House passes 20-week abortion ban

There are 6 comments on the Feministing story from Jun 19, 2013, titled House passes 20-week abortion ban. In it, Feministing reports that:

Yesterday evening the House of Representatives passed the "Pain-Capable Unborn Child Protection Act," a ban on legal abortions 20 weeks or more after fertilization based on dubious evidence that fetuses can feel pain during the second trimester.

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“Blessed Be”

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#432 Jul 20, 2013
Deborah wrote:
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Did you overlook the link? McLaughlin and Associates' January 2013 poll of New Yorkers. http://www.mclaughlinonline.com/5
I don't spend enough time on Topix to have seen anyone express an opinion that all pregnancies should end in abortions. You're here a lot; maybe you could provide a link to such a post.
When you can voice even ONE abortion-at-any-time-for-any-r eason exception (including the two I've twice asked you about: abortions on healthy, viable babies and post-birth abortions), then we can begin to take seriously your claim about being "pro-choice."
No, I didn't miss the name in your link. But, that page didn't COME from that site, their polls don't LOOK like that. I asked you where YOU pulled it from? WHICH anti-choice propaganda site was it.

Not only don't their polls look like that, I can find NO polls on their sites with questions on abortion, and if you'd actually bothered to read the damned thing you linked to, the categories not only don't match the questions being asked, there are more columns of numbers than can be accounted for with the categories.

Someone just constructed this out of the whole cloth, from what I can see.

Not only that, it's got nothing to do with anything. It has nothing to do with the questions YOU asked me, which you want to pretend mean something to whether or not I'm pro-choice.

Your desperation is pathetic.
Deborah

Minneapolis, MN

#433 Jul 20, 2013
Ocean56 wrote:
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Last time I checked, Debbie, killing a newborn baby is ILLEGAL. Now that the TX house has passed this draconian 20-week ban, it probably won't be long before the anti-choice male politicians will try banning abortion after only SIX weeks.
I'm wondering how long it will be before some of the more extremists in the TX House will try banning certain forms of contraception too. Some of these goofballs simply can't deal with the idea that motherhood is OPTIONAL, not required, and that a woman DOESN'T have to be a mindless baby producer for the church OR the state.
Go ahead and hypothesize about slippery-slope putative future actions. In the meantime, the facts remain: a resounding majority of Americans find the abortions of viable, healthy babies abhorrent. Haven't seen you or Bitner adding your voices to that majority.

Talking about extremists, let's talk actual realities, not speculative possibilities. Babies born after botched abortions were in fact being "aborted" after the fact, most often by being left to die unattended in some isolated room of a hospital or abortuary. it took a pro-life-initiated Born Alive Infants Protection Act (which Obama voted against three times in the Illinois Senate) to rule out the practice.

And post-birth abortions still continue in unregulated abortuaries (Kermit Gosnell; Texas abortionist Douglas Karpen), while pro-choicers resist popularly supported laws to regulate those abortuaries as other surgical facilities are routinely regulated.
Deborah

Minneapolis, MN

#434 Jul 20, 2013
Bitner wrote:
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No, I didn't miss the name in your link. But, that page didn't COME from that site, their polls don't LOOK like that. I asked you where YOU pulled it from? WHICH anti-choice propaganda site was it.
Not only don't their polls look like that, I can find NO polls on their sites with questions on abortion, and if you'd actually bothered to read the damned thing you linked to, the categories not only don't match the questions being asked, there are more columns of numbers than can be accounted for with the categories.
Someone just constructed this out of the whole cloth, from what I can see.
Not only that, it's got nothing to do with anything. It has nothing to do with the questions YOU asked me, which you want to pretend mean something to whether or not I'm pro-choice.
Your desperation is pathetic.
Here's the Bitnerian position: In all of her 60,000+ posts on Topix, there is no abortion at any time, for any reason, pre or post-birth, that she's willing to condemn as immoral or unjustified.

I've asked several times about ANY abortions you'd disallow. No answer.

To you, "pro-choice" obviously means totally unrestricted abortion. If that open season on preborn and post-born viable, healthy babies is the face of "pro-choice," you're on the extreme that the vast majority of Americans know is a pro-abortion fringe.

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

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#435 Jul 20, 2013
Deborah wrote:
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Did you overlook the link? McLaughlin and Associates' January 2013 poll of New Yorkers. http://www.mclaughlinonline.com/5
I don't spend enough time on Topix to have seen anyone express an opinion that all pregnancies should end in abortions. You're here a lot; maybe you could provide a link to such a post.
When you can voice even ONE abortion-at-any-time-for-any-r eason exception (including the two I've twice asked you about: abortions on healthy, viable babies and post-birth abortions), then we can begin to take seriously your claim about being "pro-choice."
It doesn't matter what YOU "take seriously". I am pro-choice.

No one takes YOU seriously at all.

Since there are no abortions on any babies, nor is there any such thing as a "post birth abortion", such questions HAVE no answers, Drama Queen.

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

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#436 Jul 20, 2013
Deborah wrote:
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Here's the Bitnerian position: In all of her 60,000+ posts on Topix, there is no abortion at any time, for any reason, pre or post-birth, that she's willing to condemn as immoral or unjustified.
I've asked several times about ANY abortions you'd disallow. No answer.
To you, "pro-choice" obviously means totally unrestricted abortion. If that open season on preborn and post-born viable, healthy babies is the face of "pro-choice," you're on the extreme that the vast majority of Americans know is a pro-abortion fringe.
Nope.

To all of us, pro-choice means supporting a woman's right to make her own choice regarding her own uterus and pregnancy.

Just as in the misnamed "pro-life" position, there are differences of opinion on all kinds of aspects, from timing to methods used, to how to reduce the numbers of abortions, but we are all still pro-choice. Deal with it.

Your lies about me are meaningless.

And your melodramatic lies about "post birth abortion" only prove that YOU are part of the anti-choice fringe.

“And the Horse You Rode in On”

Since: Sep 08

Minneapolis

#437 Jul 20, 2013
Deborah wrote:
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Here's the Bitnerian position: In all of her 60,000+ posts on Topix, there is no abortion at any time, for any reason, pre or post-birth, that she's willing to condemn as immoral or unjustified.
I've asked several times about ANY abortions you'd disallow. No answer.
To you, "pro-choice" obviously means totally unrestricted abortion. If that open season on preborn and post-born viable, healthy babies is the face of "pro-choice," you're on the extreme that the vast majority of Americans know is a pro-abortion fringe.
How about you telling us what abortions you would allow?

Or is the Debbieutante positions NO abortion?

You seem to be concerned mainly concerned about later term abortions. How do you feel about first trimester according to RvW, along with certain guidelines as drawn out in RvW? Tell us how you feel??

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