Forums reports that:

Warner, who is not running for re-election this year, wrote to U.S. Secretary of Energy Sam Bodman, asking "at what speed is the typical vehicle traveling on America's highways today most fuel efficient?" ...

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“Did U plug the damn hole yet?”

Since: Jan 08

Richardson, TX

#27 Aug 16, 2008
Reson wrote:
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Nah I don't agree. It was the manufacturers of these behemoths that shoved them down your throat. afterall, the bigger they come, the more profit there is to make off each unit. I drive by my local Ford dealer everday going to work, his bullpen is jammed full of explorers & expeditions collecting dust, poor fellow , he can't even give 'em away at cost now.
Do you really think the car companies made the public buy products that the consumers didn't want?

I believe the public prefers large cars for comfort and safety and perhaps status, but will settle for smaller ones if they have to.

Since: May 08

Burbank, CA

#28 Aug 16, 2008
litesong wrote:
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I test drove the Rabbit diesel once. Didn't like the smokey pollution or noise. Consumer Reports said the Rabbit had some reliability problems too.
Feather footers could drive the Rabbit diesel(& small gas cars) from Everett to Riverside using less than 24 gallons. I-5 is boring. I travel into eastern Washington, Oregon & California for unique experiences & photos...probably hit Idaho, Utah, Nevada & Arizona while on my way to Riverside. Fifty plus MPG cars, 55MPH speeds & feather footing lets you stay away from clogged roads, enjoying the beauty & wildness still available in the U.S.
Indeed it is, everytime I went to Eugene or further north, I would hop on the 97 in Weed & run it to Oregon hwy 58 to avoid the roller coaster ride through the siskyous. Almost the same distance mileage wise too. My favorite rest stop was Salt Creek Falls Oregon's 2nd biggest waterfall about 20 miles east of Oakridge on 58. Back in the 90's that rest area was free, my understanding now is that they charge a fee, what a bummer.

Since: May 08

Burbank, CA

#29 Aug 16, 2008
Mac-7 wrote:
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Do you really think the car companies made the public buy products that the consumers didn't want?
I believe the public prefers large cars for comfort and safety and perhaps status, but will settle for smaller ones if they have to.
Of course comfort and safety sells, the bigger the vehicle, the better the comfort and the best safety. Manufacturers & dealerships drove those 2 points home very well.

Since: Dec 07

Atlanta

#32 Aug 18, 2008
Zonker wrote:
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And yet you won't reveal what you're driving, or the gear ratio of 5th gear or the ratio of the rear-end! Or even whether it's front or rear wheel drive.
So I'll take an arrogant guess and figure you're driving some American POS V-8 RWD. Firebird, maybe? Or the General Lee?
If so, decent mileage is not even a possibility. If you can't go into 5th without the throttle you claim, it must be an interesting ride.
Buy a Honda.
"reveal what I'm driving"? When the hell did anyone ask that? I wasn't aware that I was to offer that up to you. Perhaps my clairvoyance is slipping lately and I didn't perceive you needed that info. See usually people ask questions first, then get a response. Or do you think everyone needs to justify themselves to you right off the bat?

Ohh and wrong again douche bag! I got a foreign car!

Hell, now this games fun. Let's let you make an ass of yourself all day, you got 5 guesses to figure it out and you already used two.

Since: Dec 07

Atlanta

#33 Aug 18, 2008
Zonker wrote:
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I've never taken my 'cycle for a drive', but I frequently take my bike for a ride.
Bikes get pretty crappy mileage, all things considered. Unless you have a small displacement bike. V-Twins are not mileage bikes.
Never claimed that it was. Although I do get around 36 mpg out of my V-Twin, which is way better than most cars!

Since: Aug 08

United States

#34 Aug 19, 2008
Zonker wrote:
<quoted text>V-Twins are not mileage bikes.
Don't V-Twins get fairly decent MPG if they are designed & driven to get good MPG? Pretty sure 2 cylinder bikes of some designs have to beat 4 & 6 cylinder bikes.

Since: Aug 08

United States

#35 Aug 19, 2008
Mac-7 wrote:
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The Euro's all drive tiny little shoebox cars and they still have to buy oil and gas from Russia.
So I guess it isn't as simple as you think.
As much as U.S. citizens complain about taxes, local & federal taxes on gasoline & diesel is much lower(7+times?) than European taxes on gasoline & diesel. The U.S. domestically supplies a larger share of its fuel than Europe too. Those tax & domestic supply differences really disguise the action of supply & demand fuel prices between the U.S. & Europe. But supply & demand is still at work. What isn't disguised...as fuel prices quickly rose stratospherically, Americans within months cut their wasteful fuel usage by chopping fuel intensive truck purchases by 20%. Many of the working poor, unable to buy fuel for vehicles, began using Public transit even at its most inconvenient, to get to work. Of course, chops in business & loss of jobs, also cut U.S. road travel. With the near immediate 5% chops in U.S. road travel, high fuel prices were unsustainable & fuel prices have slide ~10%.
Yes, the wasteful fuel usage of America has been used successfully to curtail fuel prices...by chopping fuel waste. We could chop waste more. If oil producers try to raise prices to $5 or $6, Americans would chop their wasteful use. If fuel prices got high enough, the large majority of Americans would drive 50MPG cars....like my cars...or like European vehicles.

“Did U plug the damn hole yet?”

Since: Jan 08

Richardson, TX

#36 Aug 21, 2008
litesong wrote:
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Yes, the wasteful fuel usage of America has been used successfully to curtail fuel prices...by chopping fuel waste. We could chop waste more. If oil producers try to raise prices to $5 or $6, Americans would chop their wasteful use. If fuel prices got high enough, the large majority of Americans would drive 50MPG cars....like my cars...or like European vehicles.
One person's waste is another person's job.

Goodyear announced itís closing 92 stores and firing 600 people because demand for tires is down due to fewer miles being driven.

So it isnít all roses for everyone.

You know that the price of fuel even in Europe is not naturally $10.00 a gallon.

That price represents the repressive taxes that the the Euro's have to pay.

America is not Europe.

We are a bigger nation, more spread out that the Old World you are comparing us to.

So one size does not fit all here.

Since: Aug 08

Verona, PA

#37 Aug 21, 2008
Mac-7 wrote:
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One person's waste is another person's job.
Goodyear announced itís closing 92 stores and firing 600 people because demand for tires is down due to fewer miles being driven.
So it isnít all roses for everyone.
You know that the price of fuel even in Europe is not naturally $10.00 a gallon.
That price represents the repressive taxes that the the Euro's have to pay.
America is not Europe.
We are a bigger nation, more spread out that the Old World you are comparing us to.
So one size does not fit all here.
Yes, people are losing jobs now because other people no longer can afford to waste. But it is America's great waste that gives us flexibility. We can cut back on fuel usage & still live, & that is our present hope. In recessions, the poor & newly poor are taking devastating blows because they no longer have flexibility.

But it is efficiency, not waste, that we must depend on to lift all people in society. Wasting resources, as we all see now, was only a temporary help to people. Only continuous increasingly efficient use of resources can lead to continuous help for all people.

Efficient use leads to more capability. Waste is a deadend.

Previously, I mentioned all the stuff you did about Europe. You just echoed my statement. & you were the first to mention Europe.

Since: Aug 08

Verona, PA

#38 Aug 21, 2008
Reson wrote:
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Nah I don't agree. It was the manufacturers of these behemoths that shoved them down your throat.
No manufacturer ever shoved a behemoth down my throat. From the beginning I went for fuel efficiency, even when friends laughed at me.

No vehicle company forces you to buy their low MPG product, when higher MPG products are available, specially when high MPG vehicles are cheaper than low MPG vehicles. Behemoth owners own behemoths because they don't care about high MPG, were rich enough to pay the fuel prices, didn't care about pollution, or the out of whack balance-of-payments of the U.S.

“Did U plug the damn hole yet?”

Since: Jan 08

Richardson, TX

#39 Aug 21, 2008
litesong wrote:
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Yes, people are losing jobs now because other people no longer can afford to waste. But it is America's great waste that gives us flexibility. We can cut back on fuel usage & still live, & that is our present hope. In recessions, the poor & newly poor are taking devastating blows because they no longer have flexibility.
But it is efficiency, not waste, that we must depend on to lift all people in society. Wasting resources, as we all see now, was only a temporary help to people. Only continuous increasingly efficient use of resources can lead to continuous help for all people.
Efficient use leads to more capability. Waste is a deadend.
Previously, I mentioned all the stuff you did about Europe. You just echoed my statement. & you were the first to mention Europe.
I really disagree with you here.

America doesn't use too much energy.

We just aren't producing as much as we should be.

We need nuclear power plants, windmills, sunpower and more offshore drilling to continue the American Dream not strangle it by trying to get by with less.

“Did U plug the damn hole yet?”

Since: Jan 08

Richardson, TX

#40 Aug 21, 2008
litesong wrote:
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No vehicle company forces you to buy their low MPG product, when higher MPG products are available, specially when high MPG vehicles are cheaper than low MPG vehicles.
At least we agree on something.

Since: Aug 08

Verona, PA

#41 Aug 21, 2008
Mac-7 wrote:
<quoted text>We need to continue the American Dream not strangle it by trying to get by with less.
I have not said the above. I say efficiency must be part of the American Dream. It is waste that is making the American Dream tough for many to obtain. Efficiency in our personal lives, in our businesses, companies, & politics make the American Dream possible for more people.

“Did U plug the damn hole yet?”

Since: Jan 08

Richardson, TX

#42 Aug 21, 2008
litesong wrote:
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I have not said the above. I say efficiency must be part of the American Dream. It is waste that is making the American Dream tough for many to obtain. Efficiency in our personal lives, in our businesses, companies, & politics make the American Dream possible for more people.
OK.

Waste offends you and that is understandable.

But you use such derisive language when you talk about people who want to drive larger cars that I think you may have forgotten that the American Dream is in some ways based on excess.

We dream big and then to make it happen we often do what non-Americans consider the impossible.

Maybe we can find a middle ground that serves the interests of everyone since we seem to be in an energy jam at the moment.

But very few people seem interested in the best short term energy conservation measure we could use.

And that is the 55 mph speed limit that is the subject of this topic.

“Retired Master Gunny USMC”

Since: Jul 08

Las Vegas

#43 Aug 21, 2008
55 will not do anyone any good except local governments, people will not do that speed, hell we didn't do it after that Jurk Nixion placed it into effect.

Get Real, time to drill for what we have here, stop importing oil from nations tat have only one purpose in mind, sending the USA into a third world type situation.

Build the coal plants, drill, drill for our natural gas ( go to Alaska, you will see it burning or being pumped back into the ground )
Build the nuke plants, do some windmills, they are ugly, and do more harm then good.
Power from the sun, LOL, go ahead, batties are lead based, and the acid well, whats worse you enviro nut cakes.

We import, what, 70% or more of the energy resources we us, and you have no clue how to rid ourselves of petty dictaitors, it's here we will go get it.

“Did U plug the damn hole yet?”

Since: Jan 08

Richardson, TX

#44 Aug 21, 2008
16grandkids wrote:
55 will not do anyone any good except local governments, people will not do that speed, hell we didn't do it after that Jurk Nixion placed it into effect.
Get Real, time to drill for what we have here, stop importing oil from nations tat have only one purpose in mind, sending the USA into a third world type situation.
Build the coal plants, drill, drill for our natural gas ( go to Alaska, you will see it burning or being pumped back into the ground )
Build the nuke plants, do some windmills, they are ugly, and do more harm then good.
Power from the sun, LOL, go ahead, batties are lead based, and the acid well, whats worse you enviro nut cakes.
We import, what, 70% or more of the energy resources we us, and you have no clue how to rid ourselves of petty dictaitors, it's here we will go get it.
Like I said, very few people want to get by with less by slowing down to 55 mph.

Or driving those little shoebox cars either.
NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS

United States

#45 Aug 21, 2008
Reson wrote:
They aint got no 55 mph crap in europe and they been payin a lot for their gas for a long time.
Well how fast can they go in Europe?

Since: Aug 08

Verona, PA

#47 Aug 21, 2008
16grandkids wrote:
55 will not do anyone any good. Get Real.
do some windmills, they are ugly, and do more harm then good.
batties are lead based, and the acid well, whats worse you enviro nut cakes.
We import, what, 70% or more of the energy resources.
55MPH does me plenty of good. Read my earlier posts on this thread...50+MPG 10 gallon cars & slow driving let me pay $38 to fill my tank rather than $175 to fill the 44 gallon tank of a gas guzzler truck...& I still travel further with my 10 gallon car. We import 70% of our energy sources because of the 44 gallon gas guzzlers, not the 10 gallon fuel sippers!
The U.S. lead-acid battery recycling program is the best of U.S. recycling programs because of environmentalists. Future Nickel Cadmium & Lithium Ion Phosphate batteries should fit directly into the U.S. battery recycling program.
My Northwest U.S. is generating increasing amounts of electricity from wind turbines(not windmills). I pass through cities on my electric bicycle with 1/700th the pollution of an internal combustion engined(ICE) car...& none of the pollution is deposited inside towns or cities as ICE pours its pollution into cities. Matter of fact, my electric bicycle puts less pollution into cities than an athlete running on city streets.

“Retired Master Gunny USMC”

Since: Jul 08

Las Vegas

#48 Aug 29, 2008
litesong wrote:
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55MPH does me plenty of good. Read my earlier posts on this thread...50+MPG 10 gallon cars & slow driving let me pay $38 to fill my tank rather than $175 to fill the 44 gallon tank of a gas guzzler truck...& I still travel further with my 10 gallon car. We import 70% of our energy sources because of the 44 gallon gas guzzlers, not the 10 gallon fuel sippers!
The U.S. lead-acid battery recycling program is the best of U.S. recycling programs because of environmentalists. Future Nickel Cadmium & Lithium Ion Phosphate batteries should fit directly into the U.S. battery recycling program.
My Northwest U.S. is generating increasing amounts of electricity from wind turbines(not windmills). I pass through cities on my electric bicycle with 1/700th the pollution of an internal combustion engined(ICE) car...& none of the pollution is deposited inside towns or cities as ICE pours its pollution into cities. Matter of fact, my electric bicycle puts less pollution into cities than an athlete running on city streets.
Hey song bird, like the song says, "I Can't Do 55"

You can pass all the laws you want, this lead foot will not do 55 on our freeways, Like they say in Nascar, Turn left and drive like hell.

Drill, Drill, Drill, it's here, we have oil, natural gas, coal out of our As*,( Heck Germany made 90% of there gas and diesel from coal in the '30's and '40's , wake up smell the bullshi* the demorats are passing and feeding you.

Stop letting the socialist tell you how to live, take control of you life, drink, smoke, eat whatever you want and drive like tomorrow is the last day of you life.

By the way we drive a 10 passenger van, a real suv and I drive a truck, my foot print is in your a*s LOL

“Retired Master Gunny USMC”

Since: Jul 08

Las Vegas

#49 Aug 29, 2008
16grandkids wrote:
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Hey song bird, like the song says, "I Can't Do 55"
You can pass all the laws you want, this lead foot will not do 55 on our freeways, Like they say in Nascar, Turn left and drive like hell.
Drill, Drill, Drill, it's here, we have oil, natural gas, coal out of our As*,( Heck Germany made 90% of there gas and diesel from coal in the '30's and '40's , wake up smell the bullshi* the demorats are passing and feeding you.
Stop letting the socialist tell you how to live, take control of you life, drink, smoke, eat whatever you want and drive like tomorrow is the last day of you life.
By the way we drive a 10 passenger van, a real suv and I drive a truck, my foot print is in your a*s LOL
the way song bird:

My brother worked in a battery recycling plant in the '70's, they moved, sent there operations to Mexico and nationist China, to many regulations here, so they are just polluting more then ever there.

Wind power Kills LOL, birds and other animals, PETA will stop it, also the foot print for wind power is very large, lots of steal, a big hole in the ground to hold them down, and the cost fare exceeds clean coal, or natural gas fired plants, as well a nuke plants and power from our damms.

So, keep blowing your bull, my foot print is large and will remain so, even if I have to dig the coal myself to heat with and power with.

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