VA clinic employee on leave in scandal

VA clinic employee on leave in scandal

There are 18 comments on the 4029TV.com story from May 10, 2014, titled VA clinic employee on leave in scandal. In it, 4029TV.com reports that:

A growing scandal over the manipulation of health care appointments resulted in an employee at a Wyoming clinic of the Department of Veterans Affairs being placed on administrative leave, VA Secretary Eric Shinseki said Friday.

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Stop Livin Da Stereotypes

Westminster, MD

#1 May 10, 2014
The poop has hit the fan.

But who/what will take care of veterans if you get rid of the VA?

The GOP won't like it if it costs a lot of money.
Viet Nam Veteran

Chillicothe, OH

#2 May 10, 2014
Stop Livin Da Stereotypes wrote:
The poop has hit the fan.
But who/what will take care of veterans if you get rid of the VA?
The GOP won't like it if it costs a lot of money.
Give our veterans a health care card to pay their bills and let them find their own health care where ever they CHOOSE, not just the antiquated VA Healthcare system. Why should our veterans be limited to the third world medicine currently being provided at too many of our VA Medical Centers? Even the VA admits that it is still trying to bring the VA into the 21st century. 14 years and we are still waiting for the VA to catch up, ridiculas.

Since: Mar 09

The Left Coast

#3 May 10, 2014
"administrative leave" in gov-speak means a paid vacation, transfer and a promotion.
Viet Nam Veteran

Chillicothe, OH

#4 May 10, 2014
RustyS wrote:
"administrative leave" in gov-speak means a paid vacation, transfer and a promotion.
You forgot the performance awards. Something that was given to, at least, two administrators AFTER their screwups were discovered. Thats what comes from having the VA's top Administrators covered by the Senior Executive Service. Something started by Jimmy Carter to protect and reward incompetance like we are seeing now in the VA's top ranks. Senator Marco Rubio had already recommended eliminating teh SES even before the latest reports of our nations heros dying while waiting for appointments that were not even scheduled.
Microhut Clowns

Greenfield, IN

#5 May 11, 2014
Viet Nam Veteran wrote:
<quoted text>Give our veterans a health care card to pay their bills and let them find their own health care where ever they CHOOSE, not just the antiquated VA Healthcare system. Why should our veterans be limited to the third world medicine currently being provided at too many of our VA Medical Centers? Even the VA admits that it is still trying to bring the VA into the 21st century. 14 years and we are still waiting for the VA to catch up, ridiculas.
U wanna to travel the World to find the alternative Dr. & med?;)
Microhut Clowns

Greenfield, IN

#6 May 11, 2014
RustyS wrote:
"administrative leave" in gov-speak means a paid vacation, transfer and a promotion.
so-you think gov-hearing is a joke?;-000
The Mad Man

Long Beach, CA

#7 May 11, 2014
Microhut Clowns wrote:
<quoted text>
U wanna to travel the World to find the alternative Dr. & med?;)
I know many years ago when I was diagnosed from the VA about back surgery, the VA doctor said he couldn't guarantee that I would have paralysis. That to me is the sign of an incompetent doctor. I was not going to take that chance. After many doctors, I found an orthopedic surgeon who did my neck (spinal stenosis) and two weeks later, did my back. He told me he did not see any problems with paralysis and could do the back surgery without complications. I liked this doctor and his judgment and how he explained what he was going to do. He showed me from MRI's, xrays and cat scans about my back and what could be done. I had the surgery done with no complications.
I am having back problems again and spoke to my primary care doctor from the VA whom I have know for almost 30 years. He told me to go back to the orthopedic surgeon because he did not know of any surgeon in the VA system that could do my back surgery. They do not have a spine surgeon so to speak.
I will live with what I have so as not to take any more chances of paralysis. Yes I can go back to the orthopedic surgeon but my back problems can wait and I can deal with the pain.
I will not trust any VA doctor to do back surgery!
The Mad Man

Long Beach, CA

#8 May 11, 2014
Microhut Clowns wrote:
<quoted text>
so-you think gov-hearing is a joke?;-000
I see where Shinseki can cover his butt by shredding any related documents and claim he knows nothing about what has happened. He can play dumb all he wants but he has to take responsibility for what has happened to the VA system!!!! He doesn't plan on 'retirement' or taking responsibility for what has happened and I am sure he will get away with it. I have seen this sort of thing locally at my VA where we went through 5 hospital directors in 4 years due to corruption and investigation by the FBI. Of course upper management took no responsibility for what happened at my VA and two clerks were convicted, one got house detention and the other did time at a federal prison (8 months). That's justice?
Sterkfontein Swartkrans

Warrington, PA

#9 May 11, 2014
Our veterans deserve the best state of the art care. They did take pretty good care of my dad. (WW2)

Since: Nov 08

Location hidden

#10 May 12, 2014
Is this what Obamacare will turn into? No thank you. Not for my children.
The Mad Man

Long Beach, CA

#11 May 12, 2014
Sterkfontein Swartkrans wrote:
Our veterans deserve the best state of the art care. They did take pretty good care of my dad.(WW2)
Thank you for your appreciation. It's nice to hear.
Viet Nam Veteran

Chillicothe, OH

#12 May 12, 2014
Microhut Clowns wrote:
<quoted text>
U wanna to travel the World to find the alternative Dr. & med?;)
I don't have to travel the world to find an alternative Doctor. All I have to do is wait until my next VA appointment. I rarely see the same Doctor two times in a row and three out of 4 have been foreign born. The VA is a fine example of how much international aid this country provides, just look at all of the foreigners it employees.
The Mad Man

Long Beach, CA

#13 May 12, 2014
Viet Nam Veteran wrote:
<quoted text>I don't have to travel the world to find an alternative Doctor. All I have to do is wait until my next VA appointment. I rarely see the same Doctor two times in a row and three out of 4 have been foreign born. The VA is a fine example of how much international aid this country provides, just look at all of the foreigners it employees.
Understandable. Remember, they still have to report to the head of the clinic, so it would benefit you to get to know that doctor. He/she is the one who is 'supposed' to know your case history and that is the one who you need to benefit from. I know my primary care doctor for 30 years, send him birthday cards and he knows my medical history inside out. He also tell me 'off the cuff'' information and has attended all the medical conventions but I have never had a problem seeing my doctor. When he is away, he arranges his clinic appointments to see all his patients before he leaves and he has a tight schedule, especially with training interns, but he gets the job done and tells me what to expect. He has a true care for his patients. Because of him, my health is better but surgically the VA cannot do anything for me because they don't have a back surgeon. That I have to get done on the outside 'out of pocket'.
bitsnpieces1

Gainesville, FL

#14 May 12, 2014
I have had a new pcp every three to four years with the same "Doctor" in charge. My thing is I don't believe I have EVER SEEN my "doctor" in eleven years of going to the VA.
The Mad Man wrote:
<quoted text>
Understandable. Remember, they still have to report to the head of the clinic, so it would benefit you to get to know that doctor. He/she is the one who is 'supposed' to know your case history and that is the one who you need to benefit from. I know my primary care doctor for 30 years, send him birthday cards and he knows my medical history inside out. He also tell me 'off the cuff'' information and has attended all the medical conventions but I have never had a problem seeing my doctor. When he is away, he arranges his clinic appointments to see all his patients before he leaves and he has a tight schedule, especially with training interns, but he gets the job done and tells me what to expect. He has a true care for his patients. Because of him, my health is better but surgically the VA cannot do anything for me because they don't have a back surgeon. That I have to get done on the outside 'out of pocket'.
The Mad Man

Long Beach, CA

#15 May 12, 2014
bitsnpieces1 wrote:
I have had a new pcp every three to four years with the same "Doctor" in charge. My thing is I don't believe I have EVER SEEN my "doctor" in eleven years of going to the VA.
<quoted text>
Do some research, get his/her name, look them up on line or ask around at your VA about this doctor. The rest is up to you.

“Happiness comes through giving”

Since: Feb 08

Location hidden

#16 May 12, 2014
Viet Nam Veteran wrote:
<quoted text>Give our veterans a health care card to pay their bills and let them find their own health care where ever they CHOOSE, not just the antiquated VA Healthcare system. Why should our veterans be limited to the third world medicine currently being provided at too many of our VA Medical Centers? Even the VA admits that it is still trying to bring the VA into the 21st century. 14 years and we are still waiting for the VA to catch up, ridiculas.
Not a bad idea, but how could a better quality of healthcare be assured for veterans with a health care card? Would doctors and hospitals have to be mandated to honor it? Would the card have a specific monetary value? I think yours is a good idea, but implementation would not be as simple as you suggest.

I think our veterans deserve the best quality healthcare available. Maybe if we stopped sending so many of our young people to war, there would be fewer people to take care of.

“Happiness comes through giving”

Since: Feb 08

Location hidden

#17 May 12, 2014
Eighthman wrote:
Is this what Obamacare will turn into? No thank you. Not for my children.
If you have children, they're in enough trouble already.

Just for any eavesdroppers, only a brain dead life form like Eighthman would seek to connect The VA fiasco with Obamacare. This shoddy excuse for medical care has been going on for many years now, and of course has nothing to do with Obama.
If one wants to blame someone, blame George W. Bush, who gave the VA medical system more than it could handle.
Viet Nam Veteran

Chillicothe, OH

#18 May 13, 2014
Lawrence Wolf wrote:
<quoted text>Not a bad idea, but how could a better quality of healthcare be assured for veterans with a health care card? Would doctors and hospitals have to be mandated to honor it? Would the card have a specific monetary value? I think yours is a good idea, but implementation would not be as simple as you suggest.
I think our veterans deserve the best quality healthcare available. Maybe if we stopped sending so many of our young people to war, there would be fewer people to take care of.
Mandated NO, I would not want to force anyone to provide me treatment but the cards would be guaranteed by the US government with no co-pay or deductable. As long as we can provide guaranteed healthcare to illegal aliens, I think we should be able to do that for our veterans. Out of a 160 BILLION dollar budget, the VA has paid out 200 MILLION dollars to settle just 1000 wrongful death allegations. How many more were there that were never recognized nor had claims filed?

Seek out and support the "Veterans Against the Veterans Administration" (VAVS). At the very least, listen to their message.

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