Warner dusts off 55 mph Speed Limit

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Warner, who is not running for re-election this year, wrote to U.S. Secretary of Energy Sam Bodman, asking "at what speed is the typical vehicle traveling on America's highways today most fuel efficient?" ...

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Jul 28, 2008
 
This is not the answer.

In reality, this will only be a CASH cow for state and local governments to be able to raise needed funds in the guise of traffic tickets.

I would find it hard to believe Warner would actually drive 55 mph, even now.

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They aint got no 55 mph crap in europe and they been payin a lot for their gas for a long time.
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Aug 4, 2008
 
Work on eliminating bottle necks on our highways to reduce the likelihood of traffic backups. Synchronize lights to improve traffic flow. Most cars have great aerodynamics and fuel savings between 55 and 70 are very small. The key to good gas mileage is reducing the need to accelerate and braking. Setting the speed limit to the 85th percentile of drivers will greatly enhance safety and fuel economy because 85% of vehicles will all be going roughly the same speed.

Set the speed limit to 55, it is guaranteed that 90 of drivers will ignore and deviate from that speed and at the same time create tension and disrespect for the law and law enforcement.

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Aug 5, 2008
 
A reasonable Solution wrote:
Work on eliminating bottle necks on our highways to reduce the likelihood of traffic backups. Synchronize lights to improve traffic flow. Most cars have great aerodynamics and fuel savings between 55 and 70 are very small. The key to good gas mileage is reducing the need to accelerate and braking. Setting the speed limit to the 85th percentile of drivers will greatly enhance safety and fuel economy because 85% of vehicles will all be going roughly the same speed.
Set the speed limit to 55, it is guaranteed that 90 of drivers will ignore and deviate from that speed and at the same time create tension and disrespect for the law and law enforcement.
Bring back the 55 mph law & it will be just like it was last time, the CHP will single out the easier catches, truckers.

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Aug 6, 2008
 
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Your lack of understanding is part of the problem. The items you mentioned make sense, but your statement that 'fuel savings between 55 and 70 are very small' is completely wrong, and indicates real ignorance on your part. Until people change their thinking, we will make little progress on saving oil.
Basically, every mph over 55 costs you 1% in fuel economy.Driving at 70 cuts your fuel economy by at least 15%.. If that's 'very small', I'd like your definition of true savings. LOL
"The limit became increasingly unpopular and was repealed in 1995. Now you can do 65 mph on most of Interstate 580 in the East Bay all the way down to I-5, where 70 mph is the rule and 80 mph a common practice.
But as a gas-saving device, 55 mph still works. The Malibu got 35 mpg on the way down to Kettleman City; coming back from the Kings County settlement of fast-food restaurants and gas stations at the flow of traffic, a bit over 70 mph, the mileage dropped sharply -- to 25 mpg.
"That's pretty significant,'' said Sean Comey, spokesman for AAA of Northern California. "More than I would have expected.''
For every mile per hour faster than 55 mph, fuel economy drops by about 1 percent, said Jason Mark, clean vehicles program director for the Union of Concerned Scientists. The drop-off increases at a greater rate after 65 mph. The faster you go, the faster the fuel goes. "
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi...
Dream on, aint nobody gonna drive 55. Life is lived in the fast lane so get used to it.

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Aug 7, 2008
 
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Intelligent people will drive 55. Many already are. More will, when they realize the savings, and are tired of wasting fuel.
The idiots will always be with us. They're the ones who think they have to go fast.
The times they are a'changin.
You sure take a lot for granted hailing from 3,000 miles away. Sorry Holmes, you don't know Californians like I do ;>)
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The 85MPH speeders don't want to pay bigger fines than they are already paying. Such would be the case with a 55 MPG limit. The 85MPH speeders like little kids, defiantly honk, swerve & intimidate people to get out of their way. They come onto websites like this to demean people who want better MPG, safer roadways, less money going to oil-rich enemies of the U.S., & reductions in national foreign payments.
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Dream on, aint nobody gonna drive 55. Life is lived in the fast lane so get used to it.
Life is exciting in the slow lane too. Love planet Earth & it showers gifts of beauty to my eyes continually. Going slower, I get to see that beauty longer. I have many extraordinary landscape photos because I look at it slowly as I feather foot along my way. I gain 20% better MPG than lead footers. My small cars extend my MPG edge extraordinarily with my last 3 mountain traveling tanks of gas averaging 51.3 MPG. The last tank gave 50.8MPG while traversing mountain ups & downs of 11,000 feet! One slow Honda Fit driver averages 48MPG. One Toyota Yaris driver nailed down 60MPG while traveling thru Yellowstone Nat'l Park...slowly.

Fast is not better. Burning up the highway, only burns up your fuel. I'll keep my fuel money in my pocket, so I can travel further than you & explore more than you. You don't need to pay a big Hybrid price to get Hybrid MPG. Just drive smarter & slower.

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Life is exciting in the slow lane too. Love planet Earth & it showers gifts of beauty to my eyes continually. Going slower, I get to see that beauty longer. I have many extraordinary landscape photos because I look at it slowly as I feather foot along my way. I gain 20% better MPG than lead footers. My small cars extend my MPG edge extraordinarily with my last 3 mountain traveling tanks of gas averaging 51.3 MPG. The last tank gave 50.8MPG while traversing mountain ups & downs of 11,000 feet! One slow Honda Fit driver averages 48MPG. One Toyota Yaris driver nailed down 60MPG while traveling thru Yellowstone Nat'l Park...slowly.
Fast is not better. Burning up the highway, only burns up your fuel. I'll keep my fuel money in my pocket, so I can travel further than you & explore more than you. You don't need to pay a big Hybrid price to get Hybrid MPG. Just drive smarter & slower.
I used to know a guy who had a volkswagen rabbit diesel, I envied him so much when he could drive from Everett, Wa. to Riverside, Ca. on 24 gallons of fuel. With my Ford Ranger I would drive that same distance going the same speed 65 mph on that same interstate traveling the same exact route and burn no less than 51 gallons. Diesel cars as well as the price of diesel fuel here in Caleefornia cost a little bit more but are damn well worth it in the long run.

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Your lack of understanding is part of the problem. The items you mentioned make sense, but your statement that 'fuel savings between 55 and 70 are very small' is completely wrong, and indicates real ignorance on your part. Until people change their thinking, we will make little progress on saving oil.
Basically, every mph over 55 costs you 1% in fuel economy.Driving at 70 cuts your fuel economy by at least 15%.. If that's 'very small', I'd like your definition of true savings. LOL
"The limit became increasingly unpopular and was repealed in 1995. Now you can do 65 mph on most of Interstate 580 in the East Bay all the way down to I-5, where 70 mph is the rule and 80 mph a common practice.
But as a gas-saving device, 55 mph still works. The Malibu got 35 mpg on the way down to Kettleman City; coming back from the Kings County settlement of fast-food restaurants and gas stations at the flow of traffic, a bit over 70 mph, the mileage dropped sharply -- to 25 mpg.
"That's pretty significant,'' said Sean Comey, spokesman for AAA of Northern California. "More than I would have expected.''
For every mile per hour faster than 55 mph, fuel economy drops by about 1 percent, said Jason Mark, clean vehicles program director for the Union of Concerned Scientists. The drop-off increases at a greater rate after 65 mph. The faster you go, the faster the fuel goes. "
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi...
This is also a way too general of a statement. Maximum efficiency of many cars are above 55, it depends on the engine and the gear ratios of the individual cars. The fuel efficiently stats you give are way to general. My car for instance at 55 is well within 4th gear (not the most efficient). Driving 55 in 5th is more costly in fuel since 55 is so far out of my car's powerband that to regulate that speed in 5th I needed to give it all the gas I could at times. Not very efficient either.
For my car the the lowest end of the powerband in 5th where I could easily (relatively) regulate the speed was around 65.

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I still say that life is literally lived in the fast lane cause people love speed, if not, we wouldn't fly airliners with jet engines. We wouldn't marvel at the miles per second the shuttle in space can achieve. Where I live, if you can't keep up with the traffic, you better get off the freaking freeway because you will get run over.
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Aug 16, 2008
 
Reson wrote:
I used to know a guy who had a volkswagen rabbit diesel, I envied him so much when he could drive from Everett, Wa. to Riverside, Ca. on 24 gallons of fuel.
I test drove the Rabbit diesel once. Didn't like the smokey pollution or noise. Consumer Reports said the Rabbit had some reliability problems too.
Feather footers could drive the Rabbit diesel(& small gas cars) from Everett to Riverside using less than 24 gallons. I-5 is boring. I travel into eastern Washington, Oregon & California for unique experiences & photos...probably hit Idaho, Utah, Nevada & Arizona while on my way to Riverside. Fifty plus MPG cars, 55MPH speeds & feather footing lets you stay away from clogged roads, enjoying the beauty & wildness still available in the U.S.

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"Warner dusts off 55 mph Speed Limit"

It would save more fuel than the Obamatrons could by inflating everyone's tires.

Maybe we should try doing both.

And drilling for more oil offshore and in ANWR.
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Aug 16, 2008
 
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I drive in 5th gear at speeds above 40mph, providing it's on level terrain. With no lugging or engine noise. The key is, when you need to accelerate, or go uphill, you downshift for that. Then back into 5th for crusing at a steady speed.
There you go! & a few tricks for hills, keeps the hills from taking a lot of MPG away too.
Make sure your timing belt & sparkplug wires are in good condition(change them after 60,000 miles) & pump tires up a bit.
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Aug 16, 2008
 
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<quoted text>The times, they are a'changin. Even for those who think speeding is some sort of birthright. It's not.
I give MPG tips on my car's websites, including slowing your cars down. Used to get the razzberry all the time. Now people seek me out for more MPG tips. Several people who used to move fast, have stated their MPG went up 10% to 20% by slowing down & feather footing.
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Aug 16, 2008
 
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And drilling for more oil offshore and in ANWR.
This is the talk of people with 44 gallon belch-fire super polluter vehicles. My 10 gallon car will travel further than the belchers.

It is the belch-fire super polluters that force the oil companies to dig deeper for expensive oil. It is the belch-fire super polluters going 85MPH that make children who live, school & play near freeways(what a misnomer) sicker than more fortunate children who are further from freeways.

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Zonker wrote:
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You obviously don't understand the crutial point: The faster you go, the more air you must displace. It has far less to do with gearing and engines than it does with aerodynamics. You don't understand the physics involved.
As far as not putting the car in 5th gear at low speeds, you really need to learn to drive standard shift. I drive in 5th gear at speeds above 40mph, providing it's on level terrain. With no lugging or engine noise. The key is, when you need to accelerate, or go uphill, you downshift for that. Then back into 5th for crusing at a steady speed.
Your powerband statements are nonsense. Fifth gear in current cars is barely an overdrive gear. Try to understand Newton's third law of motion.
I know damn well how to drive a standard shift. I autocross on many weekends and have been to many open track days, and know quit a bit about physics too (Principia is sitting on my bookshelf)!

And you need to stop assuming everyone is driving your car. Your inscribing of the ONE physical property of air resistance as the ONLY factor in fuel economy. That shows how little you do know about cars. Yet you arrogantly try to talk down to me as if you’re the one who’s torn down and rebuilt several cars.

And yes my powerband statement IS accurate. Maybe on your car 5th is an overdrive, but that does not hold true universally (and certainly not on mine even with a stock transmission). Some non-performance passenger cars and sedans use an overdrive 5th gear, but are ALL cars non-performance sedans (and even today many of them are using higher ratio 5th and even 6th gears)? I’m sure you think so. Sorry if that doesn’t jive with what you want to believe but go ask any race mechanic (or any mechanic) about when a car gets it’s most efficient fuel economy. Aerodynamics is just ONE factor among many. Why the hell do you think race drivers start to “short shift” to stretch out their fuel? For the aerodynamics?

Now it’s nice out so I’m grabbing my cycle for a drive, maybe some one will teach me to drive a stick while I’m out. You arrogant ass!

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This is the talk of people with 44 gallon belch-fire super polluter vehicles. My 10 gallon car will travel further than the belchers.
It is the belch-fire super polluters that force the oil companies to dig deeper for expensive oil.
The Euro's all drive tiny little shoebox cars and they still have to buy oil and gas from Russia.

So I guess it isn't as simple as you think.

I think we will need to keep drilling for oil in this country for at least another generation or two.

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You're old school. The times, they are a'changin.
Even for those who think speeding is some sort of birthright. It's not. Time to use common sense instead of juvenile desires.
Juvenile desires to get from point a to b as quickly as you can, I don't think so. But of course I'm not a Gore hugging, bleeding heart, blame it all on mankind global warming nonsense liberal either.

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litesong wrote:
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This is the talk of people with 44 gallon belch-fire super polluter vehicles. My 10 gallon car will travel further than the belchers.
It is the belch-fire super polluters that force the oil companies to dig deeper for expensive oil. It is the belch-fire super polluters going 85MPH that make children who live, school & play near freeways(what a misnomer) sicker than more fortunate children who are further from freeways.
Nah I don't agree. It was the manufacturers of these behemoths that shoved them down your throat. afterall, the bigger they come, the more profit there is to make off each unit. I drive by my local Ford dealer everday going to work, his bullpen is jammed full of explorers & expeditions collecting dust, poor fellow , he can't even give 'em away at cost now.

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